Mister Apoc
Demigod of Troll Threads
me and my friend were arguing about this
damm this is hard both movies are great
damm this is hard both movies are great
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Training Day vs. Collateral
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Both are great, but i would have to give the edge to Training Day.
Dural
Member
Not even close, Collateral is so fucking good. Tom Cruise, as always, is fantastic as a hitman. Love seeing him play the villain. Training Day is just too over the top, still fun to watch, but not in the same league as Collateral. Michael Mann's crime movies are the shit; Heat, Miami Vice, Collateral.
thegame983
Member
You know what a train is don't you?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Both are great but Collateral is a better movie. I love that ending especially
Lady Jane
Banned
Training Day had a better ending
Collateral's ending was crap. Tom Cruise proved throughout this movie that he don't miss shots and never takes risks. When Jamie Fox aimed a gun at Tom Cruise saying he's going to fire, Cruise is all of a sudden chill and relax? He doesn't retaliate and instead baits the guy aiming the gun at him? Okay whatever. Then Cruise survived the shot. For the next 10 minutes, Cruise proceeds to miss the next 50 shots aimed at Fox and then gets outgunned by someone who has presumably never shot a gun before that night.
They wrote themselves in a corner for that one.
Collateral's ending was crap. Tom Cruise proved throughout this movie that he don't miss shots and never takes risks. When Jamie Fox aimed a gun at Tom Cruise saying he's going to fire, Cruise is all of a sudden chill and relax? He doesn't retaliate and instead baits the guy aiming the gun at him? Okay whatever. Then Cruise survived the shot. For the next 10 minutes, Cruise proceeds to miss the next 50 shots aimed at Fox and then gets outgunned by someone who has presumably never shot a gun before that night.
They wrote themselves in a corner for that one.
PumpkinPie
Banned
Training Day, obviously.
king kawng ain't got shit on me!
king kawng ain't got shit on me!
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Collateral only got one good scene. When Jamie Foxx pisses his pants in the club.
AlteredForms
Banned
My vote goes towards Training Day, though I don't believe Denzel should have won the Oscar for that particular performance. His work in his previous movies from the 90s was so much layered and superior. One thing everybody can agree on is that when Dr Dre's song dropped, we all were nodding our heads to the beat.
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Lady Jane
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It was a pity Oscar, same thing happened to Dicaprio and Sandra Bullock.
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Mister Apoc
Demigod of Troll Threads
i thought Max was able to prevail over Vincent because of the lights and the darkness effecting VIncent's shooting
also i tend to see it as a adaptability vs. predictability. Vincent is highly trained, rigorous but predictable, he has a set pattern for everything he does in life, and that carries into his shooting i assume, while Max isn't beholden by that sheer rigidity
AlteredForms
Banned
Mattdaddy
Gold Member
Training Day by a cunt hair just because Denzel is so goddamn good in that movie. They are both top tier though.
That last scene with Denzel after he's beat down and can't get the other gangsters to help him out... and he's slowly spiraling into the realization he's lost. So good!
That last scene with Denzel after he's beat down and can't get the other gangsters to help him out... and he's slowly spiraling into the realization he's lost. So good!
Sosokrates
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Thats a toughie.
I voted collateral because its had greater replayability with me. It is a bit more original and has more moements that you can watch again and again because of the tone and mood.
I wish they picked somone different to jamie fox though, hes not that good of an actor.
Training day may have the better more complicated story though.
I voted collateral because its had greater replayability with me. It is a bit more original and has more moements that you can watch again and again because of the tone and mood.
I wish they picked somone different to jamie fox though, hes not that good of an actor.
Training day may have the better more complicated story though.
GnomeChimpsky
Member
Kinda. If you look closely Tom Cruise places his shots perfectly, center mass, double tap. The only problem is that the door separating them stops the bullets. He fails to adapt, I Ching and all that. Meanwhile Jamie Foxx gets a hit because he shoots wildly all over the place.
It's a bit goofy but actually also kinda cool. Come to think of it, it's actually one of my favorite movie details...
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I saw Collateral with a buddy when I’m pretty sure Harold and Kumar or something stupid like that was sold out…we walked away in awe.
Training Day’s pretty great too, but nothing can beat going into Collateral with zero expectations kinda bummed about not going to a dumb comedy then walking away like wtf what a ride
Training Day’s pretty great too, but nothing can beat going into Collateral with zero expectations kinda bummed about not going to a dumb comedy then walking away like wtf what a ride
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
I like both, but I'll have to raise my fedora to the movie with naked Eva Mendes in it.
They pitied him so much they gave him a SECOND Oscar???
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Training Day has the better performance
Collateral is the better movie.
Collateral is the better movie.
GoldenEye Samurai
Gold Member
I loved both, but I’m a sucker for Tom Boy so I’m going with Collateral.
March Climber
Member
Anyone know of any more movies like these two? Or know more movies that take place in a single screwed up night? I'm a sucker for these types of movies.
Adventures in Babysitting?
Grildon Tundy
Member
kutthoat5150
Member
Collateral is my vote because this is Tom Cruise's best line ever, "Yo homie, is that my briefcase"
More seriously, Judgement Night
I don't recall if it is all in a single night, but Very Bad Things is fuuuucked up
And of course the CLASSIC "having a really bad day..." movie, Falling Down
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Tom Cruise best line ever is after he shoots them and get back his briefcase, he proceeds to shoot the guy who survived the shooting. That was ice cold man
CaptainSlayAHo
Banned
Training day is great, but collateral is literally one of my favorite movies
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Both have great direction, but Training Day benefits from a more interesting and nuanced story, and the performances of the two leads is simply stronger. Cruise and Foxx were great, but Washington and Hawke both turned in performances that are now classic in cinema.
Jennings
Member
Collateral.
As for the ending: Cruise hit precisely where his training told him to, look at the bullet spread on the doors--double tap + head shot, his signature move. The problem is the sporadic flicker of light and dark kept him from seeing there were doors in the way of his precision. Foxx hits his target by just flailing about wildly and getting lucky, because his bullets weren't all aimed center-mass, another reason the fatal bullet didn't kill Cruise instantly.
As for the ending: Cruise hit precisely where his training told him to, look at the bullet spread on the doors--double tap + head shot, his signature move. The problem is the sporadic flicker of light and dark kept him from seeing there were doors in the way of his precision. Foxx hits his target by just flailing about wildly and getting lucky, because his bullets weren't all aimed center-mass, another reason the fatal bullet didn't kill Cruise instantly.
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I collect VHS tapes
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Collateral
It’s not even close
It’s not even close
InfiniteCombo
Banned
And Scorcese. He got a Best Director for... The Departed, I think. But not for much superior films like Taxi Driver or Raging Bull (the latter of which I think is close to an actual masterpiece...)
PaddyOCanager
Member
Collateral. They're both great movies, it's really just personal taste/flavor on which one has the edge.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
That scene though...
This.
Training Day has a bunch of WTF scenes that put you on the edge of your seat. Collateral stays lukewarm throughout.
jufonuk
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Chronicle
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I like these two movies but they both suffer from serious issues with their stories.me and my friend were arguing about this
damm this is hard both movies are great
1. In training day, why does he even need Ethan Hawke? He could of just did it all without him. Terrible plot fail.
2. In Collatetal you have the BEST of the ABSOLUTE BEST of an assassin. A man of the highest skill level and talent in his profession. Yet he is defeated by stupid errors and a regular old taxi driver guy going nowhere. Terrible story design. He would've shot that cab driver the minute he caused a single problem and just flagged another cab to do his bidding.
badblue
Gold Member
...I should probably watch both of those at some point.
Running Scared (2006) is worth a watch if you've never seen it.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
That had a great subplot with that creepy pedophile serial killer couple
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TaylorSwiftFan
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The script of Training Day is a bit too farfetched for me. There are 2 scenes that I could not believe.