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I didn't know how i feel about it being called a mutation.

Mutated tribe can swim to bottom of ocean after developing 'sea nomad gene'

The Bajau tribe of Indonesia have become the first known humans to genetically adapt to diving.The tribe live an extremely amphibious life, and have now been proven to possess the genetic makeup to do so.Living off the coasts of Indonesia for more than 1,000 years, the Bajau people live in...

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[Trogdor1123]

I didn't know how i feel about it being called a mutation.

Mutated tribe can swim to bottom of ocean after developing 'sea nomad gene'

The Bajau tribe of Indonesia have become the first known humans to genetically adapt to diving.The tribe live an extremely amphibious life, and have now been proven to possess the genetic makeup to do so.Living off the coasts of Indonesia for more than 1,000 years, the Bajau people live in...

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Why wouldn’t it be a mutation? Not every mutation gives you a third arm or wings or something like that.

Need a biologist to give us the proper definition.

 

[Days like these...]

Why wouldn’t it be a mutation? Not every mutation gives you a third arm or wings or something like that.

Need a biologist to give us the proper definition.

They evolved differently. Maybe it's just me mutation has a negative connotation to me. Like 6 fingers or 2 penises.

 

[Bojji]

X-men

 

[Hrk69]

Breeding to conquer Atlanta

 

[Hookshot]

Waterworld was a documentary

But I'm more interested in their "wooden googles" how do they work?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I'm not a mermaid. I'm a merman.

 

[Days like these...]

Supposedly they can hold their breath for 13 minutes under water. The world record is 11.

 

[Mistake]

They evolved differently. Maybe it's just me mutation has a negative connotation to me. Like 6 fingers or 2 penises.

I don't see any issue with it. Reminds me of this article of people who drink water with arsenic. Pretty interesting the kind of mutations that happen under necessity, and how we're still animals too

 

[AJUMP23]

Do they have gills?

 

[kevboard]

I didn't know how i feel about it being called a mutation.

Mutated tribe can swim to bottom of ocean after developing 'sea nomad gene'

The Bajau tribe of Indonesia have become the first known humans to genetically adapt to diving.The tribe live an extremely amphibious life, and have now been proven to possess the genetic makeup to do so.Living off the coasts of Indonesia for more than 1,000 years, the Bajau people live in...

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that is what evolution is. random mutations (big or small) that survive over several generations and become more and more prominent the more they are passed on.

 

[dorkimoe]

reminds me of that stan lee show

Superhumans (TV Series 2010–2014) ⭐ 7.3 | Documentary

1h | TV-PG

www.imdb.com

 

[mitch1971]

Supposedly they can hold their breath for 13 minutes under water. The world record is 11.

Kate Winslet did above 7 mins and that was just for a film.

 

[Days like these...]

Do they have gills?

I remember that movie. I can remember more about Waterworld than Avatar!

 

[AJUMP23]

I remember that movie. I can remember more about Waterworld than Avatar!

It is a better movie.

 

[Lord Panda]

Kate Winslet did above 7 mins and that was just for a film.

Yeah she beat Tom Cruise's record of 6 minutes if I'm remembering correctly.

 

[MMaRsu]

 

[Tams]

Why wouldn’t it be a mutation? Not every mutation gives you a third arm or wings or something like that.

Need a biologist to give us the proper definition.

It's the misappropriation of words.

'Criticism' is another. It is neither positive or negative in and of itself, yet many assume it to always be negative.

 

[Days like these...]

Kate Winslet did above 7 mins and that was just for a film.

So half of what these people can do? I'm not sure what your intent was with that post.

 

[Z O N E]

They evolved differently. Maybe it's just me mutation has a negative connotation to me. Like 6 fingers or 2 penises.

I don't think my ex would've left me if I had those mutations.

 

[Bloobs]

I remember that movie. I can remember more about Waterworld than Avatar!

I know right. I used to have a crush on that brown haired woman when I was a kid.

 

[Days like these...]

I don't think my ex would've left me if I had those mutations.

Yeah those 6 fingers would come in handy somehow I bet.

 

[BlackTron]

They evolved differently. Maybe it's just me mutation has a negative connotation to me. Like 6 fingers or 2 penises.

Evolution doesn't occur without gene mutations.

 

[Trilobit]

that is what evolution is. random mutations (big or small) that survive over several generations and become more and more prominent the more they are passed on.

I'm confused, I discussed evolution with someone on reddit and he was adamant about mutations not being random in evolution. So I read about it online and apparently mutations are no longer considered random by evolutionists?

 

[mitch1971]

So half of what these people can do? I'm not sure what your intent was with that post.

I was adding to the discussion about people who have held their breath for a long time.

 

[Days like these...]

I was adding to the discussion about people who have held their breath for a long time.

It came across as diminishing how this tribe has evolved and what they can do underwater.

 

[BlackTron]

I'm confused, I discussed evolution with someone on reddit and he was adamant about mutations not being random in evolution. So I read about it online and apparently mutations are no longer considered random by evolutionists?

Here's a pretty good crash course at least for one "side" https://evolution.berkeley.edu/dna-and-mutations/mutations-are-random/

 

[West Texas CEO]

 

[Trilobit]

Here's a pretty good crash course at least for one "side" https://evolution.berkeley.edu/dna-and-mutations/mutations-are-random/

I think it might have been about something like this the user argued with:

“We always thought of mutations appearing solely by chance across the genome,” says Grey Monroe, an assistant professor in the UC Davis Department of Plant Sciences and first author of the paper. “It now turns out that the pattern of mutation is not only very non-random, but also that it’s non-random in a way that benefits the plant.”

DNA Mutations Do Not Occur Randomly – Discovery Transforms Our View of Evolution

Beating the Odds in Mutation’s Game of Chance New research challenges the long-held assumption that DNA mutations occur randomly, showing that mutations are strategically placed to benefit organisms like plants. This discovery alters our understanding of evolution and could impact everything from a

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I wonder if this is true then if a human were to live a million years his body could adapt itself to new environments without the need for natural selection. I'm talking about a hypothetical immortal person and adaptations like this tribe had.

 

[BlackTron]

I think it might have been about something like this the user argued with:

DNA Mutations Do Not Occur Randomly – Discovery Transforms Our View of Evolution

Beating the Odds in Mutation’s Game of Chance New research challenges the long-held assumption that DNA mutations occur randomly, showing that mutations are strategically placed to benefit organisms like plants. This discovery alters our understanding of evolution and could impact everything from a

scitechdaily.com

I wonder if this is true then if a human were to live a million years his body could adapt itself to new environments without the need for natural selection. I'm talking about a hypothetical immortal person and adaptations like this tribe had.

Ok so, a few things about this. In this research, what they showed is that plants protected their most important genes from mutation. The mechanism of action is that the more important DNA was covered in different type of proteins than those the plant didn't "mind" exposing to mutations. The host wasn't actually able to steer the direction of those mutations, but by making a mutation in one area (for better or worse) more likely than a different one it becomes "non random".

This was possible to measure because they tracked hundreds of plants in a controlled environment. A single organism would not be able to adapt its own DNA in response to needs such as having to breath underwater. Exposing ones own DNA to damage is usually a recipe for cancer. They were able to track a pattern over hundreds of plants that the way they were protecting DNA wasn't random but preferred stopping damage to more critical genes.

If it were happening in humans -say the host dropped how protective it is with proteins over respiratory genes. A mutation happens that breaks it and gives you the ability of a chain smoker. Or another one happens that doubles how long you can breathe underwater. One of them is going to result in more survival and reproduction than the other, leading to the difference between a successful or stamped out mutation. While the process isn't completely random because we "asked for" the category to be less protected than another one, that doesn't mean we are just choosing mutations either. And it still happens over the course of generations.

 

[DGrayson]

From what I remember from my cultural anthropology course (this was 20+ years ago so things might have changed), was that there was a theory that genetic mutations are random, but ones that lead to culturally desirable traits are the ones that increase and are passed down.

So in this case this tribe leaves near the sea and does a lot of underwater hunting for hundreds or thousands of years. Randomly someone has a mutation that causes an enlarged spleen and the ability to stay underwater longer. This allows him to collect more fish, more resources for the tribe, and makes him more desirable for partners so he fucks like hell and his offspring also possibly get the enlarged spleen and this continues with additional mutations possibly adding to the chain effect.

 

[llien]

At school, many of my classmates didn't grasp evolution, with dumdum questions like "why don't monkeys in a zoo turn into humans". I've struggled to understand what part they found so hard. Which is also dumb in some way, I guess.

So for me it goes like that:

Mutations are random. (makes sense, otherwise you need some insane mechanism of "nature" somehow "guessing" what you need)

Beneficial mutations stick (obviously, doh?)

So in this case this tribe leaves near the sea and does a lot of underwater hunting for hundreds or thousands of years.

Homo Neanderthals is about 500k old, our branch, with smaller brains, cough, is about 300k old.

The tribe in question lived over there for merely "more than 1k years".

Which makes the story rather peculiar.

 

[Hookshot]

The tribe in question lived over there for merely "more than 1k years".

Which makes the story rather peculiar.

1,000 years of people making it to 40 is 25 generations. That's enough to get the enlarged spleen gene passed around, especially when each kid with it adds to the number of people passing it on

 

[Tams]

At school, many of my classmates didn't grasp evolution, with dumdum questions like "why don't monkeys in a zoo turn into humans". I've struggled to understand what part they found so hard. Which is also dumb in some way, I guess.

So for me it goes like that:

Mutations are random. (makes sense, otherwise you need some insane mechanism of "nature" somehow "guessing" what you need)

Beneficial mutations stick (obviously, doh?)


Homo Neanderthals is about 500k old, our branch, with smaller brains, cough, is about 300k old.

The tribe in question lived over there for merely "more than 1k years".

Which makes the story rather peculiar.

I think smaller populations can make such things much more pronounced, especially in polygamous (or where marriage isn't a thing) societies. The beneficial genes are more likely to be passed on.

There's also the nurture angle. Development is more foundational at a young age, so if these people dive from a young age, they are more much more likely to be good at it, with or despite nature.

 

[sono]

That's cool

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Reverse COVID vaccine.