I don't believe this one bit.
So it's this:My definition of collusion is the same as the textbook definition. My point being that these idiots were being used by the Russians. They have absolutely no idea what they were getting into.
Also, collusion with regards to Donald himself.
Edit: Also good luck getting a proper investigation into the matter.
Vox has an interesting article on why this leaked:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/10/15947100/donald-trump-jr-russia-leaks
Again, why do people give a shit about the "pee tape"?
It would be one thing if it was video of Donald Trump getting peed on, but it's just him watching strippers pee on a bed, because he hates Obama that much.
If anything that footage would rile up his diehard "i hate Obama" base even more.
People need to stop elevating the importance of this alleged document.
There's far more to that document than the pee tape.People need to stop elevating the importance of this alleged document.
Again, why do people give a shit about the "pee tape"?
Because it's so fucking ridiculous that if it were true it would mean a lot of the other things would likely be true as well
Vox has an interesting article on why this leaked:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/10/15947100/donald-trump-jr-russia-leaks
Pretty much."I had no internet" really means I had to take like 3 days to get a decent story made up.
Because it's so fucking ridiculous that if it were true it would mean a lot of the other things would likely be true as well
Like what?Because it's so fucking ridiculous that if it were true it would mean a lot of the other things would likely be true as well
I doubt this. The NYT specifically has already outed the Trump Admin for trying to release fake leaks. I doubt they would run with this story if they had any doubts about its legitimacy. Especially considering the CNN debacle. Im sure there are still plenty within the WH that still despise Trump.
If anything this was a brilliant trap that worked by the NYT. Getting Trump Jr to put out an inaccurate statement and then pulling the carpet. The fact that he even gave a statement to CNN of all places suggests that this is very real and they are very scared.
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Again, why do people give a shit about the "pee tape"?
It would be one thing if it was video of Donald Trump getting peed on, but it's just him watching strippers pee on a bed, because he hates Obama that much.
If anything that footage would rile up his diehard "i hate Obama" base even more.
People need to stop elevating the importance of this alleged document.
Like what?
Seriously, if the end goal 'importance' of this tape is to help substantiate the rest of the dossier, why aren't we saying "boom, Ukraine agreement!" instead of "boom, piss tape!"
It seems like the "it would mean a lot of the other things would likely be true as well" defense of rallying behind the piss tape is an afterthought that doesn't make sense when viewed under scrutiny.
I honestly feel most of the people saying "haha, piss tape!" don't understand that the tape isn't about Donald getting peed on, and is far less embarrassing in nature.
Seriously, if the end goal 'importance' of this tape is to help substantiate the rest of the dossier, why aren't we saying "boom, Ukraine agreement!" instead of "boom, piss tape!"
I honestly feel most of the people saying "haha, piss tape!" don't understand that the tape isn't about Donald getting peed on, and is far less embarrassing in nature.
Dude hired numerous strippers to come to his hotel room and piss on his bed because an "enemy" that made fun of him for two minutes at a dinner had slept there once. Pretty embarrassing/insane for anyone let alone the FUCKING PRESIDENT.
Because it's the most scandalous. This isn't hard.
Paying prostitutes to piss on the bed our first black president slept in is incredibly embarrassing for its pettiness alone and fits Trump like a glove. Most of the people here know what the tape is about, you just don't get why they still care.
Dude hired numerous strippers to come to his hotel room and piss on his bed because an "enemy" that made fun of him for two minutes at a dinner had slept there once. Pretty embarrassing/insane for anyone let alone the FUCKING PRESIDENT.
Because it's the most scandalous. This isn't hard.
"I had no internet" really means I had to take like 3 days to get a decent story made up.
I'm curious about the ”no internet where I was" statement as I was actively looking at his instagram profile when someone made it private.
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More scandalous than working with a foreign adversary to subvert your own nation's democracy?
So the meeting started talking about trying to buy oppo from our enemy but once it changed to orphans Don Jr. was like fuck this I'm out.
This isn't helping.
Like what?
Seriously, if the end goal 'importance' of this tape is to help substantiate the rest of the dossier, why aren't we saying "boom, Ukraine agreement!" instead of "boom, piss tape!"
It seems like the "it would mean a lot of the other things would likely be true as well" defense of rallying behind the piss tape is an afterthought that doesn't make sense when viewed under scrutiny.
I honestly feel most of the people saying "haha, piss tape!" don't understand that the tape isn't about Donald getting peed on, and is far less embarrassing in nature.
Edit: Seriously, the Dossier is already being actively corroborated by our IC. It's not like the piss tape is going to materialize and the Dossier will somehow go from inert to vital. It's already a key part of the narrative, and massive lead for the investigation.
So the meeting started talking about trying to buy oppo from our enemy but once it changed to orphans Don Jr. was like fuck this I'm out.
This isn't helping.
Perhaps you should be asking that question of Richard Painter.
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-on-trump-jr-meeting-with-russian-lawyer-this
At a minimum it's illegal to conspire with a foreign entity with regard to a political campaign.
At the worst, assuming a quid pro quo (adoption talk was about sanctions) it's giving financial aid to a foreign entity actively attacking our democracy. It's not a huge leap to get to treason.
Would you think it's ok for a campaign to take money from a foreign government or entity? This is worse than that.
More scandalous than working with a foreign adversary to subvert your own nation's democracy?
The GOP can't move against Trump because his base will defend anything he does as president because they like him as a person. If something comes out that ruins that, everything else falls apart. His pussy grab tape nearly did it, but it was him bragging about regular sexual assault, which is unfortunately rather common and way too many people have a lot of experience excusing. A rich man's perversion, even if the hookers aren't peeing on him, will break the illusion for many. Plus the media will spend months rubbing everyone's faces in it.Again, why do people give a shit about the "pee tape"?
It would be one thing if it was video of Donald Trump getting peed on, but it's just him watching strippers pee on a bed, because he hates Obama that much.
If anything that footage would rile up his diehard "i hate Obama" base even more.
People need to stop elevating the importance of this alleged document.
Ms. Veselnitskaya said in a statement on Saturday that ”nothing at all about the presidential campaign" was discussed at the Trump Tower meeting. She recalled that after about 10 minutes, either Mr. Kushner or Mr. Manafort left the room.
I'd like Mr Painter to address whether this also applies to the opposition research conducted by Steele, some of which being information obtained by sources who are literal Russian spies.
Who says this lawyer that talked to Trump Jr is a Russian spy?
Ms. Veselnitskaya's clients include state-owned businesses and a senior government official's son, whose company was under investigation in the United States at the time of the meeting. Her activities and associations had previously drawn the attention of the F.B.I., according to a former senior law enforcement official.
Campaigns do opposition research. No campaign in the world is going to flatly turn down an offer of information because of -the nationality of the person offering it.
https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/884257849085394944When Gore campaign was sent Bush debate brief book, they called FBI. If foreign interests offer you info on former SOS, you call the FBI.
I would be very hesitant in believing it. Its like its worded specifically to avoid charges like the Logan Act.
Here's what he said: "We do not get our opposition research from spies, we do not collaborate with Russian spies, unless we want to be accused of treason....If this story is true, wed have one of them if not both of them in custody by now, and wed be asking them a lot of questions, he said. This is unacceptable. This borders on treason, if it is not itself treason.
I'd like Mr Painter to address whether this also applies to the opposition research conducted by Steele, some of which being information obtained by sources who are literal Russian spies.
Who says this lawyer that talked to Trump Jr is a Russian spy?
There's far more to that document than the pee tape.
And its a real document with primary and secondary sources considered to be credible by our intelligence community.
Again, it's hilarious that
- Goldstone, Agalarov, and Veselnitskaya's names never came out of Junior's mouth in the Saturday or Sunday statements
- The White House/Priebus, despite presumably knowing everything that Junior knows, threw out a bullshit story about Michael Steele organizing the meeting to see if anyone would bite Sunday morning.
- Kushner and Manafort have thus far denied requests to go on record about the contents of the meeting, and only disclosed the existence of the meeting retroactively
The Russian lawyer's official statement:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
Everything about this stinks.
Because who could possibly remember which one left. They look identical.She recalled that after about 10 minutes, either Mr. Kushner or Mr. Manafort left the room.
I just don't believe this. The "grab em by the pussy" debacle fundamental broke my understanding in the limits people have for their 'idols'. Bragging about sexual assault (which is a crime), is far worse than having a weird kink, imo. So I don't believe it would have an effect greater than that.The GOP can't move against Trump because his base will defend anything he does as president because they like him as a person. If something comes out that ruins that, everything else falls apart. His pussy grab tape nearly did it, but it was him bragging about regular sexual assault, which is unfortunately rather common and way too many people have a lot of experience excusing. A rich man's perversion, even if the hookers aren't peeing on him, will break the illusion for many. Plus the media will spend months rubbing everyone's faces in it.
It's also really easy to explain blackmail to the public versus a dozen layers of who is working for whom that ultimately ends up somewhere illegal if you can prove both ends knew about the other.*
*The shocking thing about this admin is everyone is so incompetent that we're a fair way towards proving something that should be very difficult.
Campaigns do opposition research. No campaign in the world is going to flatly turn down an offer of information because of -the nationality of the person offering it.
If the parties involved are underage like rumoured, I'm not sure that would be a good idea.
Again, why do people give a shit about the "pee tape"?
It would be one thing if it was video of Donald Trump getting peed on, but it's just him watching strippers pee on a bed, because he hates Obama that much.
If anything that footage would rile up his diehard "i hate Obama" base even more.
People need to stop elevating the importance of this alleged document.
He apparently says the N word in it. His base won't mind but even McConnell can't defend the president of the US saying the N word while Russian hookers perform some sort of golden cascade art show about Obama.
I doubt the tape will ever emerge even if it exists.
Dude hired numerous strippers to come to his hotel room and piss on his bed because an "enemy" that made fun of him for two minutes at a dinner had slept there once. Pretty embarrassing/insane for anyone let alone the FUCKING PRESIDENT.
He apparently says the N word in it. His base won't mind but even McConnell can't defend the president of the US saying the N word while Russian hookers perform some sort of golden cascade art show about Obama.
I doubt the tape will ever emerge even if it exists.
Here's what he said: "We do not get our opposition research from spies, we do not collaborate with Russian spies, unless we want to be accused of treason....If this story is true, wed have one of them if not both of them in custody by now, and wed be asking them a lot of questions, he said. This is unacceptable. This borders on treason, if it is not itself treason.
I'd like Mr Painter to address whether this also applies to the opposition research conducted by Steele, some of which being information obtained by sources who are literal Russian spies.
To Republicans?
Yes. Apparently.
Can someone give me a run down of what the hell has been happening?