Trump Taj Mahal closing after 26 years

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I stayed there in 04 or 05 and it was the worst proper hotel I've ever stayed at. Gaudy, unprofessional, dirty, inefficient and the lobby was basically glittering chaos. Checking in and out was an ordeal. Like a cruise ship.
 
peteykirch said:
Bingo.

Plus places in PA and NY created real resorts that cater to more than the hardcore gamblers AC gets.

AC tried to go young and hip with the Borgata and the Revel, and now only the Borgata stands and the Revel went under and is getting rebranded as something else.

The only decent thing is the Borgata when they get some good music or comedy acts down there.

Letting AC have a monopoly on gaming in NJ was a huge mistake.

I can't stand the NO on North Jersey Casino ads they are running. AC you had a 100% control of casinos and couldn't do anything with it. The town is a crap hole and should just be demolished and go back to nature.

The No on NNJ Casinos people have an issue with casinos which could compete with PA and NY and keep money in the state, but have no issue with the Xanadu/American Dream mall complex which is 10 years behind schedule from opening and costs have went into the billions before a single penny of revenue has been brought in.
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Don't speak for me. I don't like anything that's going in the Meadowlands. I'm against all that shit there. The traffic is terrible and will only get worse if they decide to put casinos up there. Plus if AC can't handle casinos, how is opening more going to work? It's going to make things far worse in AC.
 
Brinbe said:
There's way more competition in the immediate area too as others have said. Instead of AC, lots of people are going to places like the Sands Casino/Resort in Bethlehem or Mohegan Sun in CT instead.

It sucks that people are out of work now because of pure greed.
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But these people were only ever in work because of pure greed...
 
peteykirch said:
Bingo.

Plus places in PA and NY created real resorts that cater to more than the hardcore gamblers AC gets.
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Most of PA's gambling locations are aimed squarely at locals. I can think of *maybe* one that isn't, but I haven't been there. PA isn't trying to create destination gambling resorts- their goal was to profit from the flow of elderly residents taking bus trips to A.C. to sit in front of slot machines.

That being said, Philadelphia *IS* finally building a giant casino complex right next to where all three of it's major sports stadiums are- that one IS absolutely going to be aimed squarely at high end tourist dollars and AC has no way to compete with that.



I can't stand the NO on North Jersey Casino ads they are running. AC you had a 100% control of casinos and couldn't do anything with it. The town is a crap hole and should just be demolished and go back to nature.

The No on NNJ Casinos people have an issue with casinos which could compete with PA and NY and keep money in the state, but have no issue with the Xanadu/American Dream mall complex which is 10 years behind schedule from opening and costs have went into the billions before a single penny of revenue has been brought in.
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North Jersey casinos wouldn't add business, they would simply siphon it from AC further, accelerating that town's decline for no increase in net revenue, but draining millions from state dollars in the process to build them up.

Vegas works because the place itself is a destination outside of the casinos. There is nothing in North Jersey anyone gives a shit about, and casinos will not change that.

AC's mistake was investing in casinos to the exclusion of all else, leaving the surrounding AC area a complete shithole. This is not a joke, AC is frightening and dangerous in ways that Vegas is not. You go there for the casino of your choice and never leave the damned thing.

It may be time to admit that the jersey casino experiment is finished. With PA and NY residents building more casinos and loosening regulations it's only going to get worse.
 
Atlantic city been going down for over 2 decades. This would have happened with or without trump president run. He doesn't even own them anymore.


Shame. Trump and a few others pretty much fucked up my home city trying to make it more casino and tourist based while pushing the people out.

Reap what you sow
 
I've grown up most of my life near AC and it is really a shame just how bad things have gotten there. I never really spent much time there growing up, and with the way things have been going, I have even less desire. I feel bad for all the kids I went to school with who think AC is a good time.
 
The boardwalk area didn't feel safe after dark when I went 6 years ago. I was threatened by a couple citizens even though I was just walking minding my own business. The Vegas strip feels 10x safer after dark
 
NinjaMouse said:
Everyone in this thread realizes that Trump doesn't own the Taj Mahal, or even the parent company anymore, right. Carl Icahn is the controlling stakeholder now, so be angry with him. I understand it's easy and fun to bash Trump, but come on...he legitimately had nothing to do with it.
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Can I at least make fun of the fact that Trump continues to put his name on things he doesn't own in an effort to make himself look richer than he actually is?
 
Manmademan said:
Most of PA's gambling locations are aimed squarely at locals. I can think of *maybe* one that isn't, but I haven't been there. PA isn't trying to create destination gambling resorts- their goal was to profit from the flow of elderly residents taking bus trips to A.C. to sit in front of slot machines.

That being said, Philadelphia *IS* finally building a giant casino complex right next to where all three of it's major sports stadiums are- that one IS absolutely going to be aimed squarely at high end tourist dollars and AC has no way to compete with that.





North Jersey casinos wouldn't add business, they would simply siphon it from AC further, accelerating that town's decline for no increase in net revenue, but draining millions from state dollars in the process to build them up.

Vegas works because the place itself is a destination outside of the casinos. There is nothing in North Jersey anyone gives a shit about, and casinos will not change that.

AC's mistake was investing in casinos to the exclusion of all else, leaving the surrounding AC area a complete shithole. This is not a joke, AC is frightening and dangerous in ways that Vegas is not. You go there for the casino of your choice and never leave the damned thing.

It may be time to admit that the jersey casino experiment is finished. With PA and NY residents building more casinos and loosening regulations it's only going to get worse.
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Parx and Delaware Park (with the latter having NFL parlay tickets available) cut off major routes for AC to get back on its feet. That really was the crowd that would flock to AC on the bus trips and weekend getaways.

I'm not sold on a touristy mega-casino in Philly but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Sugarhouse, Harrah's, Valley Forge, etc didn't make huge inroads but I can say without question, based on the number of withdrawals I see from my clients at 2999 Street Road, Parx is doing just fine.
 
I feel bad for the workers, and hope they land on their feet, but on the other hand, good, I hope he loses all of his businesses. I want to see him with nothing.
 
TarpitCarnivore said:
Even the areas around the casinos are a dump. You can sum up the current situation in Atlantic City with this single picture:

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This looks like one of my Tropico playthroughs
 
SPEA said:
This is my opinion. But the casinos relied to heavily on the older gambling crowd and never adjusted to younger and modern tastes. Las Vegas evolved. Not only can you gamble there, but it's also now one of the best places to see a show, eat, have a great drink, and even do family stuff.

In AC, when all the old people died, not enough of the younger generation came to keep these giant casinos afloat.
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sounds more like Reno or Laughlin than Vegas.
 
The Borgata is the best overall place in Atlantic City to see a show or concert, stay in a hotel room or gamble in the casino.

And it's NOT Trump-owned, thank goodness.
 
Stinkles said:
I stayed there in 04 or 05 and it was the worst proper hotel I've ever stayed at. Gaudy, unprofessional, dirty, inefficient and the lobby was basically glittering chaos. Checking in and out was an ordeal. Like a cruise ship.
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I was dragged there right around the time Trump had finished renovating it. Even as a kid I thought it was one of the tackiest displays of faux-wealth I'd ever seen. Also, I rode up the elevator with an 80 year old man and his two prostitutes. Family fun times.
 
jstripes said:
This photo illustrates one other specific thing that AC has running against it: What is the appeal of going there between October and April?
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Gambling? The casinos are self contained and walking between some isn't too much. But that's more to the crux of the problem: There is literally nothing else to the city other than casinos
 
SPEA said:
This is my opinion. But the casinos relied to heavily on the older gambling crowd and never adjusted to younger and modern tastes. Las Vegas evolved. Not only can you gamble there, but it's also now one of the best places to see a show, eat, have a great drink, and even do family stuff.

In AC, when all the old people died, not enough of the younger generation came to keep these giant casinos afloat.
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Yeah half of Vegas now seems to be food. There are a bunch of high end, amazing places to eat there.
 
SirClinksAlot said:
Yeah half of Vegas now seems to be food. There are a bunch of high end, amazing places to eat there.
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Yup. It's now one of best places in the country to eat now. All the big names have restaurants there. Jose Andres, Thomas Keller, Daniel Boulud, Mario Batali, Joel Robuchon, all have spots.
 
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
Can I at least make fun of the fact that Trump continues to put his name on things he doesn't own in an effort to make himself look richer than he actually is?
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Well...no, not really. It's often people sell their name off as a brand and the new owners choose to keep it. Trump legitimately has nothing to do with it. It's really a case of trying too hard to find reasons to jab at him.
 
SPEA said:
This is my opinion. But the casinos relied to heavily on the older gambling crowd and never adjusted to younger and modern tastes. Las Vegas evolved. Not only can you gamble there, but it's also now one of the best places to see a show, eat, have a great drink, and even do family stuff.

In AC, when all the old people died, not enough of the younger generation came to keep these giant casinos afloat.
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This is accurate as hell. I remember going back a few years ago and holy shit at how dead/old it felt. The mentality there feels like it's stuck in this weird limbo of late 90s to mid 00s.

I have a few family friends that worked in on the executive level of the casinos there. There really was no passing of the torch or setting up alot of these casinos into more family friendly stuff. Tropicana is the only one to "get it"and the ones running it actually have foresight since they use to manage a few casinos in Vegas and along the coast.
 
Atlantic City has some absolutely fascinating Art Deco architecture on the beachfront, which is kind of overshadowed by the random buildings and dilapidated city. I still think there's unique aspects and opportunities available with a boardwalk, but there isn't a cohesive flow to tie the community together.
 
VistraNorrez said:
Don't speak for me. I don't like anything that's going in the Meadowlands. I'm against all that shit there. The traffic is terrible and will only get worse if they decide to put casinos up there. Plus if AC can't handle casinos, how is opening more going to work? It's going to make things far worse in AC.
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I disagree;

If you have gambling in AC and North Jersey you are still keeping the people who would go down the shore to AC to gamble, and instead of having people in the Northern half of the state go to NY to gamble, they can remain in NJ.

I just find it funny there hasn't been mass law suits for fraud, tax evasion, and political kickbacks for the mess that is the Xanadu / American Dream complex.
 
NinjaMouse said:
Well...no, not really. It's often people sell their name off as a brand and the new owners choose to keep it. Trump legitimately has nothing to do with it. It's really a case of trying too hard to find reasons to jab at him.
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Trump's business model failed. It took down both the casino and put the final bullet in Atlantic City. Just because he unloaded it for pennies on the dollar doesn't absolve him of running it and AC into the ground well before that.

He's running on his alleged business acumen but his resume is full of failed businesses where creative accounting, tax breaks, and give backs to the rich saved his personal,wealth time and time again.
 
RPGCrazied said:
I feel bad for the workers, and hope they land on their feet, but on the other hand, good, I hope he loses all of his businesses. I want to see him with nothing.
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Trump Taj Mahal is owned by Carl Icahn and doesn't have anything to do with Trump anymore.
 
Lol loving all the shade being thrown at Trump for no reason. I guess it's the cool thing to do now?

Anyways AC is a shit hole aside from Borgata and even then you're trapped inside the casino because there's nothing to do outside of it. The projects are right near by and the boardwalk is super trashy.

It's only a matter of time before it all comes down. Hopefully NJ does something good with all that real estate because there's really no reason to ever visit NJ anymore except for maybe Mitsuwa.
 
Never understood the appeal of AC either. Even when I was a kid the joke was AC was just for old ladies who want to gamble their dead husbands life insurance or something like that. All I ever heard was that it is not that great.

-shrug-

Save it if you can especially for those who need the jobs but it sounds like this cities heyday has been over for a long time and everyone was too stubborn to say it.
 
It should probably be in the OP that Trump doesn't actually own this place anymore...it seems that many don't realize that.

Horrible thing for those people to have to lose their jobs, though.

If you DO want some interesting "fuck Trump" stuff, here's an article about the early days of the Taj. For 4 out of 16 days, they had $0 or less in their bank. It took...ONE year of being in business for them to declare Chapter 11. Also, Trump financed it with junk bonds when he was told not to, and also failed to pay out around $80 million to contractors who worked on the place for a long period of time. But indeed..that makes him smart.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/politics/donald-trump-atlantic-city-taj-mahal/?iid=EL
 
It's crazy... when Revel came I thought it was the beginning of some great things, but it really accelerated the end of Atlantic City as I knew it. I live on the beach about an hour north and there is no reason to go to AC other than to gamble and I much rather go to the sands in Pa or hit up Mohegan in Ct.

Sad because it was like the east coast Vegas ... now it is east Camden
 
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