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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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ElectricBlanketFire
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What exactly was the mystery of the original Audrey dance?
Bit offtopic. But I love how every comedy actor his best roll is a serious movie..
Adam Sandler-Reign over Me(cried like a baby)
Jim Carrey-Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Steve Carell-Little Miss Sunshine
Jim Belushi-Twin Peaks The Return
And there are others.
Yeah this show is way too special to spoil for yourself even a little bit. Stuff like this doesn't exactly come around very often. Very happy to wait, that anticipation build (and processing the previous week's episode) is all part of it.
We're not getting something else like this for a long, long time. Maybe even ever. I'm fine with not looking for leaks for just another week.
Just my personal taste of course.
We're not getting something else like this for a long, long time. Maybe even ever. I'm fine with not looking for leaks for just another week.
Just my personal taste of course.
John Dunbar
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it felt mysterious, just like the man from another place dancing. and it was a great visual (unlike here, and not just because she is old).
Disagree, theres a multiple number of things being mentioned in this thread as highlights. The Mitchums. The assassin's getting whacked. Coopers character returning. Richard getting fried. The creepiness of Audreys dance. Coopers sad farewell to Dougie's family. Diane's reveal and getting whacked.
The only parts that really served to play heavily on nostalgia was the TP theme playing with Cooper and the use of Audreys dance (the actual music piece), but they were more complementing what was going on to indulge the audience I feel - there was plenty S3 had built up in its own right to digest on
Even if you see Audreys dance as nostalgia...it's entirely reframed and takes on many new tones. What was a carefree young girl's impromptue dancing in a cafe one afternoon becomes an old womans, full of regret and anxietys yearning to recapture that...to recapture her lost self in a confusing place. She has the spotlight that goes to cause her awakening.
I don't see how people can view the dance last night as 'just' a callback
Buttonbasher
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Tag that shit. God.
Death Metalist
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Which it is.
I quite liked it. The initial announcement felt off to me in a way James' song announcement and performance didn't, but the ending fixed that. The beginning, with that wave of people moving out of the way, was beautifully intense. Audrey's mix of fear and her old dreamlike grin between the various shots worked really well.
If it wasn't for the ending reveal the entire thing would have felt one step too far into sloppy fanservice for me, but in this context it worked. For me at least, I get how it wouldn't for others.
31GhostsIV
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BenjaminBirdie
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Post of the thread.
Airola
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It's completely understandable if someone watched the four episodes "premiere" and saw Dougie and caught the feeling and tone in those episodes and didn't like it he would be even more disappointed when he gets to hear Cooper came back only in episode 16.
And the tone hasn't really gotten much different from what it was in episode 4 either. Sure, there have been some catch up to the tone of the original series but in no way as much as people hoped even when episode 7 happened with the first real call-backs to the original series.
And the tone hasn't really gotten much different from what it was in episode 4 either. Sure, there have been some catch up to the tone of the original series but in no way as much as people hoped even when episode 7 happened with the first real call-backs to the original series.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Seriously. We get the return of SPECIAL AGENT DALE COOPER and "meh."
Doctor Bat
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I read somewhere that Lynch described the Dougie scenario, way back in Part 3 or 4, as someone 'learning to walk again' and that's really stayed with me. If you're separated from human contact and all sense of time and place for a quarter of a century, naturally your return to that sense of normality and order would hit you like a freight train. Not just the culture shock, but all sense of yourself, too.
'Cooper's back, but now he has the mind of child' sounds hilarious on paper, but truthfully, as the weeks have gone on, I'd argue Dougie's actually functioned as this necessary bridge between Coop and the regaining of his former sense of humanity and of right & wrong (fundamental qualities he'll need to defeat the symbolic dark half of himself). That all came full circle this week with the revelation that, yeah, he was fully aware of the week he spent as Dougie Jones and felt everything he felt, changed as he changed. It was super ironic and funny to me that the thing we tell kids not to do more than probably anything else is what brought Cooper back from the brink.
So in a sense, The Return isn't just space for Lynch to do Three Stooges gags and piss about, he's using Twin Peaks to tell a story about learning to walk again and learning to connect again with all your heart with other human beings - wrapped in a mythic, dark struggle between good and evil. And if all that in one melting pot isn't just Lynch in a nutshell...well.
'Cooper's back, but now he has the mind of child' sounds hilarious on paper, but truthfully, as the weeks have gone on, I'd argue Dougie's actually functioned as this necessary bridge between Coop and the regaining of his former sense of humanity and of right & wrong (fundamental qualities he'll need to defeat the symbolic dark half of himself). That all came full circle this week with the revelation that, yeah, he was fully aware of the week he spent as Dougie Jones and felt everything he felt, changed as he changed. It was super ironic and funny to me that the thing we tell kids not to do more than probably anything else is what brought Cooper back from the brink.
So in a sense, The Return isn't just space for Lynch to do Three Stooges gags and piss about, he's using Twin Peaks to tell a story about learning to walk again and learning to connect again with all your heart with other human beings - wrapped in a mythic, dark struggle between good and evil. And if all that in one melting pot isn't just Lynch in a nutshell...well.
plagiarize
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I'm jumping off of this post, partially to highlight it's ignorance, but mainly to reflect on how many amazing new characters this season of TV has brought us.
In no particular order.
Constance Talbot
The Mitchum Brothers
Candie
Deputy Jesse
The 'WE'RE LATE' lady
Frank Truman
Diane's tulpa
Bill Hastings
The 'gotta light' woodsman
Chantal and Hutch
Ike the Spike
The Detectives Fusco
Bushnell Mullins
Deputy Chad
Wally Brando
Becky Burnett
Freddie Sykes
Agent Wilson
Ray Monroe
Renzo
Coffee carrying Phil
Now I know what you're thinking, isn't that like, practically just a list of the new characters?
Well yes.
Yes it is.
And I'm not counting Dougie Coop or Mr C either, which I think I could make a fair argument for.
Great post. I've loved the Dougie stuff for this exact reason. It seems silly and slapsticky on the surface but underneath that it's as striking a rumination on human nature as...well, as the rest of Twin Peaks
The "Twin Peaks fans who expect at least a smidgen of coherent storytelling and enjoyable characters" part wasn't quite as understandable though, if anything I'd say it ought to be described as condescending towards people who are enjoying the new series. Curious how that keeps happening...
Airola
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Morbid curiosity perhaps? Not enough curiosity to try to endure the episodes but curious enough to read some comments about it. There's nothing wrong with that.
BenjaminBirdie
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The Accountant #BossBitch
plagiarize
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Polish Accountant was amazing, yes. I'm sure I'm missing more. Point is, this has brought dozens of amazing characters and if they'd watched the season, they'd actually know that.
Airola
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That goes with the territory what comes to Twin Peaks. Those who don't like it talk shit about those who do and those who do talk shit about those who don't.
Not all do that, but that's been done in this thread from the beginning every now and then.
Maybe but it can completely ruin the rest of the show for him.
Doctor Bat
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Lynch is one of my favourite directors for a load of reasons, but his ability to tell such simple, meaningful stories about people within grand, cosmic frameworks is up up up there. He wants us to feel before we have to know. It's an underrated quality.
There is definitely going something on with the road house. Someone help me. But I am sure only in episode 1-4 we see Shelly in the Road House. Besides her and James and now Audrey there is actually no old characters what so ever we see in the road house scenes right? It's all with people who absolutely have no utterly no meaning what so ever to the plot?
One could say the old Peaks character became 25 year older but they would still go to a bar right?
It must mean something right that so many people there for 99% all the time that we never even heard of before?
One could say the old Peaks character became 25 year older but they would still go to a bar right?
It must mean something right that so many people there for 99% all the time that we never even heard of before?
Corpsepyre
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We saw Shelly and James in episode 2, and now Audrey. Can't think of any other older character being there.
plagiarize
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Airola
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He might not have had any intention to watch the rest of the season anyway.
Or maybe he has tried to find out if the comments reveal some reasons for him to continue watching and so far they haven't.
Thank you. You exactly confirm what I was thinking. Maye after episode 2 it all has been a dream or something what happens in The Road House. That would be my guess.
Big Ed/Norma for example probably would want to go to the Road House sometime but we haven't seen any other OG Twin Peaks members there besides Shelly and James in episode 2.
So good
BenjaminBirdie
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Been listening to "Audrey's Dance" literally all day.
I know someone said it was more dreamy than terrifying but, man. Listen to it again.
I know someone said it was more dreamy than terrifying but, man. Listen to it again.
plagiarize
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I don't know about Big Ed and Norma. Espescially given that type of live music that gets played there. They're both 25 years older. The people who were kids in the last series still go. A whole generation of new kids go. I just don't think it's the type of place people 50 and older would want to spend their evenings.
Absolutely
I'm coming to firmly enjoy the take that the character of Dougie is an apt interpretation of a man out of time - a man taken away 25 years ago and displaced into the modern world. That it serves as a reaction of Cooper in itself of being away from the world for that long - his innocence displayed in a different form, but still fundamentally there - along with an accumulation of friends along the way that are drawn to him, in a way people were drawn to the essence of Cooper.
25 years out and displaced into the modern world - a reaction of needing to slowly take in the world around you, mimicking those around you - I see it now. Seeing the whole package of episodes coming into view now, it's a satisfying ride
Certainly more satisfying than walking into the thread and saying 'lol I watched the premiere but nothing else, this show sucks, Cooper's only just come back'
Corpsepyre
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There are a number of other anomalies too throughout. As I mentioned earlier here, I think there's a reason as to why they keep showing a repeat of the crowd scenes. Play episode 2 right now, and then play the new one. You'll see that the crowd scene where they show a blonde girl in the front, is exactly the same as every other recent episode. Copy paste job going on here for some fucking reason I can't understand.
Yeah but we saw Richard Horne and Chad there, and they're definitely part of the greater reality. And James has been there a total of three times this season; Freddie twice.
aside from audrey's "visit" to "the roadhouse" i don't think there's any funny business going on. just a way to frame each episode through vignettes.
as for the people we've never seen before, well any bar 25 years later will have new faces
Doctor Bat
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That's sensational writing. Yeah, it truly highlights the canyon between Peaks and pretty much every other 'nostalgia revival' out there now. Lynch wanted to tell a new story in a familiar world. The rest want to tell the old story again with new toys.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Trent Reznor seemed to enjoy himself.
Not Spaceghost
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Yeah i started getting a weird feeling about the road house ever since James' Song was played there, the whole thing just felt really dream like.
Corpsepyre
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We must also remember that most of the Billy chatter we've heard from people in the Roadhouse.
'No bar in reality would put James with that song on their bill'!
I agree. There is indeed something wrong with the crowd.
I am not sure if Lynch is being intentional with that or it's just a bit sloppy editing.
That's absolutely an excellent point. You prove me wrong. Its indeed the people who were kids during the OT are still coming but the elders not, that totally makes sense.
Can we think of anyone who was a kid/teenager during season 1/season 2 that is in the Return that hasen't been in the Roadhouse this season yet?
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
It could be the only real Roadhouse scene was "Man sweeping the floor"....
I always thought it odd that a small town attracted such big names.
I'm not convinced guys, I really don't think any Roadhouse scene but the Audrey bit has been a dream. There has been some weirdness, but that hasn't been limited to the Roadhouse anyway. Plus, narratively speaking what would be the point of such a reveal?
Yeah, and I do hate it whenever it happens, to a degree that I can't say I particularly care about someone's opinion at that point. But hey it's not like I remember this stuff, I don't keep a tally. /shrug
Yeah, and I do hate it whenever it happens, to a degree that I can't say I particularly care about someone's opinion at that point. But hey it's not like I remember this stuff, I don't keep a tally. /shrug
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