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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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EverythingShiny
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The AV Club review is up. Unsurprisingly this one got an A. 
Spieler Eins
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That parking scene.
plagiarize
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My wife is gutted that Chantal and Hutch are dead. It undermined her excitement about Coop waking up. Personally I loved the random act of anger and violence that was their ultimate undoing.
This Sunday looks like it's going to deliver on just about every level. I keep my fingers tightly crossed.
And to all the TV networks showing this around the world.
Don't leak. Don't fuck up and put the episodes out early.
This Sunday looks like it's going to deliver on just about every level. I keep my fingers tightly crossed.
And to all the TV networks showing this around the world.
Don't leak. Don't fuck up and put the episodes out early.
We are meant to believe Tulpa-Diane didn't set up Mr C. by herself, rather, that two sets of coordinates matched because Teapot-Jeffries/Salt-Shaker/Diving-Bell/Interdimensional-Slot-Machine and Diane had acted in concert, right? Two of them matching seems to be what made him suspicious (he calls Fireworks-Richard "smart" for wanting to check the two matching ones, right after being visibly disgusted that he didn't understand "I'm looking for a place. Do you understand, a place?" -- "... place?"). Since she knows the plan didn't work after she gets the kill order flourished with a reminder of her rape, why would she assume he'd come unprepared to the sheriff's station? Obviously she's conflicted, she both acts upon his orders and thwarts them. She wants to get herself killed (twice) and rescued (if we assume Naido is her or key to the real Diane returning). I guess what I'm asking, isn't her personality a little too strong and independent, her machinations a little too complex for a tulpa?
Next time someone asks you to move your car - move your car
I like to think someone once parked over Lynch's driveway
Is somebody gearing up for OT2? 12 pages left. We will probably just hit it before the finale airs, then during it will definitely push past it. Maybe move across in advance?
I like to think someone once parked over Lynch's driveway
Is somebody gearing up for OT2? 12 pages left. We will probably just hit it before the finale airs, then during it will definitely push past it. Maybe move across in advance?
plagiarize
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We don't know much about Tulpas. Mr C, I'm presuming isn't one.
Dougie certainly doesn't act much like Mr C or Cooper. Maybe that's what happens when you make a Tulpa from a doppelganger?
I personally like it a lot.
I wouldn't describe them as "intentionally awful". They're just very unusual. They look fantastic. The Diane one was especially beautiful and creepy.
Net_Wrecker
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I'm uh...
I'm not ready for this to be over
I'm not ready for this to be over
Spiritual_Chaos
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Discotheque
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I'm uh...
I'm not ready for this to be over
its running out of sand
such a good episode. I'm just in awe of this every week. nothing like it.
the end of Tim Roth and Jennifer Jason Leigh was freaking hilarious. and man was that Cooper return satisfying as hell. that buildup of Dougie really made it feel momentous, and I was really happy to see that Cooper is not done with his family or the Mitchum Brothers.
It makes the Dougie scenes even more heartbreaking in retrospect. We were given enough reasons to assume Dale was in there, unable to fully communicate, but it's been made perfectly clear now. I wonder what watching this season is like for someone who's had real-life experience with dementia in a loved one.its running out of sand
such a good episode. I'm just in awe of this every week. nothing like it.
the end of Tim Roth and Jennifer Jason Leigh was freaking hilarious. and man was that Cooper return satisfying as hell. that buildup of Dougie really made it feel momentous, and I was really happy to see that Cooper is not done with his family or the Mitchum Brothers.
Nah I thought it looked like cheap garbage some kid could've mocked up in Adobe Illustrator in about 10 minutes.
Spiritual_Chaos
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Making visual effects in AI would be a bitch.
VistraNorrez
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Their bloody end was very Tarantino to me. In fact a lot of their plotline would fit well into a Tarantino movie, especially because they are both Tarantino actors. I can't imagine Lynch considered this at all.
Of course it's also very Lynch, I'm reminded of the incompetent hitman in Mulholland Drive with a bit of Mr Eddy in Lost Highway.
Looking at what computer imagery Lynch has personally created in the past, they are very clearly done by him. He really likes this flat, hard-edged effect. Let's not forget he shot a 3 hour movie on a consumer quality SD camera a decade ago. The guy has a strange aesthetic.
plagiarize
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Yeah. Lynch has often shown that he could full on Tarantino if that's what he was interested in doing. I guess Wild at Heart is the closest he's come to making an outright Tarantinoesque movie. Not just Chantal and Hutch's plotline, but their dialogue was also incredibly Tarantinoesque. It always feels a bit to me like Lynch flexing some muscles he doesn't often use to remind people he can.
I can speak to this - my father has been going through it for a while now. I obviously very quickly made that connection since it's a daily reality for me, but it never quite registered as the same thing as real-life dementia for me. Dougie is a tragic character of course, but it's also played for comedy a lot of the time (not in a way that made me uncomfortable at all actually).
The theme of dementia is there of course, but (maybe because seeing it this way made it easier for me to digest on a subconscious level), I always actually saw it more as a commentary on Lynch's obsession with transcendental meditation rather than a the actual illness. Coop was stuck in the lodge for 25 years. Everything that happens in the lodge is an even more intense version of that classic Lynch style - lots of long, lingering shots, really forcing you to soak in everything you see and hear. Whenever we saw Coop in the lodge, he observed everything around him as you, the viewer, would watch a really intense sequence of Lynch scenes. For people (like me) who really connect with the kind of stuff you see in his movies and season 3, you become very focused on every little thing in those dream like sequences. It's almost like this season serves as a tool for people (also like me) who would otherwise be unable to actually meditate. You're extremely in the moment, you have no real coherent way of actually understanding what you're seeing on a logical level while you're in the moment - it all hits you on a more primal, emotional level, as in a dream where time and space loses its meaning.
That's what leaves such a heavy impact on so many people watching this. And Coop has been stuck in the most Lynchian location possible for 25 years straight. Him being unable to 'snap out' of being Dougie was, for me, more a commentary on the intensity of Lynch movies than the real-life illness. He just can't help to observe the real world in anything other than Lynch's transcendental meditative state. It's more of a joke to me, although not quite a self-parody.
I realize this entire thing is a bit rambling, my apologies for that. This is a bit hard for me to put into words since I usually don't talk about my father's illness online (even though I don't really do it here). I'm also not trying to say at all that this is the only true way of reading those scenes - I'm very aware that my personal situation influences how I see this entire thing heavily. I don't think I would be able to watch this show if it registered as actual real life dementia to me. To me, this is something else. Something a lot funnier.
EverythingShiny
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Starting at 4am next Sunday, Showtime is airing all 18 episodes in a row. I'm so ready.
Also, Boem, I get what you're saying. My stepdad has Lewy-Body dementia and after getting on dementia medication, he's actually "woken up" after several months of being almost just like Dougie (shuffling around, not really aware of what's going on, and actually having psychotic episodes)... it's tough knowing the meds will stop working at some point and he'll revert to that state. I've loved the Dougie bits, but at various points they hit too close to home.
Also, Boem, I get what you're saying. My stepdad has Lewy-Body dementia and after getting on dementia medication, he's actually "woken up" after several months of being almost just like Dougie (shuffling around, not really aware of what's going on, and actually having psychotic episodes)... it's tough knowing the meds will stop working at some point and he'll revert to that state. I've loved the Dougie bits, but at various points they hit too close to home.
RadioHeadAche
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I have no idea where this will lead us, but I have a definite feeling it will be a place both wonderful and strange
Yeah we know she slowly went to her far right. But she did not pop back like that, that fast. It wasn't shot well.
Lol. I personally don't think it was random. I think he has something to do with the insurance guy in ep 1. But I'm probably crazy.
Yeah, one thing I want to add to that: that's definitely just my own way of seeing this, and my own way of dealing with this show. I don't want to imply that that's how anyone else dealing with dementia in their real life would or should see those scenes. Every situation is different.
These days, if I watch a more traditional movie where a character is suffering from dementia , I have to turn it off. Just something I can't deal with at all. That's probably why I'm automatically seeing Dougie as a more comedic character. A sort of mental self-defense, or avoidance, or something, even though I'm obviously reminded of dementia very often when watching Dougie. But to me, seeing Dougie as a half-comedic commentary on Lynch's insanely intense worlds makes a lot of sense. To me, it fits.
I realize I'm having a bit of trouble talking about this so I think this is where I'll stop - my apologies if this doesn't quite make sense. But I don't think anyone reading it as a commentary on real world dementia is in any way wrong, it's just not something I can think about at the moment.
One last note: this episode was amazing, hilarious, and the entire scene from Cooper coming back to 'I am the FBI' is one of my top 3 tv experiences of all time. Amazing stuff.
MisterR
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Agreed. The whole time I felt like their parts were very Tarantino. Very cool.
Wow Bob, wow. That was incredible, Absolutely incredible, and easily the best episode of The Return so far. Cooper's return was perfect. Just perfect. It's amazing how Maclachlan was able to shake the rust off Dougie and immediately slip into the soul of Dale Cooper as if he'd never left. Give this man all of the awards. And I really hope that those who initially were whining about so much Dougie and sop little Cooper have been appeased - to me, Cooper's return worked so perfectly because Dougie's arc took the time it did to come to a head, and it really felt like Cooper's return was earned.
And can I just say, how amazing is Cooper? His first thought after 25 years of cosmic incarceration is the completely sincere, heartfelt, selfless act of getting Mike to prepare another seed/doppelganger of Cooper so that Dougie can be reborn and returned to Janey-E and Sonny Jim so that they can be whole and be a family again. Cooper is just the greatest <3
And can I just say, how amazing is Cooper? His first thought after 25 years of cosmic incarceration is the completely sincere, heartfelt, selfless act of getting Mike to prepare another seed/doppelganger of Cooper so that Dougie can be reborn and returned to Janey-E and Sonny Jim so that they can be whole and be a family again. Cooper is just the greatest <3
Oh man... what a great episode and amazing ride this has been. I am so sad that this is gonna be over soon but also thankful to have experienced it. This went straight to my most beloved series ever spot.
About the episode:
1 - Holy shit Diane, her scenes were so damn good this week. Laura Dern is a wonderful actress and I'm really glad Lynch got her to play Diane, it was such an obvious and right choice.
2 - Cooper "I am the FBI" scene almost got me in tears. So much time waiting for this moment and it actually delivered.
3 - Audrey "waking up" in a white room looking into a mirror after dancing in front of everyone. What the hell was that? Perfect way to finish a very, very good episode.
4 - Mr. C and Richard on the rock. As soon as he said "two of the coordinates match" it was clear that he believed it was a trap. So it was confirmed by Mr. C's last line that Richard was his son with Audrey?
5 - The "almost closure" to the Dougie storyline was touching and it made me appreciate his entire arc more. I think it will be amazing to watch everything back to back knowing where it's going.
6 - That gunfight in front of Dougie's house was also a standout moment in an episode full of them. It was an unexpected, well shot and fun scene. I was actually smiling the whole time.
Anyway, this will be a long, long week waiting for the finale. I'm gonna fill this void with a trilogy of Lynch's films throughout the week: Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire (which I've never seen).
About the episode:
1 - Holy shit Diane, her scenes were so damn good this week. Laura Dern is a wonderful actress and I'm really glad Lynch got her to play Diane, it was such an obvious and right choice.
2 - Cooper "I am the FBI" scene almost got me in tears. So much time waiting for this moment and it actually delivered.
3 - Audrey "waking up" in a white room looking into a mirror after dancing in front of everyone. What the hell was that? Perfect way to finish a very, very good episode.
4 - Mr. C and Richard on the rock. As soon as he said "two of the coordinates match" it was clear that he believed it was a trap. So it was confirmed by Mr. C's last line that Richard was his son with Audrey?
5 - The "almost closure" to the Dougie storyline was touching and it made me appreciate his entire arc more. I think it will be amazing to watch everything back to back knowing where it's going.
6 - That gunfight in front of Dougie's house was also a standout moment in an episode full of them. It was an unexpected, well shot and fun scene. I was actually smiling the whole time.
Anyway, this will be a long, long week waiting for the finale. I'm gonna fill this void with a trilogy of Lynch's films throughout the week: Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire (which I've never seen).
i like how the instant coop woke from the coma you could tell he was back. even before he spoke a word i was like "aww hell yeah". 25 years in the making for that one moment, show is amazing
anyway, any theories on why diane is supposedly "in the sherrif's station" when -- i forget her name, ms. no eyes i'll call her -- is there and obviously not diane?
anyway, any theories on why diane is supposedly "in the sherrif's station" when -- i forget her name, ms. no eyes i'll call her -- is there and obviously not diane?
Now that, was a damn fine episode. It wasn't just Cooper returning, but pretty much everything about this episode felt like I was watching a different show completely to the one I'd been watching in many episodes beforehand.
A story that flowed well, plots that actually meant something in the grand scheme of things, non-stilted character interactions, a satisfying cliffhanger ending, this is what the entire series should have been. It's not enough to make me less sour on some of the lows this season but, if the show keeps this up for the last two episodes, this season might just redeem itself slightly in my eyes.
A story that flowed well, plots that actually meant something in the grand scheme of things, non-stilted character interactions, a satisfying cliffhanger ending, this is what the entire series should have been. It's not enough to make me less sour on some of the lows this season but, if the show keeps this up for the last two episodes, this season might just redeem itself slightly in my eyes.
Apologize to Dougie.
BenjaminBirdie
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Has anyone checked to see what color Fauxane's nail polish is/was on her soul finger?
BenjaminBirdie
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lmao YES PLEASE
Hadn't considered that- makes a potential reunion way more ominous.
Nah.
The Elite
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If the whole series was like this the impact of this moment would not have been as powerful.
guybrushfreeman
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Well then, we finally got there. I wish I had done a write up of every episode or something. I do wish we'd moved a little faster coming up to now but I am damn excited for next week
Thank you for sharing.
And I'm sorry I kind of insinuated that someone like you would limit their interpretation of the character and his emotional and narrative resonance to how they relate on a personal level as opposed to their context in the world of Twin Peaks, or Lynch's body of work.
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As for the "glacial" pace of the show -- I was rewatching the first three episodes earlier this week, and I couldn't believe how far we'd come; despite the narrative time only spanning a few days, they seemed an eternity (or whatever 25 years amount to) away. Even though you could argue not much has happened (the crucial moments often situated in the past), we were discovering what has happened like a child would, experiencing other people's past, not allowing for anything to be truly mundane, giving the minutest reaction and facial expression its maximum impact. It's only now that I'm glad I couldn't binge watch the season, was there when it was happening, just as curious and dumbfounded as everybody else, in love because of presence not knowledge.
My theory is she got tuned into Naido who was saying that stuff. She could translate because she was lodge related.
Dynamite Shikoku
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Good episode. Love having Cooper back. Sad we will only get two proper episodes with him though and then twin peaks is over
Kyle Maclachlan has really been amazing. He basically played four characters (original Dougie Jones, Cooper Dougie, Dale Cooper and Bad Cooper) and just looking at their facial expression you can tell the difference between them.
Spieler Eins
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They were trash people, it felt good. Same for Richard. If anything, I wished them a worse fate.
You know I'm not talking about specific plot points, but the way things were structured, the acting, the meaningful story beats, etc. None of those would have made this episode any less powerful.
So is it possible that the Roadhouse scenes, at least the ones that didn't feature "real" people (like James, Shelley and Renee), were all part of whatever is going on with Audrey? We've seen a LOT of random people talking about a lot of other random people at the Roadhouse, with none of it so far related to the main thrusts of The Return. All constructs of Audrey's mind perhaps?
I can't stand them
GlenChivas
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That was my thought as well.
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