more or less sickening than the rabid Pats haters blindly cheering on Roger fucking Goodell and the NFL?
Tom Brady's Suspension Appeal News
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more or less sickening than the rabid Pats haters blindly cheering on Roger fucking Goodell and the NFL?
DrForester
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Well, it's not as if there was another case of a team tampering with ball conditions in the season we could compare it to. Oh wait, there was, and they weren't punished.
Only the weak minded so easily influenced by childish desires to look at everything in the context of teams and who lack the self awareness to recognize this fact.
Spectral Glider
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The only thing on the table was Brady's suspension. Reducing it or it not reducing had no bearing on the fine the Pats received.
TheLostBigBoss
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I don't know why you people try to talk to eachother.
It's literally the definition of talking to a brick wall.
Both sides are entrenched, with mostly pre-conceived notions. One side uses their evidence and testimony and the other side uses testimony that attempts to discredit others.
Same shit happened in the original thread when the suspension came down, why are the same people contining to fight it out when it's clear there is no point?
People can point to spygate and say a history of cheating. Others can point to the facts of the time that point to none of the major allegations of taping practices ever actually existed, or that stealing signals is still legal.
Both sides use the arguments and nobody budges.
It's literally the definition of talking to a brick wall.
Both sides are entrenched, with mostly pre-conceived notions. One side uses their evidence and testimony and the other side uses testimony that attempts to discredit others.
Same shit happened in the original thread when the suspension came down, why are the same people contining to fight it out when it's clear there is no point?
People can point to spygate and say a history of cheating. Others can point to the facts of the time that point to none of the major allegations of taping practices ever actually existed, or that stealing signals is still legal.
Both sides use the arguments and nobody budges.
A lone voice of reason in New England.
This is the idiot who said the Red Sox kept losing because some fat guy went to the Yankees a hundred years prior.
Team Alucard
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This whole ordeal will make one hell of a 30 for 30 in the future
"What if I told you that a minor drop in PSI could cause the collapse of an empire?"
"What if I told you that a minor drop in PSI could cause the collapse of an empire?"
so what exactly is the current situation? Brady is denying he destroyed it, just that it was broken and he bought a new phone?
Why does Goddell say it was destroyed and what is his evidence?
The league told them to suspend them.
ramuh
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The league also suspended tom brady, doesn't mean they would have to oblige them. Still doesn't answer why they wouldn't let them be interviewed.
They were interviewed. You should probably read what happened.
For the headline win. Brady's lawyers and the NFLPA had already knew that Brady would never end up physically handing his cell phone over to anyone. The precendent it would set alone would be insane. Goodell decided to use Brady's inability to produce the phone (he was never gonna see) as part of the reason to uphold his original ruling. It's the same as when the NFL said 11 out of the 12 Patriots football were 2 PSI lower, which was completely false.
Fenderputty
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I just heard toms lawyer on the radio comment on this very aspect.
The NFL is claiming that Brady destroyed his phone, Brady states that he informed the NFL they would not have any access to his phone and then replaced it as it was damaged.
What is also interesting to note is that the NFL statement mentions "destroyed" no less than 17 times, more times than the word deflate is used (5 times), which is interesting since this whole debacle is about illegal deflating footballs.
Brady's team state (which is also mentioned in the NFL statement) that they provided the NFL with data (contact information and time) of all the people Brady communicated via text (but not the content of the texts), and that the onus is on the league to determine which texts they are interested in and to seek out those individuals for said communication. The NFL responded with that is too burdensome and that Brady needs to hand over his phone or provide the relevant texts.
The 2 equipment people were interviewed - McNally was interviewed 3 times by the NFL and once by Wells'. The story here is that Patriots counsel had agreed with Wells that each person would only be interviewed once and any follow-up interview would be due to new information. Wells demanded a second interview but would not explain why, Patriots counsel would not oblige unless Wells provided the reason. Turns out that Wells had all the text messages in their possession but had overlooked a few and wanted a second interview to address those.
The equipment guys were suspended, as I understand, as requested by the NFL.
CrocMother
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Listening to Bill Pollian on the radio, the NFL didn't even ask Brady for his phone. They just requested that his lawyer provide them with any relevant text messages.
I don't understand the NFL's motivation behind first pursuing this situation (seeing how quickly they resolved the Vikings/Panthers issue earlier in the season) and now doubling down on their mistake. That's the weirdest part.
Why the witch hunt on the most accomplished player in the league?
Why the witch hunt on the most accomplished player in the league?
Can't wait for this to go to trial. The NFL is totally screwed in my opinion. They have no precedent for suspending someone four games for supposed ball manipulation. They didn't even have proper ball handling rules until a few days ago. I'd say maybe 1 game or just a fine or absolutely nothing.
If you read the NFL's report it reads like a joke. NFL should have suspended Brady for 2 games. He probably would have accepted that. 4 is monumentally ridiculous. It's like fining Brady 4 million dollars when the biggest fine ever handed out for ball manipulation was 25k I believe.
If you read the NFL's report it reads like a joke. NFL should have suspended Brady for 2 games. He probably would have accepted that. 4 is monumentally ridiculous. It's like fining Brady 4 million dollars when the biggest fine ever handed out for ball manipulation was 25k I believe.
Goodell probably wants a W on his record after taking all those L's last season
But it's obvious at even a cursory glance that, at best, the Patriots committed a minor equipment violation. Why is Goodell mounting a six+ month investigation when they immediately doled out a small fine for the same infraction earlier in the season?
It makes no sense.
Goodell is hired by the owners. He represents their interests. I think if he was independent of their opinions things would be different. But as it stands I think he's just responding to people behind the scenes.
do you see all of the reactions in this thread? people are now cheering on goodell and the NFL for punishing the Pats instead of clowning them for the incompetence they displayed all last season and prior.
Then how come the league didn't make a big deal about what the Vikings/Panthers did? Or have real guidelines in place for measuring balls? This wasn't a big deal for them until they think the Patriots did it.
There's no evidence the league thought ball manipulation threatened the integrity of the game until after the AFC title game.
I don't like the patriots (Dolphin fan so I hated them even when they were bad) but this is just getting insane.
I think Brady and the patriots could of handled this better (not saying they are guilty but some actions/choice of words has kept speculation going) but a 4 game suspension and the penalty to the team is insanely high. Hit Brady with 50k fine and let Brady challenge it outside the limelight.
NFL needs to hire a right hand man next to goodell that is versed in the Union agreement and could break things down in an easy to understand method for the general public. I'm talking along the lines of how long can a player be suspended for actions outside of the regulation of football and other factors that people seem to rush to judgement about. Random number but I believe the percent of people that read the entire investigation plus knows the ins and outs of the union agreement is low.
After that the NFL needs to work with the union and make a base punishment chart for any criminal or league violation they can think of so a standard is set and people can understand the general range of punishment a player will get for said violation. Once this is established they need to make this public and show some transparency.
Big issue is that people are still going to watch the NFL ( I'm guilty of it ) so why change when you are still racking in the monies.
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R: Change and establish rules to save face.
I think Brady and the patriots could of handled this better (not saying they are guilty but some actions/choice of words has kept speculation going) but a 4 game suspension and the penalty to the team is insanely high. Hit Brady with 50k fine and let Brady challenge it outside the limelight.
NFL needs to hire a right hand man next to goodell that is versed in the Union agreement and could break things down in an easy to understand method for the general public. I'm talking along the lines of how long can a player be suspended for actions outside of the regulation of football and other factors that people seem to rush to judgement about. Random number but I believe the percent of people that read the entire investigation plus knows the ins and outs of the union agreement is low.
After that the NFL needs to work with the union and make a base punishment chart for any criminal or league violation they can think of so a standard is set and people can understand the general range of punishment a player will get for said violation. Once this is established they need to make this public and show some transparency.
Big issue is that people are still going to watch the NFL ( I'm guilty of it ) so why change when you are still racking in the monies.
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R: Change and establish rules to save face.As this thread demonstrates, the majority of the NFL fan base eats it up. It's likely little more than a cynical PR exercise, and people are tripping over themselves just to be part of it.
The other 31 owners putting the screws to Goodell and forcing him to enforce his shitty investigation.
DrForester
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Pretty much, and Goodell wanted to show he was tough on something, and being tough on wife beaters isn't something he was prepared to do. So he decided to launch this huge investigation over a violation that MIGHT have occurred, despite only giving a warning to two teams that had similar violations that DID occur.
1. Spygate.
2. Owners thinks Goodell is too buddy buddy with Kraft.
3. Kraft is influential but one of 32 owners, and the owners are his boss.
4. This is revenge for the stuff that went on the Ravens/Pats game, Bisciotti is one of the driving forces behind this and the one who gave the Colts the heads up about the Pats and deflategate.
wasn't it implied that it was a vocal minority of the owners putting pressure on goodell?
I love scheddenfreud as much as the next guy, I just don't understand the NFL's motivation.
A 6+ month investigation because the Ravens didn't know formation rules!?
Goodell needs to go.
The aforementioned game was not two teams trying to cheat. They were obviously unaware of the rules and were reprimanded and warned as such. The Pats/Brady have been systematically deflating balls for at a minimum of the entirety of the last year (from the texts), probably longer by the empirical evidence (fumbling rates).
There was no guideline for measuring the footballs, because the league actually trusted the teams to not tamper with the balls. A mistake when the Pats are involved, obviously.
Yes, but they have the support of the other owners as well.
PR! They look good right now to a lot of paying customers who don't care about evidence or logical reasoning.
Oh, not the fumbling rates thing again. Ahahahahaha
Brady said read the rulebook afterwards. It's tit per tat.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...legal-plays-tom-brady-says-study-the-rulebook
Do we have confirmation of that. I have not had any evidence that Stephen Ross wants the punishment and pittsburg recently said they want Brady in the game against them.
The NFL has concrete rules for everything (including sock height!) but not ball measurement. You really think they'd just let teams police themselves if the league thought it damaged the integrity of the game?
nah, you mean they never gave a shit until it was convenient to do so
CitizenCope
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Don't be a hypocrite, no drafting of Brady or Gronk on your fantasy teams.
Yet for some reason they didn't deflate the footballs for the Jets game at home (according to the text messages in the Wells report) and would only be able to deflate footballs duing home games (again according to the Wells report).
It's more of a get in line thing for Kraft and the Pats.
Recall what happened to the Cowboys and Redskins (and please note that I'm a NY Giants fan so I'm predisposed to hate them). They absolutely got screwed with the salary cap violations a couple years back as it was a clear violation of the cba, and the only reason they ate it was because the other owners forced them to eat it.
Some of you people should start a Fox News Sports channel. It's just a giant liberal conspiracy!
They didn't think it would damage the integrity of the game until it did. Obviously.
Do you think that the league was running a long con on the Patriots or something? Ooh, we'll give them this opportunity to cheat and then watch them do it!
They didn't think it would damage the integrity of the game until it did. Obviously.
Do you think that the league was running a long con on the Patriots or something? Ooh, we'll give them this opportunity to cheat and then watch them do it!
Not at all. I genuinely have no idea why the league is doing this. I can't wrap my head around it. Wouldn't they have implemented a league-wide policy after the Vikings incident if they thought it really mattered?
lol like this would ever happen
It wasn't a big deal until Mortensen's tweet. That is when the story got momentum. Interesting to note that the NFL never did correct or deny that tweet even though it was completely false.
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