Resident_UA
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No, in that case you are just a liar. "Leak" implies that true information was leaked.
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Trump declares total vindication in tweet on Comey
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No, in that case you are just a liar. "Leak" implies that true information was leaked.
Resident_UA
Member
Putin is infinitely smarter than Trump. This is not saying much but it also makes Putin way more evil.
You're not wrong. The difference of course is Nintendo can prove the bullshit part of the story is a lie damaging your credibility to most people. Trump would need to release a tape of their conversation to accomplish the same thing.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Sure, once the dust settles and we know all the facts that's true. But there's a credibility issue here. If you present to me a new rumor, I have to take into account the totality of your record. It's disingenuous to straddle a fence and cite you as a credible source when you present Rumor C because you got Rumor A right and then turn around and toss out some new Rumor D that I don't like and cite how you're probably wrong now because you got Rumor B wrong.
He is ruining your country, destroying your lives and your future. And the best you can do is protest a half-dozen times in 4 month ?
Duane Cunningham
Member
I want to play Falcontail.
Steve Youngblood
Member
OK. Suggest concrete things you think people should be doing or please just drop this.
EdibleKnife
Member
Do you want us to build a guillotine on the White House lawn and drag him out? Do you actually have any idea what we should do?
TheCochese
Banned
Sorry we aren't living up to your expectations, Your Majesty.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Comey: Trump WASN'T under investigation.
Republicans/Conservatives: So he ISN'T under investigation.
Remember, GOP, you stressed that "hope" isn't a direct order, well, "wasn't" doesn't mean "isn't".
WaterAstro
Member
"Covfefe is a leaker! Enjoy!"
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's a very delusional list of individuals. Trump could say the sun and moon are the same things and these individuals will still side with him.
Ragnarsson
Member
As someone who speaks English as a foreign language, it's fascinating to see native speakers buy into that doublethink nonsense (Comey being simultaneously a leaker of vindicating truths and a liar...) and the wide misunderstanding of what Comey very carefully chose to say (things like Trump, at that time, not being personally under investigation).
The comparison would be South Korea.
The problem is that Seoul is one of the world's most populous cities while DC is like 1/3rd the size of Brooklyn.
It's just more evidence that Trump voters are an absolute lost cause. Don't waste time or energy trying to convince them that their God King might not have their best interests in mind.
Paralyze your country until he is gone ? Block public transport and businesses during the week ?
Marching down the street on the weekends does nothing. Republicans already know half the country hates them and they still won't do anything about Trump.
At what points do americans get mad about a man who is ruining their country (and the world) ? He doesn't even have the support of a majority of americans.
Uhhhh... What exactly is it you expect people to do?
Edit:
The only thing that would hurt are those specific businesses / areas and people would likely lose their jobs. It would do nothing to stop the government from moving forward, and considering that Republicans control things right now, it still wouldn't get him removed. That would take more republicans finding their souls.
There has been a shit ton of effort against this administration, from private citizens to elected officials. Downplaying it because it doesn't meet your frankly unrealistic standards is just a terrible look.
marcbret87
Member
My guess is that Trump does not think that he did anything illegal by "suggesting" to the FBI director that he should let somebody off the hook (or an entire investigation). He probably thinks he has a right to do so, hence why he only focuses on the leaked information.
Netherscourge
Banned
It's not as simple as His word vs. His word, so far as cancelling out Comey's statements.
If Comey's memos were ever admitted as evidence, which a Trump Defense attorney might actually allow if they were trying to scheme some sort of perjury accusation against Comey, it will ultimately come down to a group of people (jury, congressmen, etc...) deciding who they trust more - an unbiased, tenured FBI Director who has served under 2.5 presidents with distinction -or- a scandal-plagued President who lies publicly every couple weeks on Twitter, in between ramblings and rantings, and occasionally self-incriminates himself with only a "Hey, I'm just a new guy" defense.
Fact is - nobody can prove Comey is wrong and everything points to Trump having attempted to Obstruct Justice by firing, defaming and then publicly threatening the FBI director.
In the court of public opinion, you are guilty until proven innocent by the masses. Trump will either be impeached/resign before the end of his term or the voters will oust him and many others in the GoP in 2020/2018.
The GoP will have to do a lot of polling this year to find out if their voter base is still behind them for 2018 or if they want Trump replaced. If the GoP stand behind Trump and misread their own voters, they're all screwed.
If Comey's memos were ever admitted as evidence, which a Trump Defense attorney might actually allow if they were trying to scheme some sort of perjury accusation against Comey, it will ultimately come down to a group of people (jury, congressmen, etc...) deciding who they trust more - an unbiased, tenured FBI Director who has served under 2.5 presidents with distinction -or- a scandal-plagued President who lies publicly every couple weeks on Twitter, in between ramblings and rantings, and occasionally self-incriminates himself with only a "Hey, I'm just a new guy" defense.
Fact is - nobody can prove Comey is wrong and everything points to Trump having attempted to Obstruct Justice by firing, defaming and then publicly threatening the FBI director.
In the court of public opinion, you are guilty until proven innocent by the masses. Trump will either be impeached/resign before the end of his term or the voters will oust him and many others in the GoP in 2020/2018.
The GoP will have to do a lot of polling this year to find out if their voter base is still behind them for 2018 or if they want Trump replaced. If the GoP stand behind Trump and misread their own voters, they're all screwed.
TheLaughingStock
Member
Maybe he couldn't fit all that in there. Did he say despite so many false statements and lies by Comey? How can you have "total and complete vindication" if Comey is a liar...
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Total delusion.
Yeah, keeping people from getting to work/school and harming businesses that have absolutely no ties with Trump or Republicans in general will be what makes Trump go "hmmm maybe I should step down"
Always-honest
Banned
He's really not that smart, is he?
A lot of rich people aren't, i've noticed. Maybe the desire for more money and power is for stupid people anyway. They need it most.
A lot of rich people aren't, i've noticed. Maybe the desire for more money and power is for stupid people anyway. They need it most.
nah
SJurgenson
Banned
We are not at the bus-blocking phase yet.
The American political system is powerful, but slow. We need to let it take its course, while fighting hard to keep it on track and at speed.
We would damage the system irrevokably if we just ignored the process and went straight to civil disobedience and rioting.
Peaceful protest and making sure the investigations continue are the appropriate and powerful steps we are taking.
Ripping senators from the roman senate did not help the stability of the roman republic, after all.
Omegasquash
Member
We are, and we also need to do things like generate income and provide for our families. Which is why we get up in the morning, use public transport and get our asses in to work. We're donating money to places like the ACLU, the NAACP, Black Lives Matter, and numerous other organizations. We're making our voices heard in town halls, we're running for office in lots of different districts, we're committing on a state and city level to continue to make the world a better place.
We aren't going to let anger force us to do things that won't work, or will hurt us in the long run.
This would accomplish nothing except get a shit ton of people arrested and cause people on the fence to side more with the pro-Trump people since the anti-Trump people are fucking up their daily lives.
EdibleKnife
Member
I'm completely fine with that. There is still a criminal investigation to deal with though. All that completely shutting down the US now would do is vindicate Trump among the GOP and his base which would probably violently respond to such a display, hold up the investigation and cause GOP legislators to speed though legislation that rips up the constitution for the sake of protecting Trump and themselves by making it illegal to protest etc. The country will just speed toward the destabilization that Putin was looking to do by interfering with our election and boosting Trump. When it needs to happen, it'll happen.
You mean the same political system that allows the one with less votes to win ? That allows a president to have close advisers with ties to an hostile regime ? That allows a president to leak intelligence to the same regime ? That allows a president to obstruct justice without facing immediate repercussions even though he admits it ?
Yes let's trust that system.
Monocle
Member
LMAO, he's such a tool. Can't stop playing himself.
I hope he accidentally takes down the party with him. Conservatives deserve a better party, and maybe, just maybe, starting over with some of them will mean less spin in the future. Didn't work with the tea party, but they don't want to listen to facts, so what other legal/moral thing can we do besides hope?
Holy Order Sol
Member
would have been better off tweeting "despite so many falsfefe"
Monocle
Member
Fake news. If this were written by Trump the entire letter would have fit vertically on one line, on account of his incredibly tiny hands.So, turns out Trump also kept notes of his meeting with Comey, he just released them:
Reliable sources confirm that he has to write by gripping a pube in his fist and carefully dipping it into a thimble filled with ink.
Monocle
Member
The score should be nothing but airhorn toots.
I don't think Trump really understands what a leak is.
Shadow Puppetry
Member
"and WOW, Comey is a leaker."
Okay, we know Trump didn't tweet this.
Okay, we know Trump didn't tweet this.
WAR recon zero
Banned
The Donald reddit says this was a great victory for God emperor
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Well, duh. What else are they going to say? It's not like they can admit it was bad for him.
That subreddit always on Trump's nutsack.
yanipheonu
Member
Man, even if Trump was being literally dragged out of the Oval Office in Handcuffs, you just know they'd somehow twist it so it was the greatest American Victory somehow.
Confirmation bias is a helluva drug.
SJurgenson
Banned
It's the one we have and has worked for 230+ years. It is inherently designed to be slow. That is an important part of its stability. We are not just defending particular laws and issues here, we are defending the system itself.
We believe in the system and its process, we are offened by Trump's breaking its norms and possibly laws. We cannot break its norms as well, even if doing so damages us in the short term.
We have faith in our system. While we have to fight for (but acklowledge we may lose) particular​ laws and norms in the short term, the important battle is for protecting the overall system.
I have faith that while we will take losses in the immediate future, the American system will resolve this. Think of it as a boulder rolling down a shallow hill -- it goes slow and haltingly, but ay the bottom the momemtum is powerful.
Look we know Comey was just trying to slander the POTUS after being canned for a job he clearly couldn't handle..why would we take anything he says seriously especially since he didn't have the courage to speak out before he was fired? He was just trying to save his own hide and now that he's fired he had to use a reporter to tell his story cause he didn't have the stones.
Comey is weak, a leaker and close to being a traitor. If anything we should be praising Trump for standing in the face of the liberal media and doing what is best for the American people.
/FoxNews
Comey is weak, a leaker and close to being a traitor. If anything we should be praising Trump for standing in the face of the liberal media and doing what is best for the American people.
/FoxNews
Dead Prince
Banned
selective quote picking.
Master Yoshi
Member
He is
x24hrs2livex
Banned
Trump is pretty much fucked. Having a special counsel means everything Trump has done will be poured over. Every bit of tax evasion, connection with Russian mobsters, sexual assault, and Russian collusion will be looked at by Mueller. If I'm not mistaken the Clinton impeachment started because of some old land deal he had been apart of.