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[plagiarize]

I get why people lose interest in the new characters or stuff going on in Vegas, but damn I feel sorry for people like that. The stuff going on in Vegas is fantastic. Candie is amazing.

This was an episode where a lot of bad stuff happened or was set in motion, so I get why people might not have liked it. I get why people would be upset that things have gotten so bad in Twin Peaks. One murder shocked the whole time, and Richard is pretty much on a goddamn rampage and no one seems to have reacted to it (at least yet).

But that's what Margaret is talking about.

Of course the Return is different to what they had planned in 1992. The world is a very different place in 2017.

Also, I hope people can enjoy Dougie for himself. It took me a couple of episodes to get over what happened to Coop when his brain got fried, but the Dougie scenes are incredible. I expect many people to turn around on them once Coop is restored and they rewatch them all.

How can you not be invested in the Jones family?

And Constance and Albert under a tree... f u c well, you know.

 

[TheKastorian]

Absolutely love the show. A few reasons why I think this week's musical performance at the Roadhouse was important.

- Rebekah's dress has a Red Room floor pattern design.

- The lyrics of the song are directly referencing to some sort of re-union at Twin Peaks with something ominous approaching fast.

- David Lynch was credited with writing/co-writing the lyrics to the song.

Taking into account the Log Lady's cryptic message and the above, shit's going at Twin Peaks!

 

[Slime]

With all that talk of THE MOON and THE GLOW from the Log Lady, I was hoping for a Phil Eleverum performance. The singer from Mulholland Drive doing a song written by David Lynch works too, though.

But seriously, this guy needs to be on the show!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B55C3LfFBMg

 

[yepyepyep]

But that's what Margaret is talking about.

Of course the Return is different to what they had planned in 1992. The world is a very different place in 2017.

It kind of makes sense. Small towns are dying in modern times. Drug abuse and white mortality have significantly risen in the ensuing decades. It seems pretty relevant that Twin Peaks is a shit hole with none of the romanticism from the past.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I'm still laughing about the whole sending Candie out to the casino floor and the resulting WHAT THE FUCK response

 

[EatChildren]

Fucking hilarious episode. Holy shit everything with the casino gangsters was just wonderfully absurd.

 

[Real Hero]

That doesn't make it any better though. The criticism is still justified. It's called TWIN PEAKS season 3.
The original Twin Peaks feeling is gone. And it's not coming back it seems. This feels more like a spiritual successor.

This is something new, like twin peaks was when it came out. It's being more like twin peaks by not actually being just more twin peaks. You don't have to like it though

 

[Frank West]

Fire Walk With was original Twin Peaks and this feels A LOT like that.

Also this isn't called Twin Peaks Season 3. Its officially called Twin Peaks: The Return. It's not a third season.

Expecting it to feel like a early 90s network tv show is absurd. Just look how different it felt in FWWM one year after the show ended when it was no longer constrained by network TV and could be unfiltered Lynch.

FWWM is more Twin Peaks than the new season. You know....it's set in Twin Peaks the whole time. You have all the old characters in important roles....

This season...it's nothing like Twin Peaks. The old characters...well some of them....are here but it's pointless. They don't add anything to the show so far, there are no real sub-plots that involve the original characters. It feels like fan service. Oh you want Jerry? Here's Jerry. Oh you want Johnny? Here's Johnny.
I don't care about all the old characters because there's just nothing happening.

And I don't like the argument that creating the 90's feeling is impossible now. It is not, especially for David Lynch.

We have a third season that is called Twin Peaks, we have all the old actors/characters and we have a continuation of the story that ended 25 years ago. Yet if feels nothing like Twin Peaks, it misses a lot of the old charm and music and most of the characters feel wasted and out of place.

I actually got a lot of Twin Peaks vibes in this episode. The characters, the interactions etc. Obviously it's different, but I can see plenty of connections to the types of people that inhabit the Twin Peaks world.

There is some Twin Peaks charm burried somewhere but it doesn't come close.
Again, I love Lynch and and like season 3 but compared to season 1+2 this is a huge disappointment.

Twin Peaks (for me) never came back. It still died in 1991.
This is a show similar to Twin Peaks but that's it.
And that makes me sad.

 

[Discotheque]

I see the criticisms about not wanting music performances at the end of (almost) every episode as it takes away screentime from other things and also becomes formulaic/predictable. and it's an understandable opinion to have.

but I've found them to be really comforting closers to this show so far after a hilarious and creepy 55+ minutes every week. it sets the mood well. a nice wide range of performers and also it leads to sometimes fucking with our expectations like those few times we got some narrative scenes alongside the musical performances as opposed to just ending on a song.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I get why people lose interest in the new characters or stuff going on in Vegas, but damn I feel sorry for people like that. The stuff going on in Vegas is fantastic. Candie is amazing.

This was an episode where a lot of bad stuff happened or was set in motion, so I get why people might not have liked it. I get why people would be upset that things have gotten so bad in Twin Peaks. One murder shocked the whole time, and Richard is pretty much on a goddamn rampage and no one seems to have reacted to it (at least yet).

But that's what Margaret is talking about.

Of course the Return is different to what they had planned in 1992. The world is a very different place in 2017.

Also, I hope people can enjoy Dougie for himself. It took me a couple of episodes to get over what happened to Coop when his brain got fried, but the Dougie scenes are incredible. I expect many people to turn around on them once Coop is restored and they rewatch them all.

How can you not be invested in the Jones family?

And Constance and Albert under a tree... f u c well, you know.

GORDON'S FACE!!!!

God that was pure delight.

Also though for some reason Laura in the doorway was so horrifically scary. I couldn't breathe until it disappeared wtf

 

[Blader]

This episode was the first one where I thought to myself, maybe it's better if Cooper doesn't return to normal. Not because I don't want to see Cooper again, but because his life as Dougie seems to be sort of a happy ending for the guy. After spending 25 years living in purgatory, he gets to enjoy a relative consequences-free life and have sex with Naomi Watts. Not bad!

 

[Sebastian Suola]

I see the criticisms about not wanting music performances at the end of (almost) every episode as it takes away screentime from other things and also becomes formulaic/predictable. and it's an understandable opinion to have.

It doesn't take away time from anything though. This series was supposed to be 9 episodes. It doubled to 18. The music performances are there to fill time, not to take it away.

I want to say something about this thread. I've been reading this since day one (and page one). Lately, it has been harder and harder too read. So many people just want to judge the series for what it's not, instead of judging the series for what it is. It's really depressing to read. I get it: It's harder to actually talk about substance and what's on the screen and what it might mean. It's much easier to just complain and speculate about what kind of person Lynch is and what was intentional and what wasn't and how Lynch is this and that. It's all completely pointless. I think I'm going to take a long break from this thread.

 

[PizzaFace]

FWWM is more Twin Peaks than the new season. You know....it's set in Twin Peaks the whole time. You have all the old characters in important roles....

Erm...no it isn't

 

[giancarlo123x]

This episode was the first one where I thought to myself, maybe it's better if Cooper doesn't return to normal. Not because I don't want to see Cooper again, but because his life as Dougie seems to be sort of a happy ending for the guy. After spending 25 years living in purgatory, he gets to enjoy a relative consequences-free life and have sex with Naomi Watts. Not bad!

Consequence free? The casino guys are coming. Watch Naomi watts bite the bullet line many women have in this series and causes dougie to go crazy.

 

[Discotheque]

i'm gonna be pretty upset if Janey E or Sonny Jim get whacked. I'm dreading it happening in this show.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

People want faster plot development, I understand, but it's been stated time and time again that this is 18 parts of one thing, and I don't know how much more clear the show can make that considering the compressed passage of time and how sequences have been rolled out episode to episode. Halfway through, the pacing is set. Even if your expectations have been crushed, it's pointless to keep hoping for something you will not get.



Anyway, I liked the episode. This is basically a late 90s Lynch crime story unfolding on premium TV in 2017, and I'm 100% down with this. We got some A1 criminal scum scenes in this episode from Richard, some ridiculous Dougie sex comedy with amazing facial expressions by MacLachlan, Jim Belushi and Robert Knepper's Mitchum Brothers getting into the "Kill Dougie Sweepstakes" (they are great together btw), random Laura Palmer jump scare vision, possible confirmation on Diane's heel turn, DoppelCoop connected to the glass box, a classic Log Lady monologue, more of these weird ass showgirls, and the gotdamn Club Silencio woman singing a song wearing a Waiting Room floor dress. I'm ok with all of this.

Things are being meticulously set up to collide throughout the remainder of the season, and I, for one, am enjoying watching it all happen.

 

[31GhostsIV]

i'm gonna be pretty upset if Janey E or Sonny Jim get whacked. I'm dreading it happening in this show.

If Janey-E does get killed though, the shock (and failure to protect) will likely bring some memories flooding back for Cooper, so I have a feeling that's where this is going unfortunately.

 

[Frank West]

Erm...no it isn't

Right I forgot about the beginning, lol.

edit: Anyways. this is not classic Twin Peaks. It's completely different from season 1+ 2. No one can deny it, right? It's something that tries to copy Twin Peaks but fails. Don't get me wrong ...I like it but I have to say that it doesn't make a difference if this season 3 exists or not. So far it doesn't add anything interesting to the story from season 1 + 2.
The cooper story is not interesting anymore, it's frustrating. The old characters are often fan service and are not important for the plot. The plot itself is ....I don't know what it is...but so far it's pointless. Twin Peaks was about Laura Palmer and Dale Cooper. Both are missing so far (10 episodes in). Oh and as much as I like Robert Forster....the sheriff department is not the same without Ontkean.

 

[mariachi507]

I can understand someone not liking this iteration of the show. However, if there was ever a show that shouldn't be limited by creativity it's this one. While this version may feel different it is most definitely still Twin Peaks. The franchise has always shown itself to evolve from the Pilot, to the first season, second season, the finale, and the movie. Even if you're not a fan of all of the original run, it was still always Twin Peaks. After 25 years the show had to evolve even further. I'm considerably grateful that The Return hasn't been just nostalgia/fan service driven by featuring coffee, donuts, smooth jazz, and a murder mystery. That kind of lightning only strikes once, and even the original run proved that by not be able to get by on just another mystery and quirky character moments. It had to grow. Just compare the pilot to the season 2 finale or the movie.

As I said, I can understand if the new Peaks isn't your thing, but I've seen numerous comments since the show came back about how it isn't Twin Peaks anymore. If it's not, then this is still the most Twin Peaks thing I've watched since Twin Peaks.

 

[Solo]

Janey-E give two rides.

This was just the greatest.

 

[g11]

If Janey-E does get killed though, the shock (and failure to protect) will likely bring some memories flooding back for Cooper, so I have a feeling that's where this is going unfortunately.

I hope not. After Episode 10 a little part of me was hoping Dougie Cooper doesn't wake up and he just lives happily ever after with Janey-E and Sonny Jim. He deserves it.

Also, what the fuck is with their names? Janey-E Jones and Sonny Jim Jones? Is that not weird to anyone else?

 

[giancarlo123x]

Dougie... Dougie... Dougie... DOUGIIIIIIIIEEEEREEEEREEEEEERREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

I am one of the people who don't care that it's not like Twin Peaks (in fact, I was hoping for it to be more like FWWM if anything else) but the main reason I dislike this season is because of the editing, the pacing, the lack of an interesting centralized story (seriously, at this point I couldn't care less about Cooper returning) and most importantly a lack of authentic character moments.

I've expressed this in the thread after past episodes but... Every scene is cryptic. Every person feels like a hollow shell reciting a line written by Lynch rather than a character expressing their desire or intentions. Every scene and plotline feels like the old banker in the season 2 finale, where Lynch trolls the audience and their patience.

In past surrealist films, Lynch was actually able to capture emotions and give them an audiovisual representation. Jealousy, insecurities, envy, rage, sadness, all this had personality and was presented with a unique style. In past films with a straightforward narrative, Lynch was able to give us strong character moments and storylines. I feel like Lynch is giving us neither now. There are a few moments of his brilliance (episode 8, at least as a standalone episode, was incredible) but it's surrounded by episodes and scenes where even the most patient and devoted fans of the show question his intentions.

It's not gripping in the slightest, to me. It just feels off. And a lot of it feels self-indulgent and contrived.

 

[Joqu]

hey, I'm sure this has been mentioned somewhere, but I was going to rewatch the pilot and I noticed a familiar line...

https://youtu.be/m0pwzVOW4_U?t=1m13s

I just thought that was interesting.

Heh, I figured it was a reference to that log lady intro of sorts. I'm really glad we got more Catherine Coulson, I just sort of figured we had seen all the material they had filmed of her. ;_;


Episode-wise I guess I did think this was one of the weaker ones, though I still enjoyed it quite a bit. Some good criminals doing crime things, Richard's crime spree was very disturbing. I'm really not that interested in the casino sub-plot, but it had some rather strong comedy in it so that was enjoyable.

Stuff like the Jacoby scene and the few seconds of Jerry felt really out of place to me this episode though, I was really hoping we'd get something different from Nadine this time.

Also, I know it was the Club Silencio singer and the lyrics were relevant which made it interesting, but the song really didn't do much for me musically. Bummer.

 

[Frank West]

I am one of the people who don't care that it's not like Twin Peaks (in fact, I was hoping for it to be more like FWWM if anything else) but the main reason I dislike this season is because of the editing, the pacing, the lack of an interesting centralized story (seriously, at this point I couldn't care less about Cooper returning) and most importantly a lack of authentic character moments.

I've expressed this in the thread after past episodes but... Every scene is cryptic. Every person feels like a hollow shell reciting a line written by Lynch rather than a character expressing their desire or intentions. Every scene and plotline feels like the old banker in the season 2 finale, where Lynch trolls the audience and their patience.

In past surrealist films, Lynch was actually able to capture emotions and give them an audiovisual representation. Jealousy, insecurities, envy, rage, sadness, all this had personality and was presented with a unique style. In past films with a straightforward narrative, Lynch was able to give us strong character moments and storylines. I feel like Lynch is giving us neither now. There are a few moments of his brilliance (episode 8, at least as a standalone episode, was incredible) but it's surrounded by episodes and scenes where even the most patient and devoted fans of the show question his intentions.

It's not gripping in the slightest, to me. It just feels off. And a lot of it feels self-indulgent and contrived.

Yeah that's the problem. I love Lynch and all of his films but he shouldn't have done that to Twin Peaks. Hell, I love FWWM and I would be so happy if the new season was like FWWM.

To me Twin Peaks was about the characters, the different likable or unlikable characters. Now it's all about a mysterious story, the old characters of Twin Peaks vanished. Except Hawk everyone acts like a completely different person (Dougie jokes incoming).
This is not cool. Even if it's 25 years later, this is still the same town. These are still the same people living in that town...but now everyone acts like they were replaced by modern Lynch-characters.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

For the people complaining about the weekly music numbers at the Roadhouse "taking up screen time": all but a couple of them have taken place with the end credits rolling over the top of them. Pretty much every show on premium cable TV has a hand-picked song play under the end credits every week on a black screen. The only difference with Peaks is that you're actually seeing the performance during the credits. They're not really taking that much measurable time away from the body of the episodes.

Except Hawk everyone acts like a completely different person (Dougie jokes incoming).

I disagree. Andy, Lucy, Jacoby, Shelly, Norma, Albert, Cole, Hawk, Benjamin and Bobby all are either the same as they were in the original series, or stand as examples of logical progression for their characters.

 

[GlassEmpires]

For the people complaining about the weekly music numbers at the Roadhouse "taking up screen time": all but a couple of them have taken place with the end credits rolling over the top of them. Pretty much every show on premium cable TV has a hand-picked song play under the end credits every week on a black screen. The only difference with Peaks is that you're actually seeing the performance during the credits. They're not really taking that much measurable time away from the body of the episodes.

And what else could be done aside from setting up a reason/cliffhanger at the end of an episode then cutting to Laura Palmer's picture with her theme or maybe the musical performance? I'm loving these ending performances as a way of decompressing after dealing with some fucked up shit. And when the show is early that means show really fucked up shit is coming up.

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

I am one of the people who don't care that it's not like Twin Peaks (in fact, I was hoping for it to be more like FWWM if anything else) but the main reason I dislike this season is because of the editing, the pacing, the lack of an interesting centralized story (seriously, at this point I couldn't care less about Cooper returning) and most importantly a lack of authentic character moments.

This is such a huge part of it. There are so many plotlines that keep returning with no development or consequences.

"The Return" feels like somebody took extensive plot summaries of FWWM and Mulholland Drive, filtered them through Inland Empire, and then hired an 800-pound man to do an audio-book of the whole thing. The man has respiratory issues, so he can only read for 60 minutes a week and needs to take 2 minute breaks during every scene. In addition, his little sister is a musician and he expects you to listen to at least one of her 2-8 minute songs every week.

 

[VistraNorrez]

Fans are welcome to dislike it and criticize it as something that doesn't work for them, but they cannot deligitimize it. The show is Twin Peaks.

I am personally very emotionally invested in this season. It's hitting just about all the right cords.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Gordon Cole's weird hug with Diane outside the prison makes more sense now btw.

 

[liquidtmd]

Also, I hope people can enjoy Dougie for himself. It took me a couple of episodes to get over what happened to Coop when his brain got fried, but the Dougie scenes are incredible. I expect many people to turn around on them once Coop is restored and they rewatch them all.

How can you not be invested in the Jones family?

I dunno, I'm still having a good time with the show overall but for nearly 8 hours we've watched a man for the most part wander round and repeat the last few words of the characters he's been in proximity to.

MacLachlan has been immensely watchable but I'm really of the opinion Dougie's schtick should have wrapped up at least an episode back.

I actually think if they don't restore Coop until the last episode it will actually diminish rewatches

 

[benicillin]

I think waiting a week for every episode is driving a lot of people crazy. I tend to bulk-watch episodes and am not nearly as frustrated as some folks seem to be here.

This season is going to be the best binge watch ever.

 

[munchie64]

Janey-E raped Dougie by the way. No way could he give consent.

Disgusting.

That was beautiful love making.

Poor Sonny Jim.

 

[hughesta]

the Jerry stuff is clearly going somewhere. Every single episode they take a little time to remind us that he's tripping his ass off lost in the woods.

 

[Chitown B]

it turning out that Evil Cooper raped Audrey would be the most heartbreaking thing in the show for me. Such a total flip from her and Dale's original relationship.

But I could see her thinking it was Cooper, who she always wanted, and wanting it - and then now we have Richard..... Maybe she slipped into a coma after that.

Was Diane corrupted by Bad Coop, or is it possible Bad Coop managed to get Diane’s Doppelganger?

Also, I think Richard is Bad Coops evil coma rape son.

I personally think he has something over her, like "i'll kill your family if you don't go along".

I hope at least.

 

[31GhostsIV]

I hope not. After Episode 10 a little part of me was hoping Dougie Cooper doesn't wake up and he just lives happily ever after with Janey-E and Sonny Jim. He deserves it.

Also, what the fuck is with their names? Janey-E Jones and Sonny Jim Jones? Is that not weird to anyone else?

I'm still expecting the jackrabbit palace meeting to be the 'club silencio' moment of the series. I have a feeling a lot of these plot points are going to get turned on their head.

 

[Dan-o]

I loved the Rebekah Del Rio song.

 

[Frank West]

For the people complaining about the weekly music numbers at the Roadhouse "taking up screen time": all but a couple of them have taken place with the end credits rolling over the top of them. Pretty much every show on premium cable TV has a hand-picked song play under the end credits every week on a black screen. The only difference with Peaks is that you're actually seeing the performance during the credits. They're not really taking that much measurable time away from the body of the episodes.



I disagree. Andy, Lucy, Jacoby, Shelly, Norma, Albert, Cole, Hawk, Benjamin and Bobby all are either the same as they were in the original series, or stand as examples of logical progression for their characters.

I think we didn't see enough of Shelly, Norma, Benjamin or Bobby to come to this conclusion. And that's a huge problem of this season. Lynch shows us Norma and Shelly....and then they're gone for the next 4-5 episodes. Lynch shows us Bobby .....and he's gone for the next 6-7 episodes.
They don't have a story background anymore...they are living shells and they are only there to tell us (the audience) a mysterious story about Briggs and Bob or BadCoop. It's like a new season of The Walking Dead, lol.

Last episode:
"Oh look, Benjamin is here!"
*Benjamin walks to a corner in a room*

Next episode:
"Oh, there he is again!"
*Benjamin walks to a corner in a room*

This is not the Benjamin Horne I know. This is not the Benjamin Horne from Twin Peaks. I don't know who or what he is. The same can be said about Andy or Lucy or Jacoby. It just doesn't feel right.

I agree with you on Albert & Cole though.

I don't know if Lynch is just trolling everyone...if he is...well he succeeded.

 

[VistraNorrez]

Many of David Lynch's films have musical performances. Eraserhead has the Lady in the Radiator. Blue Velvet has Dorothy singing Blue Velvet. Wild at Heart has Nic Cage singing Elvis. Lost Highway has Bill Pullman Jazz Sax performance. Mulholland Dr. has the 2 50s songs plus Club Silencio. Inland Empire has the Locomotion scene and ends with a musical performance over the credits. I'm sure I'm missing something.

So the performances in Twin Peaks, old and new, are par for the course. It's clear each performance has overall thematic relevance to the show, even if not the specific Part, but he's also used them to mess with expectation. Not all of them are end credit songs, not all of them are uninterrupted, and some Parts dont have them at all.

 

[31GhostsIV]

If (eventually... hopefully) Coop isn't Dougie anymore and Bad Coop is vanquished, then surely Good Coop is held responsible for the bad things Bad Coop has done? How do they get around that?

 

[Cheebo]

I don't know if Lynch is just trolling everyone...if he is...well he succeeded.

If that was the case the show wouldn't have such near universal praise and love from critics and fans. Critically nearly evert pisode has gotten really great reviews. And amongst the major Twin Peak fan communities online it is easily 10 to 1 in favor of loving this season over not liking it.

The vast majority of fans who are watching are embracing this season, that is a fact.

This show is the show Twin Peaks would have been if Lynch had full creative control and wasn't tied down by network restraints.

This is much more in common with the work of Lynch's films. Which is why you see such praise. It is safe to say most Peaks fans are Lynch fans first, Peaks second.

 

[Zach]

This episode has been the weakest of this season.

First one I haven't enjoyed so far, simultaneously unpleasant and incredibly boring.

Suppose it's a connective one tho.

Mmhmm, mmhmm.

Is that Rebekah del Rio?

Just looked it up, yep, Rebekah del Rio - No Stars

Best ending jam so far ❤

Song reminds me of the one featured in Mulholland Drive

Can't hold a candle to "Llorando." And of course that episode ends with Moby all up on my TV.

Pbbt. Not a great episode. Bring on the rest!

 

[Frank West]

If that was the case the show wouldn't have such near universal praise and love from critics and fans. Critically nearly evert pisode has gotten really great reviews. And amongst the major Twin Peak fan communities online it is easily 10 to 1 in favor of loving this season over not liking it.

The vast majority of fans who are watching are embracing this season, that is a fact.

This show is the show Twin Peaks would have been if Lynch had full creative control and wasn't tied down by network restraints.

This is much more in common with the work of Lynch's films. Which is why you see such praise. It is safe to say most Peaks fans are Lynch fans first, Peaks second.

I love this show, I even love this third season. I love all of his movies and I would call myself a huge Fan of his work. But I still don't like what he has done to Twin Peaks. Old Twin Peaks is far superior to his current version / vision.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Enjoyed the episode but that was my least favorite musical performance so far. The autotune, bad lip-syncing and too on-the-nose LOOK IT'S THE RED ROOM FLOOR dress were really distracting.

 

[hughesta]

what autotune

 

[Chitown B]

I loved the Rebekah Del Rio song.

Disagree. It was beyond terrible. Autotuned, repetitive, yuck.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

what autotune

Literally all of it with baked fake vibrato? Awful.

 

[Zach]

I agree with the discussion a couple pages back about the depiction of women being a bit questionable. It really stood out in that last episode, but we'll see where it goes.

It would be real cool if this thread didn't have to devolve into bitter arguing every week.

This would be wonderful, too.

 

[Zach]

I don't know. Yes women are often victims in his work but many also are empowered. Or it's not their fault they are victims. I don't think he ever blames any of these women for the suffering they receive. I don't know if Lynch's on screen surrogates are a sort of wish fulfillment there to save the day.

Most of the men in his movies aren't good people either. Most are actively terrible. I think McLachlan's characters are the only genuinely good men in any of his movies. And even then they make plenty of mistakes.

But women seem to love working with him. I really want to look up interviews with all his leading ladies and see what they say about the characters they've portrayed. We know Sheryl Lee has talked about how victims of abuse thank her for FWWM.

I want to say it's more complicated than you think, but I need to look into it more.

As for the new series, not passing judgement on these female characters yet. I have no idea how these stories play out. Lynch often upends everything we know about characters.

This, too. Mmhmm. Yeah.

(That probably came off as sarcastic or something, but it's not. I'm just thinking, digesting.)

 

[Levito]

I still feel the people saying this isn't "Twin Peaks" enough have some serious rose tinted glasses on. After Leland dies the second season takes such an immense nosedive in quality that it barely feels like the same thing, the last episode saved it. During my rewatch I could barely make it through stuff like James's travels to the other town or the mayor and his mistress fixing beauty pageants.


Is season 3 different? Of course it Is, lynch and Frost wrote the original series 25 years ago; no one stays exactly the same in terms of interests in a period of time that long. The landscape of television has changed a lot since 1990 too. If all you were expecting was a Netflix-like show revival where all they do is cater to nostalgia then I don't know know what to say to you.



To me it really isn't all that different, just modernized. It's hilarious, weird, and has a dream like quality that makes this show feel not quite like reality at all times. I don't need Kyle Maclachlan looking into the camera and saying "DAMN FINE COFFEE" for it to be Twin Peaks for me.