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[ultracal31]

I'll give him a week before he does something that makes everyone start cursing him again.

A week? You're too kind

I'd say we'll curse him within 24 hours

 

[SpaceCadetKeon]

If the Republicans tried to impeach Trump, the Democrats would leap at the chance to make sure it happened.
Trump being removed from office would be devastating to the Republican party and lead to them getting destroyed in 2018 and 2020.

GOP are damned if they do, damned if they don't. I love it.

 

[Head of Vengarl]

Bernie supporters on my Facebook feed are painting this as the Dems (Pelosi and Schumer) being corrupt and making a deal with the devil, or something like that.

I say we take the fucking W when we can get one.

 

[BlackDoomShadow]

Very nervous about Dems acting like they won here. The fact that Trump is too stupid to understand that Pelosi and Schumer played him doesn't mean he's suddenly our friend. He will stab Dems in the back at the first possible opportunity.

 

[JABEE]

Trump apparently wants to make more deals with Democrats




HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Trump just flat out blew up in the Republicans' collective faces.

Trump’s biggest skill is abandoning sinking ships and screwing over everyone on board. The GOP is Atlantic City.

 

[Loxley]

Trump’s biggest skill is abandoning sinking ships and screwing over everyone on board. The GOP is Atlantic City.

Dude would be elbowing the throats of women and children if it meant he could get on the last life-boat off the Titanic.

 

[Matt]

Bernie supporters on my Facebook feed are painting this as the Dems (Pelosi and Schumer) being corrupt and making a deal with the devil, or something like that.

I say we take the fucking W when we can get one.

They are wrong, and represent the problem with all or nothing thinking.

Dems can only gain here. There is no downside to using him to pass good legislation.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I'll give him a week before he does something that makes everyone start cursing him again.

Never stopped. Trump being a useful idiot doesn't make him any less of a shitstain.

 

[Aaron Strife]

They are wrong, and represent the problem with all or nothing thinking.

Dems can only gain here. There is no downside to using him to pass good legislation.

Passing the DREAM Act now just takes one issue off the table for when there's another Democratic president. Those friends are on crack.

It doesn't matter whose ass is in the seat if that ass is making the right decisions.

 

[sir_kevith]

He always complains about the media and how no matter what he does, the media is just out to get him! Now he proves himself wrong and wants more lol. Gotta be careful with this guy.

 

[Ithil]

Very nervous about Dems acting like they won here. The fact that Trump is too stupid to understand that Pelosi and Schumer played him doesn't mean he's suddenly our friend. He will stab Dems in the back at the first possible opportunity.

Schumer and Pelosi aren't idiots. They aren't making friends with Trump here, they're manipulating him to get a favourable deal that benefits the Democrats.

 

[Cipherr]

But hey, let's get rid of Schumer and Pelosi because they're not in their 20s or 30s or something.

God I swear.... I really hated that people came for those two for no damn reason. I really hope they choke on this news.

Very nervous about Dems acting like they won here. The fact that Trump is too stupid to understand that Pelosi and Schumer played him doesn't mean he's suddenly our friend. He will stab Dems in the back at the first possible opportunity.

Dems did win. And absolutely none of the people that put this into place are stupid enough to think he is their friend. They are doing their jobs. The job we want them to do, which is limit the damage he deals as much as possible, and squeeze out a victory if the opportunity reveals itself. That is all.

That's literally all it is. It would be insane to ridicule them for doing exactly what they are supposed to do.

 

[HammerOfThor]

Lol if trump keeps this up the Republicans will have no reservations starting the impeachment proceedings since he's not useful to them at all

 

[Aaron Strife]

God I swear.... I really hated that people came for those two for no damn reason. I really hope they choke on this news.

To be fair, I wasn't sold on Schumer right away. He's really impressed me thus far as Minority Leader.

Pelosi has always had my support though. She was crazy effective as Speaker and has done about as well as can be reasonably expected in the minority. I've waffled before on whether she should step down to spare the party being dragged down by her poor approval ratings, but really there's no one who can take on that job and come out smelling like roses, and there's no one quite like her. I'm firmly in Team Pelosi until she decides to step down.

 

[Mass Effect]

Very nervous about Dems acting like they won here. The fact that Trump is too stupid to understand that Pelosi and Schumer played him doesn't mean he's suddenly our friend. He will stab Dems in the back at the first possible opportunity.

I think virtually every democratic congress member understands that; however, this is a prime opportunity to get some beneficial legislation passed with basically no downside.

 

[Netherscourge]

He's going to try to sneak his wall into that DACA bill isn't he?

He's going to trade the immigrant kids for his wall. That's what he'll do.

Mr. Big Deals: "I'll let the 800K Dreamers stay, if you enable funding for the wall in the budget."

 

[jiggle]

this is a prime opportunity to get some beneficial legislation passed with basically no downside.

But mah purity test!

 

[Generalpsyduck]

But mah purity test!

What are you talking about?

 

[snap]

He's going to try to sneak his wall into that DACA bill isn't he?

He's going to trade the immigrant kids for his wall. That's what he'll do.

Mr. Big Deals: "I'll let the 800K Dreamers stay, if you enable funding for the wall in the budget."

you do that, and then pull funding for it the moment you get the chance

 

[Dany]

What a dumb motherfucker.

 

[NoFaceNico]

during the next round of spending fights in December, when Congress will be under pressure to make a big year-end agreement before lawmakers go home for the holidays. Republicans know they can't pass an increase in the debt ceiling without Democratic votes, and the more frequently they have to do it, the more bargaining power Pelosi and Schumer have.

That's assuming Republicans want to avoid a government shutdown and that might not be a safe assumption to make with this administration. It's clear that the Dems don't want a shutdown and that could become their weakness. If the Republicans hold out long enough they could bring it down to the wire and force the Dems to come around. The Republicans are so chaotic right now I wouldn't put it past them to shutdown during a congressional break and blame it on the 'obstructionist' Dems, which their supporters would eagerly lap up.

I hope I'm wrong, thankfully Trump seems to back down the moment a grandiose plan starts to fall apart. But then again, every time I think "they're not dumb enough to actually ___________," that's when they do __________.

 

[Mass Effect]

But mah purity test!

(Responding to before you edited) for who? Trump or democrats? Either way, they can both fuck off. Trump supporters championed him as a "deal maker;" someone who can work with both sides. So when he actually does, and the Trumpets/Republicans want to label him a traitor or whatever nonsense? They can shut the hell up.

With democrats, those purity bastards are obnoxious and part of the reason we're having trouble winning elections. If there's an opportunity to get shit done without massive sacrifice (legislatively, not morally), then we damn well take it.

 

[KingV]

To be fair, I wasn't sold on Schumer right away. He's really impressed me thus far as Minority Leader.

Pelosi has always had my support though. She was crazy effective as Speaker and has done about as well as can be reasonably expected in the minority. I've waffled before on whether she should step down to spare the party being dragged down by her poor approval ratings, but really there's no one who can take on that job and come out smelling like roses, and there's no one quite like her. I'm firmly in Team Pelosi until she decides to step down.

Pelosi is damn near GOAT Minority Leader/Speaker. Trying to get keep a party together to get shit done when the are 100+ people all with different sets of priorities is a true skill, and she's a master at it.

Look at how much trouble Paul Ryan and Boehner have had over the years. Pelosi is a Democratic Party Treasure.

 

[shawnbuddy]

Doesn't this make Trump the cuck? It's odd how I haven't seen acknowledgment of this from people who usually throw around the term. There's a picture that looks like Trump and Schumer are hugging that'd be perfect for meme magic!

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Doesn't this make Trump the cuck? It's odd how I haven't seen acknowledgment of this from people who usually throw around the term. There's a picture that looks like Trump and Schumer are hugging that'd be perfect for meme magic!

Republicans because we stole their wife

 

[Squire]

Very nervous about Dems acting like they won here. The fact that Trump is too stupid to understand that Pelosi and Schumer played him doesn't mean he's suddenly our friend. He will stab Dems in the back at the first possible opportunity.

No one is saying he's their friend and the Dems aren't in power; He'd be stabbing at air. I mean, if he goes back on his word that says everything about him and nothing about Schumer, Pelosi, or Dems.

 

[Inuhanyou]

while i'm glad this hopefully doesn't lead to people being kicked out the country, this potential result is a horrible solution for these illegals who are essentially second class citizens with super restricted rights. DACA should not be turned into law, these folks should be fully citizens subject to all the rights and privileges of every other American. Can you imagine having to pay 500 bucks every other year just to stay in your own country just because you were not born here?

 

[Cerium]

while i'm glad this hopefully doesn't lead to people being kicked out the country, this potential result is a horrible solution for these illegals who are essentially second class citizens with super restricted rights. DACA should not be turned into law, these folks should be fully citizens subject to all the rights and privileges of every other American. Can you imagine having to pay 500 bucks every year just to stay in your own country just because you were not born here?

DACA (an executive action) is actually just shorthand here for the DREAM Act which would include a path to permanent residency.

 

[Inuhanyou]

DACA (an executive action) is actually just shorthand here for the DREAM Act which would include a path to permanent residency.

So in the hypothetical bill, there would be a logical path towards citizenship for these folks? If that's true, that's great!

 

[Cerium]

So in the hypothetical bill, there would be a logical path towards citizenship for these folks? If that's true, that's great!

Permanent residency, not citizenship.

Although once you are a permanent resident I think it's possible to gain citizenship through existing means.

 

[numble]

while i'm glad this hopefully doesn't lead to people being kicked out the country, this potential result is a horrible solution for these illegals who are essentially second class citizens with super restricted rights. DACA should not be turned into law, these folks should be fully citizens subject to all the rights and privileges of every other American. Can you imagine having to pay 500 bucks every other year just to stay in your own country just because you were not born here?

Read the DREAM Act.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

Look at how much trouble Paul Ryan and Boehner have had over the years. Pelosi is a Democratic Party Treasure.

Current republicans suck at governing. They just know how to obstruct and take special interest money from the oil industry. They're only good at mobilizing their racist base through campaigns built on identity politics. Also good at making it so only their constituents can vote.

 

[fredrancour]

So in the hypothetical bill, there would be a logical path towards citizenship for these folks? If that's true, that's great!

Permanent residency is the normal green card status of "be a law-abiding citizen for a decade and pass a test to become a citizen"

 

[Ekai]

What are you talking about?

The idea that leftists are dirty/evil for having any reservations about any of this or any of the people involved. "Purity test" is just hollow rhetoric used by centrists to disparage leftists who have legitimate criticism as a means to dismiss said critique. That's all.

As I said earlier in the thread, I await to hear who or what Dems will compromise away for this. Who knows,maybe they'll frickin surprise me for once.

It's as good as it can be so far but I can't help but be wary knowing the people involved/past Dem behavior.

 

[obijkenobi]

That's assuming Republicans want to avoid a government shutdown and that might not be a safe assumption to make with this administration. It's clear that the Dems don't want a shutdown and that could become their weakness. If the Republicans hold out long enough they could bring it down to the wire and force the Dems to come around. The Republicans are so chaotic right now I wouldn't put it past them to shutdown during a congressional break and blame it on the 'obstructionist' Dems, which their supporters would eagerly lap up.

I hope I'm wrong, thankfully Trump seems to back down the moment a grandiose plan starts to fall apart. But then again, every time I think "they're not dumb enough to actually ___________," that's when they do __________.

The GOP got slammed hard by public opinion laat time it happened and now they control all 3 branches. No way do they want it shut down.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Permanent residency, not citizenship.

Although once you are a permanent resident I think it's possible to gain citizenship through existing means.

Even if it's not, it's easy enough for a future Dem Congress + President to change. IIRC this came up with the immigration reform bill where Republicans included a provision that legalized immigrants couldn't actually become citizens, and Democrats were just like "meh whatever, we can undo that later."

 

[Cerium]

Trump gets cozy with Democrats, and Republicans say ‘I told you so'

Trump tends to govern more by sentiment than by substance, and he likes Schumer and Pelosi more than House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who have stomached him but never done a good job disguising the fact that he makes them nauseous.

”For the Republican leadership to keep thinking Donald Trump is on their team is like Charlie Brown letting Lucy hold the football," said Matthew Continetti, editor-in-chief of the Washington Free Beacon. ”Have people not been watching Donald Trump for two years?"

The president's thinking wasn't complicated. The administration had been pressing Congress to raise the debt ceiling for months and Republican leaders had promised to do so before the August recess, according to a senior administration official. The president was frustrated when that didn't happen and he wanted to strike a deal, even if it outraged the leaders of his own party.

The larger question is how long Trump's love fest with the Democrats lasts – and what the costs might be for his betrayal of his own party. In the meantime, Democrats and Republicans alike are left wondering whether Wednesday's deal was a one-off or a signal of a longer-term strategy on the president's part.

”I think it's more likely that he's going to be calling Chuck Schumer names on Twitter in the next 10 days," said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.). ”But I think there's a chance. Maybe he sees some benefit to working with us a little bit more."

A senior White House aide conceded that the president's relationship with Congress operates on a feedback loop – what happens in one conversation can affect all the others. In this case, a further erosion of trust between Trump and Republican leaders comes after the painful demise of efforts to repeal Obamacare—which many on the Hill believe the president helped undermine by calling the House bill ”mean"—and just as Trump embarks on his next big legislative push.

”If this means the beginning of a turn toward more cooperation with the Democrats, it could have enormous implications, although I don't know that the Democrats are really free to work with him and I don't know what they would really be trying to gain substantively from working with him," said Yuval Levin, the editor of the policy journal National Affairs.

Trump, jovial after debt deal, turns meeting into a freewheeling affair

President Donald Trump repeatedly said Thursday how thrilled he was to strike a deal on the debt ceiling with Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader he has accused of shedding "fake tears" and whom he once called a ”head clown."

In an Oval Office meeting with the New York and New Jersey congressional delegations, he repeatedly shook Schumer's hand and kept him after for a private session, his third chat with the Democrat in 30 hours.

He praised Gov. Andrew Cuomo — who also attended the meeting and who has often torched Trump but without mentioning his name — for his work on the Tappan Zee Bridge and other New York projects. ”My governor!" he said to Cuomo, according to Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican.

During the meeting, he repeatedly told the room how happy he was to work with Schumer on a debt deal, a move that has angered many Republicans. Trump surprised his own party by agreeing on Wednesday to a three-month extension of the debt ceiling, overruling leadership and his treasury secretary.

”He looked at me and said, ‘What kind of impact do you think it had?'" King said. ”I told him I thought it was fantastic and we needed more of it." Others in the room agreed.

One attendee said Trump told the room that the deal would bring in a new bipartisan spirit. ”He said after yesterday, we're going to do things in a bipartisan way," this person said, describing Trump's comments. ”No one really knows what we announced, but it was bipartisan."

The president, though, had one gripe, after his visit from the emir of Kuwait on Thursday afternoon. He was very impressed by the emir's plane but noted that it was longer than his — maybe even by 100 feet.

 

[Ithil]

Trump gets cozy with Democrats, and Republicans say ‘I told you so'





Trump, jovial after debt deal, turns meeting into a freewheeling affair

It's hilarious how he has zero long term memory. All his opinions of people, events or concepts around him are just "Whatever happened the last time I interacted with them".
This week he's buddy buddy with Schumer, next week it'll be some Republican, etc.

It's why he has zero consistency on any policies or opinions over the years, it's because he has no views or positions of his own.

 

[NoFaceNico]

The GOP got slammed hard by public opinion laat time it happened and now they control all 3 branches. No way do they want it shut down.

Does not compute.

 

[Demoskinos]

Trump apparently wants to make more deals with Democrats




HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Trump just flat out blew up in the Republicans' collective faces.

"He picked up the phone and called the two Democratic congressional leaders, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York and Representative Nancy Pelosi of California. “The press has been incredible,” he gushed to Ms. Pelosi, according to someone briefed on their call."

Well that just says it all really. As long as he gets positive press and his ego stroked he will be more than happy to work with the Dems. Because deep down Donald isn't a Republican or a Democrat he is just a Trump and he loves himself more than anything.

 

[jerry113]

Trump apparently wants to make more deals with Democrats




HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Trump just flat out blew up in the Republicans' collective faces.

She said she also asked Mr. Trump to make certain that the Department of Homeland Security did not target the young immigrants. “He said, ‘Are they doing that?” she said. “I said, ‘That is what is being reported to me, and I want to make sure that they don’t.’”

what in the world

 

[30yearsofhurt]

So is this "the pivot" yet?

 

[entremet]

The idea that leftists are dirty/evil for having any reservations about any of this or any of the people involved. "Purity test" is just hollow rhetoric used by centrists to disparage leftists who have legitimate criticism as a means to dismiss said critique. That's all.

As I said earlier in the thread, I await to hear who or what Dems will compromise away for this. Who knows,maybe they'll frickin surprise me for once.

It's as good as it can be so far but I can't help but be wary knowing the people involved/past Dem behavior.

Compromise is built into the system. I don’t get why Dems get dinged for compromising when they have no majorities or branches in control.

 

[Ithil]

So is this "the pivot" yet?

No, he has zero loyalty, zero consistency and zero commitment. He praises whoever the most recent person to please him was, and insults whoever the most recent person to displease him was. This could be the exact same person in either category in two different weeks.

He's the most easy person to manipulate.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Permanent residency, not citizenship.

Although once you are a permanent resident I think it's possible to gain citizenship through existing means.

So...they still have to jump through hoops and can't even vote.

lol.

 

[Cerium]

So...they still have to jump through hoops and can't even vote.

lol.

Legal immigrants tend to become permanent residents before they become citizens, I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. It's not some shameful status. My parents were permanent residents before they were citizens.

 

[Sarye]

So...they still have to jump through hoops and can't even vote.

lol.

permanent resident (green card) is the first step before you can become a citizen for any immigrant in the US. The fastest turn around time from PR to Citizenship is 3 years through marriage but typically it is 5 years. Keep in mind that once you are a PR, you are for the most part American.. you have the right to live in the US indefinitely...

There are some restrictions yes.. You can't vote, and you cannot be a criminal, cannot serve on a jury. But, lots of people are fine remaining a PR even though they could get citizenship.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Cucked by Chuck.

 

[QuantumZebra]

It's hilarious how he has zero long term memory. All his opinions of people, events or concepts around him are just "Whatever happened the last time I interacted with them".
This week he's buddy buddy with Schumer, next week it'll be some Republican, etc.

It's why he has zero consistency on any policies or opinions over the years, it's because he has no views or positions of his own.

This post is so dead-on.

Any psychological/sociological read of Trump easily comes away with the conclusion that he is fed by his own ego and short-term memory when it comes to how he feels.

He will be for something one day and against it tomorrow depending on who he talked to that night.

As much as I hate to say it, that is why him getting impeached is bad. If Pence takes over , Democrats and Independents will see a religious shitshow get ramrodded into the U.S. government.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

It's hilarious how he has zero long term memory. All his opinions of people, events or concepts around him are just "Whatever happened the last time I interacted with them".
This week he's buddy buddy with Schumer, next week it'll be some Republican, etc.

It's why he has zero consistency on any policies or opinions over the years, it's because he has no views or positions of his own.

Except if it's anything to do with Obama or Clinton.

For whatever reason he'll bite down to the end with them