Fox Mulder
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It's sad seeing him accepted.
I hoped millennials finally had a reason to get off their asses. We deserve Trump.
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Trump: Same-Sex Marriage is "Fine", It was settled in the Supreme Court."
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It's sad seeing him accepted.
I hoped millennials finally had a reason to get off their asses. We deserve Trump.
I agree with this to an extent, but they work for him. They've been his loyal lapdogs for a year now so I see no reason why this would change. He just proved that he doesn't need the party or anyone else, for that matter. Ultimately, though they may try to persuade him, he's in charge.
Either he's a narcissistic blowhard or he isn't. It's not their party anymore, it's Trump's party. At least for the next few months.
All you're saying is that we should wait until the damage is done until we start being critical?
He confirmed over the last couple of days he was still going to remove all of Obama's executive orders. He doesn't give a rat's ass about SSM and he's certainly not going to be an ally in regards to defending against bigotry and providing more rights for trans individuals.
But please, sell me more on this wall.
I chuckled.
Pick a side! We're at war!
He has promised to sign a law that opens up legal discrimination of the LGBT community under the false pretence of "Religious Freedom". That means you can have people literally refuse to serve you if you're gay, bi, or trans both in private and public business. Do you understand how disastrous that is. That means you can have people in the state refusing to give gay people their marriage licence, you can have doctors refuse to perform emergency care to gay people. That's not hyperbole, the way the bill is written opens up for complete and total legal discrimination of the LGBT community.
If Trump is for this, and he is, then no, he's just as against the LGBT community as every single Republican leader.
Fox Mulder
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Yes he does. He wants a justice to overturn roe vs wade.
CadetMahoney
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I don't think Pro-life trump supporters have acknowledge that same argument with Roe v Wade for the last 43 years lol.
My hope since last week has been that he will ignore most social issues and just focus on the economy and related stuff instead. I don't honestly care if he screws the economy up as long as we can keep social issues out of the firing line.
Edit: I understand that some will likely fall but this is at least a sliver of hope that it won't be open season.
Edit: I understand that some will likely fall but this is at least a sliver of hope that it won't be open season.
supporter and all I care about is jobs and immigration. Don't care what else he does as long as he doesn't have my race picking cotton and getting the whip or take away our rights. The problem is Trump has been shown support for the LGBT community but the other side just didn't care so this isn't really new to his supporters. The liberal media just brainwashed ppl to think he has a problem with them.
Naive post.
CopperPuppy
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Cool. And what does it say about his support for LGBT rights that he appointed them to leadership positions in his administration?
But, please, continue to lend more credence to a proven liar's single statement on 60 Minutes than to his actions less than a week after the election.
It's sad that all this guy has to do to stifle dissent is speak out of the other side of his mouth and wave a flag around. The dude spent his first days as President-elect appointing some of the most virulently anti-LGBT lunatics I can think of to leadership positions in his administration, and people can still be fooled. Unreal.
I truly believe that Trump doesn't give a shit about these types of social issues, and would rather move on to things he is interested in, such as trade, taxes and health care.
Thing is, he is surrounding himself with people that DO care about these social issues, and won't just drop it because "it's law". If Pence starts asking Trump to head up some Religious Freedom task force Trump will probably agree as long as Trump doesn't have to be involved. This is when shit will start hitting the fan.
Thing is, he is surrounding himself with people that DO care about these social issues, and won't just drop it because "it's law". If Pence starts asking Trump to head up some Religious Freedom task force Trump will probably agree as long as Trump doesn't have to be involved. This is when shit will start hitting the fan.
styl3s
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But then the speech me made after being elected he said he supports the LBGTQ. Of course he had to make some hard right statements to get elected.
And what have his opinions been for most of his adult life?
We're already reading that most of his rhetoric was bullshit, and he knew it. There will be no deportation force. There will likely be no wall. He *may* make some alterations to the Iran Nuclear deal but won't back out.
We have no idea what he's actually going to do.
What an unproductive sentiment. Who are you even talking about. You're blanket statement virtue signalling does nothing but elevate yourself at the expense of others.
If you see someone waffling then call them out directly. Don't drag everyone else down just to get cool points.
Actions speak louder then words. Just look at his actions.
stuminus3
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This is the problem with everything being so binary, "left" or "right". LGBT rights are as clear cut as can be to me - people should be treated equally, full stop. I really struggle with the abortion discussion though.
Green Yoshi
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He only wants to be president. So nobody can humiliate him anymore. Especially not business partners that let him down.
Netherscourge
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Doesn't matter what Trump says.
Once he picks anti-LGBT/anti-abortion SCOTUS Judges, THEY will decide.
He'll have no say in it after those Judges are sworn in. He already said he wants "Scalia-style" judges, aka, Conservatives.
So, he's just bullshitting unless he actually nominates more liberal judges.
Once he picks anti-LGBT/anti-abortion SCOTUS Judges, THEY will decide.
He'll have no say in it after those Judges are sworn in. He already said he wants "Scalia-style" judges, aka, Conservatives.
So, he's just bullshitting unless he actually nominates more liberal judges.
CopperPuppy
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Except that's not accurate. We can look at the things he's already done. He has appointed Ken Blackwell to be his top domestic policy advisor. He has appointed Steve Bannon to be his chief strategist. I understand that these individuals work for him. But what do these actions say about his professed support for the LGBT community? Words don't mean much when you've already undermined them through action.
We have no idea what his actual positions are. That's what made his presidency so dangerous.
The same could be said of any candidate, but because we have no history to judge him on it's impossible to know what he's going to do.
RPGCrazied
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Pretty much, if he nominates Garland, I might change a tad on Trump, but I don't see that happening.
ZombiePlatypus
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Let's see what the rest of his party and his VP does.
Fox Mulder
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So he lied about some things, but can be trusted on others. Even as he stacks his cabinet with true believers and they control congress as well?
If that's the case then people need to take it to the state and local elections.
Green Yoshi
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He's from New York. So this could be very likely. In 2008 he praised Hillary and condemned Bush.
Right. So ultimately, the question is this- Is he going to give in to his advisors and push the Conservative agenda? Or is he going to thumb his nose up at the party like he has from the very beginning?
He owes them no favors.
Kai Dracon
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Even apart from the fact that Trump says whatever anyone wants to hear, it's meaningless if he supports the republicans turning the supreme court ultra conservative with two appointments.
The hate groups will draft their lawsuits, try to push them up to SCOTUS, and there you go.
The hate groups will draft their lawsuits, try to push them up to SCOTUS, and there you go.
I do remember him breaking from the GOP on the HB2 issue. Don't know if he ever flopped back.
Empyrean Heaven
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With Obergfell v. Hodges, which was a Supreme Court case, there's only two ways it could be overturned.
1. A second Supreme Court case arguing that gay marriage is illegal on the grounds of the constitution, which even if Trump puts in a new justice, won't matter because Kennedy (the deciding vote) can't go back on what he said in the first case. This will only change if Ginsburg retires as well and Trump puts in another justice to fully sway the balance of the court. And even if it does happen, it will revert to states rights, meaning it will still be law in 50%+ of the country.
2. Far more dangerous is a constitutional amendment, which is nigh-impossible to overturn. Fortunately, it cannot happen in the first two years of Trump's presidency, BUT if the Republicans get a Senate supermajority (which they only need 8-9 seats to do) and 75% of state governors go Red in two years, they can.
He said whatever the crowd wanted to hear wherever he was.
I don't remember him flip-flopping on that issue, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he did at some point.
EdibleKnife
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They're doubtful because his cabinet choices reflect a clear stance no matter what words come out of his mouth. And without a solid stance on his part, those people have an insane amount of power to sway him in the direction of "Christian, family ideals"
Right? Just mindboggling.
Empyrean Heaven
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VP can only be removed through impeachment so it isn't Trump's call. Trump can run in four years with a new VP though.
VendettaRed07
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Don't believe a fucking word out of his mouth
CopperPuppy
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I'm not sure what you took my post to mean, but I assure you my intention isn't to drag anyone down. I apologize if condescension was the main takeaway. There are numerous posts in this thread and others using Trump's post-election double-speak as an opportunity to reassure themselves that, "See, he won't be that bad," when his actions already demonstrate a worrying trend in the opposite direction. This is a sentiment that breeds complacency, normalizes the disgusting actions of Trump throughout his campaign, and ignores the actions he has already taken that stand in stark contrast to the words these individuals take for reassurance. It's a complacency that underestimated him in the first place, and it's disturbing to see it take root so quickly.
bennywhatever
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A lot of republicans actually agree wholeheartedly with the state-by-state rulings on abortion. Was talking to my father in law about this who is a staunch republican Fox News watcher, and he says the normal reasoning is that a state like Alabama would have a totally different ratio of pro-lifers than a state like California so it's unfair to make a sweeping nationwide decision on something like that.
Well isn't that horrifying.
What a fucking low bar.
This is what I'm afraid of, he doesn't absolutely destroy the country and people wind up thinking hey he's not that bad!
Living the Dream
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By that logic - no gay people would be allowed to marry in Alabama. Nor would blacks.
stuminus3
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He said people should be free to use whichever restroom they feel is appropriate for them and that neutral bathrooms would be too expensive for business to implement. IIRC this was one of the hills Ted Cruz chose to die on.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...eople-should-use-the-bathroom-they-want/?_r=0
Interesting that he points out the damage North Carolina did to themselves.
Fox Mulder
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There's a reason why civil rights have to be forced upon everyone. Can't have states saying something like interracial marriage is now illegal because they have a higher ratio of racists than others.
Fuck me.
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