So you can just go into somebody's home or private establishment and arrest people without giving any reasons? in the video, the arresting officers couldn't give a clear explanation for their arrest and detainment.
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So you can just go into somebody's home or private establishment and arrest people without giving any reasons? in the video, the arresting officers couldn't give a clear explanation for their arrest and detainment.
added_time
Member
"I'm trying to decide what to arrest you for - obstruction of justice, harboring a fugitive or just being a general pain in the ass!"
The arrests were made in a University of Toronto building with more-or-less public access. Not a private home. Not much in the way of a reasonable expectation of privacy on behalf of those who were staying there and who were arrested. Next?
Fair enough. But surely you can't say that the incident as a whole was handled well by the police. The whole all-or-nothing approach to arresting people during the event seemed like it could have been executed much better.
Certainly. Much of what went down in the G20 could have been handled better.
I'm just saying, there's often more to the story than what you might see on the Fifth Estate.
It also helps to have an accurate idea of what police officers legally can and can't do.
Boogie is RCMP and gets very defensive about his organization, sometimes making posts like the one you quoted instead of explaining things like what a warrant is for and when officers can make arrests vs when they cant
Don't take my snark from me. It's all I have.
also, how does my post have anything to do with being defensive about my organization if it was Toronto Police making the arrests? ;P
That's certainly fair. I'm just wondering why no one has really talked much about this since it happened aside from a few investigations into specific officers when it really seems like the management should be questioned on their handling of it. While the police may have the right to arrest people for probably cause or whatever, it seems completely wrong to me to arrest everyone for just being in a given area regardless of whether or not they had any involvement with inciting riots. Seems like the people who gave those orders should face some sort of consequence.
good point, poor choice of words on my part... how about "defensive of his organization as a whole and to a lesser extent all other police forces"
plus i only skimmed the exerpt, didnt realize who made the arrests, and i know rcmp was obviously involved with arrests at the g20 soooooo
Did they just assume Milczyn, Sarah Doucette and Lindsay Luby would sign? It's looks hilariously bad that three people didn't even agree on their letter there.
Hey now, I generally think the police do a good job. Just this g20 thing was handled in such stark opposition to what I think the police should have been doing that I find it quite disturbing.
You don't know what information/intelligence police had that may have given them reason to believe that the people in that gym were there for the purpose of participating in the riot.
For one thing, I think that gym was all out-of-towners bussed in from Montreal, and the Montreal anarchist-set were known to be the biggest troublemakers in terms of the disturbances.
if there was any info more specific than that, I don't remember it, and wouldn't be able to share if I did.
I don't mean the gym, I meant the people in queen's park or the people at Spadina and dundas. True, I don't have the same information that the police did, but arresting everyone that happened to be at Queen's park, including in the video, an old man with a prosthetic leg that the police took along with his glasses seems ridiculous regardless of whatever information they had.
ageist
added_time
Member
Word on the street is that Milcyzn is going to stop backing Ford immediately
Yeah, those two incidents were definitely in the "fuckup" category.
However, I do not know if the Riot Act was read in Queen's Park.
If it was, then the criminal code says that those involved must disperse within thirty minutes. Anyone who did not disperse would have committed an offence, and been subject to arrest.
That is the law. If the riot act was read, police were obligated to act.
S. 67: A person who is
(a) a justice, mayor or sheriff, or the lawful deputy of a mayor or sheriff,
(b) a warden or deputy warden of a prison, or
(c) the institutional head of a penitentiary, as those expressions are defined in subsection 2(1) of the Corrections and Conditional Release Act, or that person’s deputy,
who receives notice that, at any place within the jurisdiction of the person, twelve or more persons are unlawfully and riotously assembled together shall go to that place and, after approaching as near as is safe, if the person is satisfied that a riot is in progress, shall command silence and thereupon make or cause to be made in a loud voice a proclamation in the following words or to the like effect:
Her Majesty the Queen charges and commands all persons being assembled immediately to disperse and peaceably to depart to their habitations or to their lawful business on the pain of being guilty of an offence for which, on conviction, they may be sentenced to imprisonment for life. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.
S. 68: Every one is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life who
(a) opposes, hinders or assaults, wilfully and with force, a person who begins to make or is about to begin to make or is making the proclamation referred to in section 67 so that it is not made;
(b) does not peaceably disperse and depart from a place where the proclamation referred to in section 67 is made within thirty minutes after it is made; or
(c) does not depart from a place within thirty minutes when he has reasonable grounds to believe that the proclamation referred to in section 67 would have been made in that place if some person had not opposed, hindered or assaulted, wilfully and with force, a person who would have made it.
S. 69: A peace officer who receives notice that there is a riot within his jurisdiction and, without reasonable excuse, fails to take all reasonable steps to suppress the riot is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
Even if just an unlawful assembly:
S. 66: Every one who is a member of an unlawful assembly is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
As for unlawful assembly, it has this unwieldy definition:
63. (1) An unlawful assembly is an assembly of three or more persons who, with intent to carry out any common purpose, assemble in such a manner or so conduct themselves when they are assembled as to cause persons in the neighbourhood of the assembly to fear, on reasonable grounds, that they
(a) will disturb the peace tumultuously; or
(b) will by that assembly needlessly and without reasonable cause provoke other persons to disturb the peace tumultuously.
Lawful assembly becoming unlawful
(2) Persons who are lawfully assembled may become an unlawful assembly if they conduct themselves with a common purpose in a manner that would have made the assembly unlawful if they had assembled in that manner for that purpose.
And there is no "proclamation" for an unlawful assembly, so that's a grey area.
BigJonsson
Member
Hahahaha, sure, let McGuinty run Toronto, lets see how long the Fords like that lol
Lets have a free vote on the vehicle registration fee and the land transfer tax
Lets have a free vote on the vehicle registration fee and the land transfer tax
yeah seriously it's just randomly got a pool and garden on the 6th floor lol. I love buildings like that
lunarworks
Member
Wait, what? A free vote a Queen's Park is now supposed to decide these things?
You mean that Toronto's transit plan should be decided by completely disinterested MPPs from places like the middle of Northern Ontario?
BladeWorker
Member
Wow, it's like they didn't even read the MOU. The MOU that, as the preem confirmed, required Council's approval to move forward.
Ford didn't get Council's approval - he had six months to try - and therefore the MOU is kinda now a moot point.
And where the eff do they get off citing transit deficits in Scarborough as a reason for Etobicokians (?) to be concerned? Since when do they - having the lowest per capita population within 500m of a subway line - get to dictate what happens to a subway line that was never going to serve them, anyhow - when they were the councillors that put Scarborough in that position in the first place?
And where did Ford get this idea that people were rising up against Council's decision based on the Stintz coup? On his midnight ride? Such a representative cross-section. Let's ask drunk people and blue-collar shift workers dependent on subways if they like subways. I wonder what kind of answer we'll get.
The city needs more subways, no doubt. But the city needs more light transit first, and more immediately, in order to connect underserviced populations to hubs where they can access major routes.
Are these a good time? I'm mostly asking about comic-con.Soooo much disappointment.
Ford cannot leave office soon enough. Xl
So hey, anyone going to the Toronto Comicon/Animecon in March?
Soooo much disappointment.
Ford cannot leave office soon enough. Xl
So hey, anyone going to the Toronto Comicon/Animecon in March?
Might attend Toronto Comicon. I've never been, and it looks interesting. I've got the same question as Sonki on it.
Prax
Member
I've only been to FanExpo, but from what I know, this is a lot smaller--hopefully a lot less crowded.
And as far as I am concerned, comiccon/animecon are the same thing, as they take place in the same area, share retail space, etc. The only exception I suppose is that they may feature different panels/activities. Like maybe one panel for voiceacting for the anime side and one panel for making webcomics from the comic side.
I don't have a huge wallet, so it's not as fun as it COULD be.. but..
- do you enjoy seeing people in costumes and taking pictures?
- do you like shopping for comic books, dvds, anima/manga, other fan memoribilia?
- do you like seeing and meeting aspiring indie artists or buying their fanart?
- are you interested in any of the guests or panels or magic the gathering competition?
- do you enjoy the only food nearby being pizza, hotdogs, frenchfries, and possibly the East Side Mario's across the street?
- do you have a bunch of friends who also might like getting their nerd on with you?
Well if so, then it will probably be a good time for you!
I'm definitely attending the FanExpo (which is HUUUUGE and crowded and kind of a pain), but still not sure about ComicCon. But for 30 bucks to go 2 days and see if I can check out what local/ambitious indie artists are up to is probably worth it.
BigJonsson
Member
I wouldn't touch fan expo with a 10 foot pole, always sounds way way way way way too crowded
I'm more convinced now to attend, but I'm still a maybe. I like that it's a smaller event.
It really is, but my friends and I had a good time, so I'll be coming back.
Prax
Member
Yeah. 80k people over 4 days was pretty awful last year. Just forget about getting in early. It's like an hour lineup when doors open.
If you have an artist friend with a table though.. you could just hang out at their table and take a breather when you get in~!
added_time
Member
Toronto photo of the day:
Are we looking into the future here? Nope! This photo is a beautiful building on Richmond Street that has been built as Toronto Community Housing for low income families and to replace some of the housing that was demolished in Regent Park to make room for the new developments there.
Here is a less abstract photo of the outside of the building in case anyone is interested:
The really hilarious thing is that the architecture of this public housing building is better than 95% of all the luxury condos being built.
Are we looking into the future here? Nope! This photo is a beautiful building on Richmond Street that has been built as Toronto Community Housing for low income families and to replace some of the housing that was demolished in Regent Park to make room for the new developments there.
Here is a less abstract photo of the outside of the building in case anyone is interested:
The really hilarious thing is that the architecture of this public housing building is better than 95% of all the luxury condos being built.
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
I was just going to say that I'd prefer to be low income if I could live in that. Love the design. I think it even outclasses the Marilyn Monroe building in Mississauga.
I remember the days I had all of those things. I used to be amped to go to the fan expo every year. But as I got older I got more and more bored of it.
I think it was 2 years ago I tried to go back, but that was the year they were overcrowded or whatever it was. Couldn't get in and the smell of the fans waiting outside absolutely turned me off.
If anything I'd also recommend to you guys to check out The Toronto Comic Art Festival (TCAF). It's pretty "small" still , for free and if you're into webcomics at least a ton of those artists show up for it.
TCAF is like a comic con for grownups. I went last year and really enjoyed it. Got to see panels with people like Kate Beaton and Chris Ware. Loved it.
Toronto photo of the day:
Are we looking into the future here? Nope! This photo is a beautiful building on Richmond Street that has been built as Toronto Community Housing for low income families and to replace some of the housing that was demolished in Regent Park to make room for the new developments there.
Here is a less abstract photo of the outside of the building in case anyone is interested:
The really hilarious thing is that the architecture of this public housing building is better than 95% of all the luxury condos being built.
Damn .. that is a nice looking building.. i wouldnt even begin to think it was TCH. Very nice.
added_time
Member
I know I wasn't the only one who thought this.
EDIT: Made him a bit smaller.
HAHA! Mario should rent a unit for sure!
He wouldn't have to wait for an elevator! :lol
I know I wasn't the only one who thought this.
EDIT: Made him a bit smaller.
Someone's going to fall down there and die.
What? No they won't.
BigJonsson
Member
Remember that guy that was murdered on New Years near Liberty Village?
Well, they just had his brother talking on the news, looked like a gang member =/
Well, they just had his brother talking on the news, looked like a gang member =/
Just a reminder that this episode airs tonight at 9pm on W.
Oppo
Member
I used to do some consulting for TCHC. That building is as dope in real life as it looks.
There are a couple of really nifty ones, mostly around the new Regent Park stuff.
Honestly they are taking heat for making buildings that look TOO hot. People think they are massively overspending tax money on these things. They aren't from what I could tell. I asked specifically about the cladding and some of the other touches, and the answers were all like: "that stuff doesn't cost nearly as much as condo developers would have you believe".
There are a couple of really nifty ones, mostly around the new Regent Park stuff.
Honestly they are taking heat for making buildings that look TOO hot. People think they are massively overspending tax money on these things. They aren't from what I could tell. I asked specifically about the cladding and some of the other touches, and the answers were all like: "that stuff doesn't cost nearly as much as condo developers would have you believe".
crimzonflame
Member
WTF? Wheels has been dead for 5 years?
Zombie James
Banned
And they've only just now announced it. Crazy.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2012/02/16/neil-hope-obit.html
Toronto's war on fun rears its head at the Pinball Cafe
http://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2012/02/torontos_war_on_fun_rears_its_head_at_the_pinball_cafe/
Figured some people would be interested, given that this place was brought up a while ago. Running a business in this city must be a nightmare.
http://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2012/02/torontos_war_on_fun_rears_its_head_at_the_pinball_cafe/
Figured some people would be interested, given that this place was brought up a while ago. Running a business in this city must be a nightmare.