Same VA (Mela Lee).
Toonami |Oct/Nov/Dec16| A Bacchanalia of Blood
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One Piece time.
Finally, a recap of something awesome.
Sooooooooooo Nami & Perona gonna team up & be the Treasure Sisters? I smell a spin-off.
loooolllllllllll Nami's reaction to Oars
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA EVERYONE'S REACTION TO OARS
oh god tactics 15 again & Robin's expression
OH GOD, SANJI'S EXPRESSION "now that I've stop to think about my sweet Robin docking" FUNIMATION KNNNEEEEEWWWWW
this episode has been so damn hilarious, it reminds me why I was so into One Piece as a kid, when the humor is on point, it's great.
MY GOD, IT'S..........that dude from the Pirate Warriors games! MENANCING INTENSIFIES
"the best vacation to take....is with Jesus at Bible Camp"
OH GOD, THE ULTIMATE BITCH SLAP?!?!
What is it with giant people & being rather fast in this series?
ooohhh noooo, what a surprise, even though I figured it was the shadow from the earlier shot
Ya know, this was a pretty solid week of Toonami. Jojo was getting more into its groove, HxH is starting its major stuff, IBO had a rather good episode finally, & OP was hilarious and had some great "OH SHIT" moments in the second half.
Finally, a recap of something awesome.
Sooooooooooo Nami & Perona gonna team up & be the Treasure Sisters? I smell a spin-off.
loooolllllllllll Nami's reaction to Oars
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA EVERYONE'S REACTION TO OARS
oh god tactics 15 again & Robin's expression
OH GOD, SANJI'S EXPRESSION "now that I've stop to think about my sweet Robin docking" FUNIMATION KNNNEEEEEWWWWW
this episode has been so damn hilarious, it reminds me why I was so into One Piece as a kid, when the humor is on point, it's great.
MY GOD, IT'S..........that dude from the Pirate Warriors games! MENANCING INTENSIFIES
"the best vacation to take....is with Jesus at Bible Camp"
OH GOD, THE ULTIMATE BITCH SLAP?!?!
What is it with giant people & being rather fast in this series?
ooohhh noooo, what a surprise, even though I figured it was the shadow from the earlier shot
Ya know, this was a pretty solid week of Toonami. Jojo was getting more into its groove, HxH is starting its major stuff, IBO had a rather good episode finally, & OP was hilarious and had some great "OH SHIT" moments in the second half.
I've got some chores to do first but I'll get to it soon.
MG with that time to plan.
RadioHeadAche
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ShinRPGamer
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Well it's not dislike bombed to oblivion so...there's that.
It looks SOOOO close to being good, but something still feels....off....but I can't put my finger on it....
It looks like it's trying to remake the first film (& I'm also hearing they're taking a few things from the 2nd film), based on some of those scenes. But then it seems to not do so for some parts, like "Hanka Robotics". I don't recall that, plus they said it seems to be inspired by the episode "Affection" from 2nd Gig, so........it's combining both movies & the TV series into one?
At the very least, visually, it certainly has the style down & rather close to how I'd imagine the world of GitS in real life.....well maybe aside from Batou's eyes, they look a bit off.
I'm still a little unsure.
Considering how complex GitS can get, it'll be a little weird that out of all the anime live-action hollywood versions, THIS is the one that turns out to be the most "faithful" & most liked.
Like, Hollywood somehow screwed up DRAGON BALL, a rather simple series when you get down to it.
Like, Hollywood somehow screwed up DRAGON BALL, a rather simple series when you get down to it.
BassForever
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I feel the most you know of GitS the most hesitant your are to the 2017 film actually being good. Will be interesting to see if general audiences love it and hardcore fans hate it.
Either that or Power Rangers.
Then again, the hardcore fans seem to like it, the most hate I've seen is GAF and /m/
I'm kind of in the middle. I haven't seen the films, seen.....most of the TV series, I think, and watched that Arise film but was completely confused.
It's a series I always felt I would like because of its presentation & setting, but never really "clicked" with me.
It's a series I always felt I would like because of its presentation & setting, but never really "clicked" with me.
On one hand, I believe adaptations are allowed to be flexible and deviate from source material however they choose, as long as the creator approved of giving the adapters the reins in the first place. (I also think, generally, people are too quick to enshrine what is original.)
Of course, that also means people are free to criticize whatever choices are made in the adaptation. Criticisms should, if possible, be thorough and not just noting what is different and what is not.
As for the casting of new GitS movie, they have the creative freedom to tweak character traits or whatnot. I mostly find it to big a huge missed opportunity. Here's a perfect place to cast an Asian woman (or someone of Asian descent) in a rare lead role and they just skip over the chance.
Of course, that also means people are free to criticize whatever choices are made in the adaptation. Criticisms should, if possible, be thorough and not just noting what is different and what is not.
As for the casting of new GitS movie, they have the creative freedom to tweak character traits or whatnot. I mostly find it to big a huge missed opportunity. Here's a perfect place to cast an Asian woman (or someone of Asian descent) in a rare lead role and they just skip over the chance.
BassForever
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I dunno if its a similar situation to Dr Strange but the reason for white washing the ancient one was that it would likely be banned in China which is like $100 million being left off the table. I dunno if a Japanese actor has the same restrictions in the lead but hollywood has to thing much larger scale then what we might like.
Action scenes starring live action people who are supposed to be superpowered tend too look super weird.
It's really sad, but Zack Snyder might be one of the best directors for live action scenes right now. It's a shame he can't create a coherent story.
Anyway, GiTS looks cool, still looks too Hollywood for me too enjoy.
It's really sad, but Zack Snyder might be one of the best directors for live action scenes right now. It's a shame he can't create a coherent story.
Anyway, GiTS looks cool, still looks too Hollywood for me too enjoy.
Guys I've already taken 20 screencaps in my rewatch of this HxH episode and i'm less than 5 minutes in, this post is goign to be a nightmare
I think this is a case where this isn't a movie that can be made super cheap, so they needed either a well-known franchise (this isn't) or a bankable star in order to get this movie made. Scarlett Johannsen, even if you remove the Marvel movies from her resume, has had some really successful movies under her belt in the Sci-fi genera- did you know Lucy made almost $500 million worldwide? I wouldn't be surprised if that exact role and film preformance weren't part of the pitch to studios to get this movie made.
Zack Snyder directs great Music Videos. He can't direct movies and has no idea how to adapt things with respect
I think this is a case where this isn't a movie that can be made super cheap, so they needed either a well-known franchise (this isn't) or a bankable star in order to get this movie made. Scarlett Johannsen, even if you remove the Marvel movies from her resume, has had some really successful movies under her belt in the Sci-fi genera- did you know Lucy made almost $500 million worldwide? I wouldn't be surprised if that exact role and film preformance weren't part of the pitch to studios to get this movie made.
Zack Snyder directs great Music Videos. He can't direct movies and has no idea how to adapt things with respect
This is the episode we just watched or the next one?
The one we just watched!
Including stuff in the opening and ending, there are a lot of things I loved about it
Sin City and 300 weren't terrible adaptations, and Watchmen is gonna be impossible translate to film
He cannot direct a story though
Unspeakable Evil
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I suddenly wanna play a HxH rpg
Oh god yeah. How come nobody tried to make one when the 2011 anime was on?
Or how about a Diamond is Unbreakable RPG? It'd be a little like Costume Quest, small scale.
Yep. It is the odds like in Horse Racing. 2:1 odds means you get double your bet if your horse wins and 1.5:1 means you only get 1 and a half of the payout if it wins. Basically it means the lower the number the more favored the candidate it is to win. Casinos use similar systems when determining payouts for their games.
Side note: it is also why craps is one of the best games to play at the casino if you wanted to make a little something back.
Hellwarden
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The whitewashing issue aside, the live action GITS movie hasn't really given me a reason to want to go see it, even as a big fan of GITS. It's really emphasizing key iconic moments from the series (also seemingly bringing back a villain from the series), but I don't want the film to be like the animated works. I would much rather it try to be its own take on the series rather than retread what has already been done. Some would argue that GITS series already does a lot of retreading, but I think each entry, good or bad, has its own feel. I look at the movie trailer, and feel like my time would be better spent watching better entries.
There's a Part 3 RPG called the 7th Stand User, and some people are working on a sequel set during DiU.
(it contains spoilers and references to most of the parts, though, so talk about it in the manga thread)
I know there's an official Stardust Crusaders RPG released for the Super Famicom, got a fan translation a while ago.
Had no idea about that fan game though. I'll look into it.
I'm in the library right now so I can't watch the trailer but to comment on this, I think there has been more than enough evidence in the last few years that star power itself can't salvage a project. Remember the recent Ben-Hur movie? Or that Gods of Egypt film? Or John Carter? There is also the feedback loop that if you can only use big-name actors to sell a project than anyone who isn't already a big name actor will have a hard time breaking through regardless of their talent and never become big name themselves. Only the big names get chances and stay big names and the unknowns never or rarely get breaks. That leaves you with a small club of "big names" that are only getting older and older.
That's putting aside that they may want to find a way to reign in budgets so they can take some bigger risks. Even factoring the costs of effects and stuff like that, not every movie was better in the end chasing the 100 million+ blockbuster model over something more modest. How much was the budget for Lucy? How much is the budget for GITS?
Again, I haven't seen the latest GITS trailer so maybe its heading in the right direction but often times the "logic" of Hollywood executives is narrow or too short term or just faulty.
Doctor Decimate
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I think some of the visuals are nice but seeing so many classic GITS scenes recreated feels odd. I think there's a bit of a balancing act with homage and reference where you can easily let those things overtake a project and betray the lack of a unique personal vision, and that's what it feels like seeing the Major on a building, cloaked in the water, being built to that same music.
On the other hand, the concept of this thing has had a rocky reception so those are exactly the scenes you'd pick out to put in a trailer to try to show people it's still Ghost in the Shell so who knows.
Even if we accept the star power argument for a moment here, they originally went after Margot Robbie for the role. They were going for a white actress from the start regardless of how big a name she was.
BassForever
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That's why I mentioned the china element since thats actually a tangible reason as to why a character may be white washed. Like you said all those movies bombed regardless of star power so its probably better they were white washed last thing you need is a film like gods of egypt having an authentic cast and bombing even harder. If gits bombs I don't think it'll be because of white washing the cast or because its not faithful/too faithful to the movie/manga/anime/etc it'll likely be due to bad marketing which seems to be the ultimate factor to if films are big or not.
Lucy had a budger of $40 million, we don't know gits budger costs afaik.
Ben Hur is a remake (and who of any note was in that movie?), John Carter was such an epic disaster that a book was written about it, and Gods of Egypt was a weird case where even though the budget was $140 million, the studio only had a $10 million dollar stake in the film, because Australlia paid them almost half the film budget in tax breaks. Lucy was a movie made for $40 million, and we have no idea what the budget for GITS is yet, but based on the trailer, I don't think this was a cheap movie. I don't think it's a stretch to say that this movie with this budget would be getting made if Scarlet wasn't attached to it. If you look back at her last 5 years or so of staring roles in movies, everything was either a massive hit (a half dozen marvel movies, Lucy), small budget films that either made bank (Don Juan made 40 million on a 4 million budget) or were critical darlings (2013's Her was nominated for Best Picture). The only blemish is Hail Ceaser- an ensamble cast she was 5th on the billing of, made by famous directors (The Coen Brothers), which only managed to make $60 million on a $20 million budget. She is a big star who you can sell better to studios than a likely unknown asian actress.
I'm all for seeing better representation in Hollywood, but just a few days ago Donald Trump was elected president of the United States partially because his opponent was a Woman.
A) Yeah the stuff with the Ancient One was super unfortunate and it seemed clear to me Marvel was fucked no matter what it did. I agree with you in that's all on China not on Marvel.
B) Maybe I'm naive but I would like to think we have been moving away from execs blaming the ethnicity/diversity of a cast for a movie's failure rather than how good those specific actors were, the direction, the marketing, the plot, etc? I think its very true that in the past Hollywood was more willing to give certain actors more chances to "prove" themselves (i.e. fail without being regulated to the B or lower list) but I think they are moving away from that? Again, I could just be naive in this circumstance.
C) Woah Lucy was made for only that much? That's less than I expected. I feel a good GITS movie is something that you should be able to make without breaking the bank. Like if you can do Lucky for $40 million I'd think GITS should be doable for around that if not a bit more. Maybe the effects are crazy in the trailer though.
BassForever
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Gits by its nature has a larger cast then Lucy of characters which will probably bump up the price more, plus licensing for the series rights. Edge of tomorrow was $178 million which is the closest we've seen of manga/anime to live action though cruz is a more expensive actor then scarjo so who knows.
Licensing and a larger cast to pay are fair points.
If Doctor Decimate is right, it seems clear to me they weren't going after "star power" first. My point overall is that a movie that isn't worth making unless we get "a star" (which is different than a particular actor championing a movie because they are personally interested in the project and want to be a part of it) is usually not a movie that is going to turn out well, creatively, or make a profit. Again, we still have to see with GITS but I'm really having a hard time remembering the last time this strategy (get a random big name actor in this adaptation even if doing so might run counter to the source material) actually worked. Edge of Tomorrow? Even then that was more "inspired" by the source material (whose name it didn't even use) and took enough liberties to really make it its own thing.
UltraGunner
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That Gits trailer looks like it wanted to be a Luc Besson film but decided to give up halfway.
Doctor Decimate
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I'm not kidding when I say like the fifth biggest name in Ghost in the Shell's cast is that banker guy who fled to China in The Dark Knight
Let's call a spade a spade here please
Let's call a spade a spade here please
Imperial Bishop
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Fandom: "Where are Batou's cybernetic eyes?! He needs the eyes!"
Me: "Be careful what you wish for."
Me: "Be careful what you wish for."
Fandom: "Where are Batou's cybernetic eyes?! He needs the eyes!"
Me: "Be careful what you wish for."
See, this is what they mean when they say certain things just don't work in other mediums.
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