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Did you eat a lot of lead paint chips as a kid?Do you prefer murder enthusiast?
Did you eat a lot of lead paint chips as a kid?Do you prefer murder enthusiast?
Yes, but please refer to me as a paint chip enthusiast.Did you eat a lot of lead paint chips as a kid?
It's a generalization. Just like white people are racist claims. I can say that blacks doesn't work but it is not racism. Generalization, prejudice. Just like russians are drunkards or muslims are jihadists.Saying "Mexicans are rapists" is racist, because it implies that mexicans rape people and are therefore an inferior race. Ergo, racism. Is the reason you find it difficult to condemn because you believe it to be true? You think Mexicans are rapists?
25% of black, 25% of white, 25% of brown, 25% of yellow. Diversity and equality
So give me an example of something that was deemed hate speech that you think wasn't actually hate speech? And it's not just about hate speech, its about racism. Ofcourse the government that said "mexicans are rapists" will find it difficult to condemn racism...
According to a stunning Fusion investigation, 80 percent of women and girls crossing into the U.S. by way of Mexico are raped during their journey. That’s up from a previous estimate of 60 percent, according to an Amnesty International report.
Rape can be perpetrated by anyone along the way, including guides, fellow migrants, bandits or government officials, according to Fusion. Sometimes sex is used as a form of payment, when women and girls don’t have money to pay bribes.
It's a generalization. Just like white people are racist claims. I can say that blacks doesn't work but it is not racism. Generalization, prejudice. Just like russians are drunkards or muslims are jihadists.
It doesn't mean that I am not willing to work with them. Just like they don't avoid me because they think that as white man I am racist.
Some years ago a woman in paranja and explosive belt blew up the bus. Of course people will avoid women in paranja after that. But that won't make them racist. But according to the left - it will.
But the politics that we should close our eyes over crimes or illegals - the hell I need to pass a difficult procedure to migrate to USA (well I can also do that through work probably, through merit system I can migrate to Canada - at least I was eligible for the first stage two years ago) when people get a free pass just because they live closer? The problem with illegals is that they will never end - the population is always increasing. People are born and want to move to the country because they don't like living in their own and expect to do that freely just because they live close - the idea is close to - as you have a better house than you neighbor it means he should be able to live freely with you.
Somebody asked for receipts. I didn't actually realize there is a dedicated Resetera thread until 30 min ago.
Regardless in a discussion of the Alt Left they really are a good example.
Me. Do I have your sword, Phoenix?There is no such thing as the "alt left."
Richard Spencer claimed alt-right.
Who is claiming to be "alt-left."
Me. Do I have your sword, Phoenix?
But I am not arguing. I just annoyed with the tendency to "as there is not enough that we should take something and replace with something else".Yes, SOME diversity and SOME equality. It is not an absolute equal or diverse situation though. Now, think, how would you improve either aspect? You'd have to compromise the other. After all 25% across the board isn't diverse, but if we make the %s different to improve diversity, we lose the equality. Like Black and Brown are different, so if we want more equality, we'd actually have to start eliminating these different color so everyone is 1 color.
Saying "Mexicans are rapists" is racist, because it implies that mexicans rape people and are therefore an inferior race. Ergo, racism. Is the reason you find it difficult to condemn because you believe it to be true? You think Mexicans are rapists?
You're a fucking moron because Mexico isn't a race. It's a nationality, fucking moron. Not a race, fucking moron. Do you understand now, fucking moron? And Mexico is a shithole. Last year, there were 25,000 murders (compared to fewer than 10,000 in America despite America having 3x the population...) Last year, more than 100 politicians were murdered. An entire city's police force was arrested for murder and corruption.
So give me an example of something that was deemed hate speech that you think wasn't actually hate speech? And it's not just about hate speech, its about racism. Ofcourse the government that said "mexicans are rapists" will find it difficult to condemn racism...
Was the huffington post engaging in hate speech or racism when they wrote this article?:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html
According to a stunning Fusion investigation, 80 percent of women and girls crossing into the U.S. by way of Mexico are raped during their journey. That’s up from a previous estimate of 60 percent, according to an Amnesty International report.
Rape can be perpetrated by anyone along the way, including guides, fellow migrants, bandits or government officials, according to Fusion. Sometimes sex is used as a form of payment, when women and girls don’t have money to pay bribes.
What if Fox News said the same thing? Is what Trump said worse? Sure, in some ways, definitely. He definitely wasn't aiming for diplomacy with his word choice. He's often needlessly belligerent and confrontational. But where is the line? If Trump was being racist when he said what he said, exactly how belligerent and poorly worded could he have been without being guilty of racism? The idea that a government has the ability to objectively decide this is the issue.
I have some other thoughts on the topic, but no time to make them right now.
Donald Trump: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some I suppose are good people."
Okay, so here's my part 2.
Now to look at that stupid, poorly worded quote:
That is the main quote that people started to use to call Trump a racist. From a standpoint of diplomacy, it's a horrid quote. Just appalling. But there's also a brilliance to it from a political standpoint. It did exactly what he wanted it to do.
The main thing to note is that there's an indefinite modifier used, but it's used for the GOOD people. The good people are made to be the exception, not the rule. But that's not specifically stated either. He never says MOST are bad, he says SOME are good. There's the implication, but it's not stated. This allows people opposed to his message to spread it out of anger, and it allows those who support stronger boarder control to dismiss his critics with the idea that "Hey, he said some are good people! What do you want, to pretend that they're ALL good people? If Mexico had all good people, people wouldn't be wanting to leave Mexico!" and so on.
It also did the other thing that he wanted it to do. GOP Candidate 1: "I support a tougher stance on illegal immigration." GOP Candidate 2: "I also support a tougher stance on illegal immigration." GOP Candidate 3: "I too support a tougher stance on illegal immigration." Donald Trump: "these people are rapists and drug dealers!"
That definitely separated him from everyone else who had a similar stance, didn't it? But was it racism? That's the question. For the sake of argument, let's say that we both feel it was an example of racism. Several important questions arise from that, though. If what Trump said was racism, what about what the huffington post said? Is it racism because it speaks negatively of a minority group? Is it racism because of the word choice? Is it racism because of a poor use of indefinite or definite modifiers? More importantly, is it racism because of who said it?
Ever watch those you tube videos where they attribute Obama campaign promises or speech excerpts to Trump, and speak to liberal voters who are outraged by the hatred and horrible polices? And that definitely can go the other way as well. Tell Trump voters about Obama polices and some cherry-picked quotes, while attributing them to Trump, and I'm sure they'd be super supportive of our former president. It's very easy to demonstrate people accept things from a member of their in-group, that they would be repulsed by from a member of an out-group.
Now imagine people in power in government being able to decide who's guilty of racism, and who isn't. Who is engaged in hate speech, and who isn't. Who should be fined or jailed for their opinion, because one group finds it subjectively too hurtful. You would trust anyone to do that fairly and objectively? You would give that kind of power to a government, and honestly expect it not to ever be wielded against you or someone you agree with?
ERA isn't even left, most of them are centrists. They are a US-centric forum that cheers for centrists like Hillary and the Dems while they would be conservatives in western Europe. So your "left" is way off here.
Then it shall be his Excalibur, and he my Lancelot.
Try being honest and not a half truth telling fool.
Okay, so here's my part 2.
Now to look at that stupid, poorly worded quote:
That is the main quote that people started to use to call Trump a racist. From a standpoint of diplomacy, it's a horrid quote. Just appalling. But there's also a brilliance to it from a political standpoint. It did exactly what he wanted it to do.
The main thing to note is that there's an indefinite modifier used, but it's used for the GOOD people. The good people are made to be the exception, not the rule. But that's not specifically stated either. He never says MOST are bad, he says SOME are good. There's the implication, but it's not stated. This allows people opposed to his message to spread it out of anger, and it allows those who support stronger boarder control to dismiss his critics with the idea that "Hey, he said some are good people! What do you want, to pretend that they're ALL good people? If Mexico had all good people, people wouldn't be wanting to leave Mexico!" and so on.
It also did the other thing that he wanted it to do. GOP Candidate 1: "I support a tougher stance on illegal immigration." GOP Candidate 2: "I also support a tougher stance on illegal immigration." GOP Candidate 3: "I too support a tougher stance on illegal immigration." Donald Trump: "these people are rapists and drug dealers!"
That definitely separated him from everyone else who had a similar stance, didn't it? But was it racism? That's the question. For the sake of argument, let's say that we both feel it was an example of racism. Several important questions arise from that, though. If what Trump said was racism, what about what the huffington post said? Is it racism because it speaks negatively of a minority group? Is it racism because of the word choice? Is it racism because of a poor use of indefinite or definite modifiers? More importantly, is it racism because of who said it?
Ever watch those you tube videos where they attribute Obama campaign promises or speech excerpts to Trump, and speak to liberal voters who are outraged by the hatred and horrible polices? And that definitely can go the other way as well. Tell Trump voters about Obama polices and some cherry-picked quotes, while attributing them to Trump, and I'm sure they'd be super supportive of our former president. It's very easy to demonstrate people accept things from a member of their in-group, that they would be repulsed by from a member of an out-group.
Now imagine people in power in government being able to decide who's guilty of racism, and who isn't. Who is engaged in hate speech, and who isn't. Who should be fined or jailed for their opinion, because one group finds it subjectively too hurtful. You would trust anyone to do that fairly and objectively? You would give that kind of power to a government, and honestly expect it not to ever be wielded against you or someone you agree with?
Hate speech is very easy to define, it is speech that incites hatred against a group, be it religious, ethnic or sexual.
Theyre about as left wing as newneogaf is right wing....
I always want wings.We keep talking about left wings and right wings. I'm getting hungry for buffalo wings.
I feel like 3/4 of GAF threads on OT are either people complaining randomly about the ever nebulous "left" or Era.
It's kind of annoying.
The statistics are roughly 80% of all female illegal immigrants of any age are raped or otherwise sexually assaulted on their journey. If it isn't other illegal immigrants doing it, the list of "Who is raping these women?" gets really short, really fast.
ERA isn't even left, most of them are centrists. They are a US-centric forum that cheers for centrists like Hillary and the Dems while they would be conservatives in western Europe. So your "left" is way off here.
Are you saying I condone sexual assault because I'm a member of this site?I find it interesting that this site is so right wing now after all the users who dont condone sexual assault left
I find it interesting that this site is so right wing now after all the users who dont condone sexual assault left
I find it interesting that this site is so right wing now after all the users who dont condone sexual assault left
Condone? Uh Why are you blaming right voters for something that lefty voters have actually done lol?I find it interesting that this site is so right wing now after all the users who dont condone sexual assault left
Condone? Uh Why are you blaming right voters for something that lefty voters have actually done lol?
This is the center where speech is allowed, and discussion and debate is encouraged. This is how off the rails some folks have gone when they view the center as right wing.I find it interesting that this site is so right wing now after all the users who dont condone sexual assault left
Dude they have a question upon signing up "do you believe everyone has a right to their own opinion"ERA isn't even left, most of them are centrists. They are a US-centric forum that cheers for centrists like Hillary and the Dems while they would be conservatives in western Europe. So your "left" is way off here.
To a certain extent til its edited by some passive aggressive janitor.Not saying it Rosey here, but thats because we allow people to have an opinion.
How is using my freedom of speech while you use your freedom of speech problematic?Your not part of the problem if you think people shouting down speakers at public universities is problematic.
Apparently being a leader doesn't mean that you actually have to lead.What the fuck is wrong with people.
How is using my freedom of speech while you use your freedom of speech problematic?
I will never ever understand the insistency and the necessity to define what is hate speech and what is not. Just seems like an insidious way to control speech.
I know that rape and sexual violence happens routinely in the drug cartels and human trafficking that flow in and out of Mexico.Saying "Mexicans are rapists" is racist, because it implies that mexicans rape people and are therefore an inferior race. Ergo, racism. Is the reason you find it difficult to condemn because you believe it to be true? You think Mexicans are rapists?
Clearly you can't, because according to the left, not supporting illegal immigration is racism.A statement can be both a generalisation AND racist, as most generalisations are bigoted/racist. With statements like those, is it at all surprising the level of vitriol and violence that is meted upon minorities in the US? And mate, you can be against illegal immigration and still condemn racism..... it's not an "either/or" situation....
Of course it's their duty. The fucking job of leaders is to unite people under their nation, not promote fear and violence. What the fuck is wrong with people.