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Trump calls NATO "obsolete"

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Bitch Pudding

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In an simultaneous interview with the German tabloid Bild and the British Times, Trump said NATO is obsolete, as members don't pay what they should do, and it doesn't fight terrorism.

He also critizised Merkel for her policy on immigrants (he calls them "illegals") and said BMW will have to pay a 35% tax for all cars produced in their new Mexico plant.

And apparently, he also stated that Brexit was a good thing to happen which will make the UK great again and that other EU countries are to follow en-suite, "as a friend told him".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-post-election-interview-brexit-a-great-thing

chadskin said:
Here's an English source:

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump called NATO obsolete, predicted that other European Union members would follow the U.K. in leaving the bloc and threatened BMW with import duties over a planned plant in Mexico, according to an interview with Germany's Bild newspaper that will raise concerns in Berlin over trans-Atlantic relations.

Quoted in German from a conversation held in English, Trump predicted Britain's exit from the EU will be a success and portrayed the EU as an instrument of German domination with the purpose of beating the U.S. in international trade. For that reason, Trump said, he's fairly indifferent whether the EU breaks up or stays together, according to Bild.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...obsolete-and-dismisses-eu-in-german-interview
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Pretty sure this is going breaking news soon...

And yes, he did that 10 months ago in an ABC interview, but he wasn't president-elect at that time...
 
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ClosingADoor

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Eastern Europe going to have a panic attack over this.

Time to arm up in the EU if this clown actually continues this bullshit.

Oh, and NATO does nothing against terror? Short memory Trump. America is the only country to ask NATO to go to war, in response to a terror attack.
 
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Phrozenflame500

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It's not a very realistic worldview to assume that US dominance is a given, and not just the result of decades of smart international institution-building in their favour.
 
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TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
NO PUPPET! NO PUPPET!
 
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ThoseDeafMutes

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I'm sure that Donald came to this conclusion entirely on his own, and that has nothing to do with the fact that dismantling, dividing or otherwise weakening NATO is Russia's #1 foreign policy goal.
 
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Xando

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Apparently also threatened BMW with 35% tariffs.

Dude is starting tradewars left and right.


Who would've though a American Presidant would become national security issue nr. 1 here in europe.




Merkel better start to develop nukes to keep putin away.
 
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jelly

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ClosingADoor said:
Eastern Europe going to have a panic attack over this.

Time to arm up in the EU if this clown actually continues this bullshit.

Oh, and NATO does nothing against terror? Short memory Trump. America is the only country to ask NATO to go to war, in response to a terror attack.
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Yeah, after 9/11 right. An attack on one is an attack on all.
 
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ItIsOkBro

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S1kkZ

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not sure if its worth a new thread, but in the same interview, he announced plans for a 35% tax for all cars that are not manufactured in the us.

edit: too late.
 
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Dryk

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Phrozenflame500 said:
It's not a very realistic worldview to assume that US dominance is a given, and not just the result of decades of smart international institution-building in their favour.
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America is going to learn very quickly that it's continued dominance is mostly just inertia
 
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Dr.Acula

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ThoseDeafMutes said:
Ukraine is not a member state of NATO or the European Union and Russia is highly unlikely to re-escalate that conflict. An ongoing frozen conflict with disputed borders makes Ukraine difficult to ever accept into the alliance.
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Ukraine will get a Brexit style referendum on joining Russia and it will pass with like 85%.
 
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Xando

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ThoseDeafMutes said:
Ukraine is not a member state of NATO or the European Union and Russia is highly unlikely to re-escalate that conflict. An ongoing frozen conflict with disputed borders makes Ukraine difficult to ever accept into the alliance.
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You think they gonna openly rush kiev or they'll keep to eastern ukraine?


Scary times ahead.
 
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_Ryo_

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What else would you expect from a pawn of the Kremlin? And he won't be punished for anything either. If it were Dems that did this the GOP would be screaming their ears off. I mean, every single thing Trump does is way worse than EMAILS! but there are only like what, 2 members of the GOP that are speaking out against him?
 
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Jisgsaw

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Trump sagte, momentan existierten in den USA gar keine Sicherheitsüberprüfungen bei der Einreise. Das ist allerdings sachlich falsch.
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"Trump said there aren't any safety control checks formpeople ckming to the US. This is however factually false"

Like seriously, can't he help lying through his teeth aboit things that are so factually and obviously false?
 
Joel Was Right

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Americans elect man who believes NATO is obsolete, Muslims should be put on a database and climate change is a Chinese hoax.

Every major policy Trump has advocated seems to have been approved by, at least, 47% of the American electorate. Crucially, these positions are not new - he held them throughout his campaign and people readily embraced them.

Rather than portraying this as the words of a sole lunatic, it's time people here deal with the reality that half the country supports lunacy. The country is going to hell and all people seem to be debating is one man; it is infuriating to see how blind people are to the underlying causes.
 
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Drencrom

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NATO... obsolete?

Does this orange baby actually want to undermine America's position in the world just to please Putin lmao
 
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Imperfected

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I feel like this is racing toward the breaking point.

If Republicans are so deranged in their partisan fervor that they openly ignore Trump handing Putin everything he wants on a silver platter, then there's no longer any possibility of a national debate, no longer any potential for compromise, and no longer any peaceful scenario where both sides occupy the same country.
 
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Regiruler

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This is interesting given that I was just reading a textbook on this.

FWIW, I don't think this particularly has much to do with Russia. Hasn't the US been ignoring it more and more often anyway, given that it's effectively useless for preemptive warfare that realists like so much?
 
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ImpracticalPassword

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Ugh, well, at least it's not new news? He's been publically shitting on NATO since at least that mid-July NYT interview. Except that was kinda written off back then as dangerous but almost an accidental stream of consciousness rambling about matters he didn't even vaguely understand.
 
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kess

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Trump is obsessed with making people "pay." Look at his interviews from the 80s. What's the point of peace if America can't take a punitive stance and demand a cut from it?
 
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Kinyou

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He says the Nato is obsolete because "it was created many, many years ago". What kind of logic is that even supposed to be?
 
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Jackpot

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"Trump said Brexit is going to happen, and it happened. Everybody thought I was crazy," said Trump
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The guy is clearly showing signs of mental illness. How do people not see this every time he makes a speech?
 
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Lego Boss

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norinrad said:
I'm more worried for Poland though with their current government, Russia doesn't even have to attack. They'll just hand over the country.
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Poland is just a Russian exclave at the moment. Government runs the show closer to a repressive secret police state than a democracy.

It's really bad. I wonder if Obama put those tanks there to protect Poland from Russia or Poland from itself . . .
 
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Xando

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Kinyou said:
He says the Nato is obsolete because it was created many, many years ago. What kind of logic is that even supposed to be?
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"Donald Trump is obsolete because he was created many, many years ago"

norinrad said:
I'm more worried for Poland though with their current government, Russia doesn't even have to attack. They'll just hand over the country.
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I thought they're highly anti putin?
 
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