Hence what it feels as though Brady is being railroaded here.
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Hence what it feels as though Brady is being railroaded here.
Ah my bad, switched home and road there.
Brady got railroaded because he called the NFL liars and dared them to come after him. The kickers never held a press conference declaring their innocence.
Brady appears to be a sanctimonious ass in this situation, and is getting himself lit up by the NFL because he was one.
Yeah with false or sensationalised information and controlled leaks.
We definitely agree there.
He held a press conference to defend himself after the NFL purposely leaked lies about the situation. So he's right. They are liars. Goodell even lied again last month when he said Brady claimed to have never talked to the equipment guys about the situation. That's not sanctimonious. That's called defending yourself.
CassidyIzABeast
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He lied in Canton. When asked why the NFL did nothing about the tweet his 5th and 6th words were "Independent investigation" after saying it was not independent!
Tom without makeup.
Oh come, that's like the worst fucking drawing ever. He doesn't even look human in that picture. Its her job to draw and she sucks at it apparently. I suck at drawing but I don't make it my occupation.
He said he was "completely innocent". Once he said that it went from defending to sanctimony. Brady also flat out lied about why he destroyed the phone. (Kessler admitted today it was directly in response to the Wells request)
He pissed off the commissioner without being as pure as the driven snow. As anyone can tell you - the NFL will unload on you at that point. Those press conferences during the SB were a bad idea.
Orly?
In this thread i heard it's just a normal thing celebrities do and had nothing to do with the request. I learned lots of amazing facts in this thread.
I didn't hear anything about this - you got a link?
Alligatorjandro
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Goodell said he wouldn't punish him for not giving up the phone then he punished him for not giving up the phone.
Goodell lied.
Goodell lied.
Roberto Duran
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I'm interested in this. Do you happen to have the transcript?
"The judge also questioned why Brady destroyed his cellphone in the midst of the inquiry -- a move that the league argues was further proof of his deception. Kessler claimed that the quarterback got rid of the phone on the advice of his agent to protect his privacy but had otherwise cooperated with the inquiry. However, in hindsight, "You're right, it could have been done a different way,'' the lawyer said of the phone."
Basically his agent told him to destroy the phone due to "privacy fears". It was not some regularly scheduled destruction schedule. Even Kessler admitted that Brady messed up on the cooperation part. The judge is smartly setting up a compromise where Brady is punished at a reduce rate for non-cooperation but doesn't have to admit guilt.
Was also part of the tweeting that the ny daily news reporter did iirc.
Basically his agent told him to destroy the phone due to "privacy fears". It was not some regularly scheduled destruction schedule. Even Kessler admitted that Brady messed up on the cooperation part. The judge is smartly setting up a compromise where Brady is punished at a reduce rate for non-cooperation but doesn't have to admit guilt.
Was also part of the tweeting that the ny daily news reporter did iirc.
I could've sworn you were on my list also. I'll get you next time Spinluck!
Uhh, he routinely destroys phones, this statement in no way contradicts what has been said.
Yeah this. Tom Brady is a millionaire celebrity pro football player. Imagine what's on his damn cell phone. I'd destroy that shit too. It's ridiculous he had to hand it over anyways since the NFL already had the texts! It's a ridiculous invasion of privacy.
What? No. What they're saying is that he isn't following what was agreed to, not that what was agreed to isn't valid.
There are specific requirements laid out in the CBA that were not followed.
Skellig Gra
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Sorry but you have no taste.
http://deadspin.com/the-full-story-of-tom-bradys-destroyed-cell-phone-1722190784
They didn't even want the cell phone. They just wanted someone from Brady's side to run a search on the cell phone and provide the returns (a search they ran on other cell phones just fine but not the phone used during the time of period of investigation).
He told the commish it was just coincidental timing. Kessler admitted that it was not. The privacy concerns are legit; but lying (or obfuscating) about the "coincidence" is a bad look.
Agreed, inconsistencies like this poke holes in a persons credibility
People are acting like they wanted to access every inch of his phone.
I am too young and fast for you.
I am too young and fast for you.
Brady has talked about deflategate twice - once at the Patriots press conference the day after mortensen infamous tweet "11 of 12 balls 2 psi under" and his facebook statement the day after Goodell upheld the suspension. In both scenarios Brady claimed his innocence, which apparently if i understand what you are saying is enough to annoy the NFL.
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He didn't have to give his phone and was told he wouldn't be punished for it.
Brady told the commish per Wells that the phone being recycled at the time was coincidence. Kessler said it was due to privacy fears because of Wells.
I didn't read it that way, but regardless of his reasons, it should in no way be reason for a suspension.
Roger Goodell being super petty and super vengeful? NEVER. This has never had anything to do with the integrity of the game. It was Brady calling out Goodell; Goodell getting pissed, Brady probably being guilty (which is all Goodell needs), and Goodell laying down a pissed off hammer.
I mean; this was the natural consequence of the NFL fan base believing the NFL was full of thugs / needing to be put in "line" in the early 2000s. They wanted Harvey dent and they got Harvey Dent.
Liar.
I am curious how/when did Brady "call out Goodell"?
He dared raise his voice in protest.
I'm only being slightly sarcastic. Commish doesn't take well to players speaking up. Welcome to the NFL and NBA (pre Adam silver)
DrForester
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The phone is just a red herring. Seeing all the stuff the Patriots and Brady, there was no reason to need that phone.
Of course it was, it was mentioned more times in Goodell's statement than the word deflate - if i remember correctly 'destroyed' was mentioned 17 times while 'deflate' was mentioned 5 times.
So something that's not clear to me. I've read multiple times that brady's texts were recovered and basically consistent with what was on Mcnally and JJs phones. (outside of 3 texts post superbowl, and apparently were recovered from other phones anyways) Why would he allow that to happen if he really didn't want to give up the texts?
Weren't those 3 texts on JJs phone? And that was also after the story broke, would he really text about it after the drop?
A) no
B) it was also the several months BEFORE the colts game that was on the phone that was destroyed.
Yeah, the "Deflator" text occurred 8 months before the AFC championship game. They weren't even in preseason yet.
I'm saying those 3 texts that were missing were post superbowl were they not? I'm not arguing I'm trying to understand that's just what I've read.
edit- I'm saying weren't a lot of the texts from that destroyed phone recovered?
editedit- I'm refering to this article on
"Brady was able to obtain a log of all his phone calls and text messages, and since he had not changed phone numbers, this included calls and messages during the mysterious four-month gap. These were cross-referenced against communications listed in the Wells Report, and for the most part (with the exception of three missing texts) they matched, as Wells was given access to both Jastremski and McNally’s Patriots-supplied work phones. This is one of Brady’s strongest arguments that there are no missing damaging text messages: since Wells had access to Jastremski and McNally’s side of any damning conversations with Brady, why did he need Brady’s messages?
Of course, Wells wasn’t solely looking for Brady’s communication with Jastremski and McNally, but also whether he had used a variety of deflation-related terms with anybody else. And as pointed out in the NFL’s questioning of Brady, there are also three texts exchanged with Jastremski on February 7 that do not appear in the Wells Report"
http://deadspin.com/the-full-story-of-tom-bradys-destroyed-cell-phone-1722190784
Wrong text being referred to. Please understand wtf you are talking about first.
http://deadspin.com/the-full-story-of-tom-bradys-destroyed-cell-phone-1722190784
The three post SB were never recovered from any side. The bigger issue would be if he texted anyone else about it. He could have told an assistant to tell mcnally and jas; and they would never find it. Only the texts to JJ and McNally could be seen for content; he got the log of the messages from that phone; not what was sent in the messages themselves.
Wrong. They got a log of who he sent text messages to and called at certain times; but the actual content of the messages were not in the log. Only McNally and JJ's side of the texts could be read and that is because those two had NFL given phones that had been secured.
There's a lot of speculation at play, but it does add credence to the idea that he covered up information.
This is wtf I'm talking about. Regardless, they still found nothing from any of the phones and their argument (even mentioned in court today) is that Brady's complicity was due to the term "Deflator" being used.
Fact is, there is no evidence that Brady was involved. None. There's a lot of circumstantial stuff, but that's it. Hell, if the equipment guy did deflate the balls, the ideal gas law still would've occurred and the balls would've been even more (obviously) deflated. Their PSI was in line with what would be expected under normal circumstances and none of this "missing texts" or "destroyed" cell phone talk can prove otherwise.
The deflator text has nothing to do with the three missing texts.
Unfortunately for Brady; this isn't a court of law. There's no standard of incontrovertible proof. Wells report even said it. The commissioners powers don't require it. Circumstantial evidence is just fine. It's how they suspended Big Ben. It's how they suspend a lot of players they can't get 100% proof for. It's how they suspended Sean Payton for a year. No different now.
Also; the misuse of the ideal gas law is hilarious. The loss isn't instantaneous and is based on the containing material - and that's the part of the science everyone forgets. If it were; the colts balls would have similarly deflated in the same period of time. But they didn't.
Actually if the stadium was a different temp the pats balls are fine but the colts were over inflated.
Course no one really took notice what temp the stadium was at. Because there's barely any evidence in the first place.
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