Trump says the US not bound by one china policy, using it as a bargaining chip

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ZOONAMI

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On Sunday, President-elect Donald Trump told Fox News that he wouldn't feel "bound by a one-China policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade."

Using this as a bargaining chip is laughable and demonstrates a bewildering lack of understanding of the issue. This kind of rhetoric is dangerous.

China has pursued a strategy of reunification with Taiwan going back to the Sino-Japanese war at the end of the 19th century.

Japan lost the island at the end of WW2 and as a result of the Chinese civil war the ROC has largely controlled the island since then, with diplomatic relations for the entire mainland being with Taipei and not Beijing until the 1970s.

China is not going to cede any concessions over trade or currency over the one china policy. They will fight tooth and nail to maintain it. They will retaliate with anti-US trade measures, not friendly ones.

If trump starts a trade war, welcome to a worldwide economic depression like the world has never seen, and there is a strong possibility that would lead to actual war in Taiwan.

China's response:

China's response was measured but clear: co-operation with the US "would be out of the question" if Trump doesn't adhere to the 'one China' policy -- a cornerstone of bilateral relations since the establishment of diplomatic ties in the 1970s.
"I want to stress that the Taiwan question has a bearing on China's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/china-trump-one-china-reaction/index.html

I know there are a couple of threads that mention this but I believe it is worthy of it's own thread given the potential implications. Mods disagree toss it out like an orange peel.
 
I wonder if he can sleep at all. I wonder if his staff tells him what consequences his words can have. I wonder if he is actually afraid going outside, there will be a point where he's no longer safe. I wonder if he even realizes the reality he's in.

I also wonder how many splinter groups plan assassinations right now. And I kinda don't like wondering about that.
 
Oh this is going to end well, the entire world's relationship with China is built on the One China policy. Does he not understand the ramifications of what he's saying? Not just on us, but on Taiwan.
 
Trump really is pushing for that Faithless Elector scenario huh?
 
Trump is the worst kind of ignorant. He doesn't have the mental capacity to understand his own stupidity. He has convinced both himself and his followers he is the man. The truth is they all of them are too stupid to understand their own limitations.
 
The republicans want Pence. No way in hell they are alright with him swinging wildly like this. They guy is moronic on so many levels.
 
Oh this is going to end well, the entire world's relationship with China is built on the One China policy. Does he not understand the ramifications of what he's saying? Not just on us, but on Taiwan.
True, China can always take the easy way and make sure there is only one China.
 
Taiwan should be independent tho. there are people living in islands close to the mainland that are indefensible, they even live from China tourism. I wonder if the current Taiwan situation is tenable.
 
It is incredible how wall street remains incredibly happy about orange turd. Are they all just racist egotistical morons?
 
I wonder if he can sleep at all. I wonder if his staff tells him what consequences his words can have. I wonder if he is actually afraid going outside, there will be a point where he's no longer safe. I wonder if he even realizes the reality he's in.

I dont think Trump has the mental capacity to understand the consequences of his actions. The man is a sociopath
 
Wow. I can't think of a faster way for Trump to promote his own self-assassination.

Edit: I shouldn't be thinking about that. Hopefully he gets impeached.
 
Yep, this is going to end in a trade war and global repression and possibly depression. I just hope actual violence doesn't spill over into Taiwan. But this is going to felt worldwide, because neither side will move an inch.
 
He thinks everything can be bargained and wrestled to gain an edge.

It is incredible how wall street remains incredibly happy about orange turd. Are they all just racist egotistical morons?

Deregulation galore, banks are set to benefit from the removal of many rules / restrictions placed on them.
 
I wonder if he can sleep at all. I wonder if his staff tells him what consequences his words can have. I wonder if he is actually afraid going outside, there will be a point where he's no longer safe. I wonder if he even realizes the reality he's in.

I also wonder how many splinter groups plan assassinations right now. And I kinda don't like wondering about that.

I think he sleeps just fine, because he doesn't understand the consequences and doesn't even care. He's just bumbling along, saying whatever he thinks and having people agree with him.
 
It's the same mentality he has towards "the wall". He does whatever he wants and then if someone protests, he acts like they owe him something.

There is absolutely no reason or accountability in how he acts.

It's like a guy who's too dumb to even know he's in over his own head and just keeps on pulling dumb shit like "I just TOLD YOU! You got SERVED!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" without realizing how serious the situation is.
 
What Bargaining Chip?! The man is clearly an imbecile who thinks everyone else will fall in line. The Chinese are just going to see this as a slight against their position in the world. The only reason hes talking about this is he accidently picked up the phone and the President of Taiwan was on the other end.
 
It is incredible how wall street remains incredibly happy about orange turd. Are they all just racist egotistical morons?

He's still not in office yet. In fact, I think given the recent gains and interest rates about to be raised as well as concerns with inflation, the stock market is bound to have a downturn soon.
 
Conflict is good for business. Which is fucked up.

Actually, stability is good for business. Conflict is, by nature, unstable. This is not going to be good for Wall Street. This isn't going to good for anyone unless one of them flinches and an actual deal is made. Spoiler: this is not going to happen, most likely.
 
the one china policy is retarded though, so I'm glad someone is speaking up against it

Trump should recognize the Armenia Genocide as a genocide next

But he doesn't really care about the history behind it or about independence. trump is an absolute idiot who is only saying stuff like this to piss China off.
 
Taiwan should be independent tho. there are people living in islands close to the mainland that are indefensible, they even live from China tourism. I wonder if the current Taiwan situation is tenable.

They don't have the military power to declare formal independence. If they tried China invades and it's all over in the space of a day. We've basically got a naval fleet sitting in the area to help deter them. The only reason the current situation works is everyone pretends it's not actually happening. Once someone stops doing that it all falls apart.
 
I don't see what a trade war would accomplish. Both countries have such an immense commercial relationship. US depends on Chinese manufacturing, China needs US consumers.
 
Don't like the guy but he should be able to talk to whoever he wants.

He's able to do whatever he wants but he needs to learn how to deal with the consequences. A major conflict could be avoided but instead he decides to double down by pretending it was all a negotiation.

the one china policy is retarded though, so I'm glad someone is speaking up against it

More "retarded" is to create a real conflict because you can't keep a simple facade.
 
They don't have the military power to declare formal independence. If they tried China invades and it's all over in the space of a day. We've basically got a naval fleet sitting in the area to help deter them. The only reason the current situation works is everyone pretends it's not actually happening. Once someone stops doing that it all falls apart.

Sounds like China is just a creepy exboyfriend.
 
Don't like the guy but he should be able to talk to whoever he wants.

Contrary to what many here think, many people think he is completely in the right on this whole China thing. John McCain was just giving an interview yesterday or so flat out saying that he is doing the right thing. This isn't just a Trump thing, many people have wanted our government to do this for many years but no one has been willing as of yet.
 
He's still not in office yet. In fact, I think given the recent gains and interest rates about to be raised as well as concerns with inflation, the stock market is bound to have a downturn soon.

Mortgage rates have been a fucking mess ever since he got into office.
 
Oh this is going to end well, the entire world's relationship with China is built on the One China policy. Does he not understand the ramifications of what he's saying? Not just on us, but on Taiwan.

If we've learned one thing about Trump over the last two years, it's the man does not think any further than 10 seconds into the future.
 
This is the problem with a politician who won a campaign without real platforms. He thinks that issues of bluster have real value and are good foundations for negotiation.
 
Don't like the guy but he should be able to talk to whoever he wants.

He is the representative of a nation and set of values. When you are a grown up and have responsibility you actually consider your actions. Sure in a perfect world him and the leaders of say ISIS should be able to golf together. I think it might cause some issues though.
 
Contrary to what many here think, many people think he is completely in the right on this whole China thing. John McCain was just giving an interview yesterday or so flat out saying that he is doing the right thing. This isn't just a Trump thing, many people have wanted our government to do this for many years but no one has been willing as of yet.

No they are all pure evil and only want the destruction of all that is good. None of these ideas can be debated, we must simply scream that they are racists and sociopaths over and over, louder and louder, forever, until the world conforms to what we want it to be under the weight of our withering hyperbole. Wall Street clearly wants an apocalypse because that would accomplish the most evil, and that's the only reason they and Trump exist. Now let's all call for his assassination some more.
 
I cannot believe this idiot. Does he realize war between businesses and war between countries is completely different? You can piss off your competition all you want in business and battle it out in the market place, but destruction between warring countries is not the path you want to go down.
 
Taiwan should be independent tho. there are people living in islands close to the mainland that are indefensible, they even live from China tourism. I wonder if the current Taiwan situation is tenable.

The current situation is largely Taiwan's fault, because Jiang Jieshi (Chiang kai-shek for the Wade-Giles folks) was the one who insisted that his rump government represented a billion people that it had no authority over in 1949. Partially the US and UN's fault for buying that argument at the outset. But even when recognition "flipped" in 1970, Jiang could've lobbied for independence. A North/South Korea situation between the countries would have resolved this issue a long time ago. Sovereign Taiwan would be more "protected" from Chinese invasion (not militarily, but legally, since China could make the argument that Taiwan is merely a province in rebellion and that any military action is a domestic Chinese matter, which would not be the case if Taiwan were a recognized sovereign state), but Jiang was still butthurt about losing the civil war to want to give up his claim to the mainland.

That said, this is the situation we have now and we have to navigate from that.
 
He is talking to the global community of international leaders like he talked to the electorate.

That's a bold strategy...but I can tell you now, it's going to blow the fuck up in his face.
 
Bypassing the obvious stupidity, can anyone explain to me how this could possibly be a "bargaining chip"?

"Agree to my demands or I'll keep saying stupid shit" is not exactly a deal I think trump can muster.

Though I just imagined a world where he makes deals with a country based on the condition he never talks about that country again.
 
That's not how things work.

Sounds like you're an expert on international diplomacy. I'm sure that wouldn't have any negative consequences.

Having a phone conversation with a foreign nation shouldn't provoke another country to fly bomber planes near our waters to "prove" a point.


He is the representative of a nation and set of values. When you are a grown up and have responsibility you actually consider your actions. Sure in a perfect world him and the leaders of say ISIS should be able to golf together. I think it might cause some issues though.

Taiwan = ISIS?
 
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