I'm gonna need some sourcing for all of that^^ Especially that "Lynch confirmed evil cooper was not bob or taken over by him"-part.
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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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I'm gonna need some sourcing for all of that^^ Especially that "Lynch confirmed evil cooper was not bob or taken over by him"-part.
Fauxllip Jeffries draws a direct connection between Doop going back in and reuniting with Bob.
Lynch confirmed that the Coopers aren't possessed, but he did say that the doppelganger was "with Bob"/"occupied by Bob" There's nothing suggesting that he stopped being "with Bob," especially in light of what Fauxllip Jeffries said.
The exact quote is "(...) Coop wasnt occupied by BOB. Part of him was. There are two Coops in there, and the one that came out was, you know, with BOB."
Oh c'mon
Well I don't know what else to call it lol
It's dumb.
The girl with no eyes was Josie.
tomwhite2004
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Ditto, made the hair on the back of my neck stand up, such an incredible scene.
I just hate the trend of adding "shaming" to anything these days. It's also dumb.
I think they meant after S2 for the former part (which I think is referring back to this; which itself is referring to the doppelgänger), but I'd like to see this more recent confirmation from Lynch.
RepairmanJack
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This was actually one of the first things I thought about when she showed up, but somehow just went away from it as I got farther away from it.
Don't know if I like the actual idea of that or just how out there it is. Well, that's most Twin Peaks theories for me haha
RepairmanJack
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There was actually another time during these 4 episodes that I thought about Josie, but am now failing to remember when that was.
mariachi507
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-There is really not enough evidence to support otherwise.
-Season 2 finale: Bob didn't just visit DoppelCooper in the mirror like he has done in earlier episodes, he was perfectly reflected with DoppelCoopers image. Just like Leland's reveal was which indicates that Bob was inside DoppelCooper.
-I've not seen anything from Lynch to indicate that DoppelCooper isn't possessed by Bob in some capacity. His only comments stated that the Cooper seen in the season 2 finale is "not Bob" but instead his doppelganger. What that comment says to me is that he was clarifying to the interviewer that the good Cooper is not possessed by Bob and is instead stuck in the lodge. It doesn't mean that DoppelCooper doesn't carry Bob in some capacity.
-Adding to that, his next comment about DoppelCooper said that Bob was "with him". That can be taken in multiple ways sure, but Bob using DoppelCooper as a vessel is a sure frontrunner for an explantation.
-We haven't Bob possess DoppelCooper directly this season but it would be hard to depict this visually with Frank Silva being dead. The only thing we have to support it is the phone call with Jeffries where he states, "You will go back and I will be with Bob again." That indicated to me that Jeffries (or whoever it was) wanted to put DoppelCooper back in the lodge so that he could be with Bob like DoppelCooper has been for the past 25 years.
-I don't recall Bob being able to possess or be with more than one person at a time which would support my previous claim. Jeffries wants Bob with him, why? Maybe because he's eager for fun.
-Bob doesn't need to DoppelCoop as a vessel, but he doesn't need anything. He wants
Even though it's a pet peeve for you when people refer to DoppelCoop as Bob. There's not enough evidence to support that Bob is not related to him in some capacity. It's perfectly logical to have the theory that you do, but I don't see how we can dismiss other theories without substantial proof.
RepairmanJack
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^^^ Completely agree. I do think there is enough to distinguish Doppelcoop and Bob as separate entities, but there's no real telling the specifics of the situation yet.
Dusk Golem
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MY stance is that this season has so far been very sparse in suggesting who/what/where BOB is right now, outside of the fact BOB is SOMEWHERE. He could be in Evil Cooper, he could be in the Lodge, he could be in the owls, I don't fucking know and I don't think anyone confidently at this point could say so here.
The only 100% cemented thing is Cooper's Doppelganger is not 100% Bob, he is his own entity. That much has been established. But in these first four parts there's not anything concrete to say where Bob is right now.
Lynch and Kyle both make it sound in interviews like Bob is with Doppelganger Cooper in some capacity, but we will see.
The only 100% cemented thing is Cooper's Doppelganger is not 100% Bob, he is his own entity. That much has been established. But in these first four parts there's not anything concrete to say where Bob is right now.
Lynch and Kyle both make it sound in interviews like Bob is with Doppelganger Cooper in some capacity, but we will see.
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-There is really not enough evidence to support otherwise.
-Season 2 finale: Bob didn't just visit DoppelCooper in the mirror like he has done in earlier episodes, he was perfectly reflected with DoppelCoopers image. Just like Leland's reveal was which indicates that Bob was inside DoppelCooper.
-I've not seen anything from Lynch to indicate that DoppelCooper isn't possessed by Bob in some capacity. His only comments stated that the Cooper seen in the season 2 finale is "not Bob" but instead his doppelganger. What that comment says to me is that he was clarifying to the interviewer that the good Cooper is not possessed by Bob and is instead stuck in the lodge. It doesn't mean that DoppelCooper doesn't carry Bob in some capacity.
-Adding to that, his next comment about DoppelCooper said that Bob was "with him". That can be taken in multiple ways sure, but Bob using DoppelCooper as a vessel is a sure frontrunner for an explantation.
-We haven't Bob possess DoppelCooper directly this season but it would be hard to depict this visually with Frank Silva being dead. The only thing we have to support it is the phone call with Jeffries where he states, "You will go back and I will be with Bob again." That indicated to me that Jeffries (or whoever it was) wanted to put DoppelCooper back in the lodge so that he could be with Bob like DoppelCooper has been for the past 25 years.
-I don't recall Bob being able to possess or be with more than one person at a time which would support my previous claim. Jeffries wants Bob with him, why? Maybe because he's eager for fun.
-Bob doesn't need to DoppelCoop as a vessel, but he doesn't need anything. He wants
Even though it's a pet peeve for you when people refer to DoppelCoop as Bob. There's not enough evidence to support that Bob is not related to him in some capacity. It's perfectly logical to have the theory that you do, but I don't see how we can dismiss other theories without substantial proof.
I'm on Team Bob-Cooper. The only reason we haven't seen BOB's reflection is because Frank Silva is no longer with us. What we're left with is 'Dark' Coop, a black Mirror of Cooper, with BOB's murderous tendencies thrown in.
After Leland, BOB was pushed back to the Lodge. By controlling Bad Coop, and as shown with their creation of Dougie and subsequent plot to stay out of the Lodge, BOB can stay out feasting on Garmanbozia for as long as he pleases without sharing with MIKE and The Arm.
Yeah, that's as much confirmation as I need.
RepairmanJack
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That's pretty damning. I'd say that's pretty intentional.
Airola
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I think DoppelCoop is a bit too emotionless and cold to be "with Bob", so perhaps Bob was with him and there was more "glee" with the crimes he did. But maybe Bob is now gone and DoppelCoop is looking for to be with Bob again so that he could again feel the pleasure of whatever he is doing. Now he is just going through the motions and that doesn't give him pleasure anymore. He doesn't need Bob. He wants Bob.
Maybe Bob is not only the symbol of the evil that men do, but also the symbol of the pleasure people get out of doing nasty things. And just as an addict at some point loses the sense of pleasure from whatever he's doing and just does things out of habit, people with Bob are sensing tremendous feelings of pleasure and when he is gone they crave for what they once felt.
However, that diary quote might be quite a good evidence to the contrary. Which would be a bit disappointing because I don't quite like the sense of coldness this DoppelCoop seems to have. I mean, the season 2 finale was way different and how about the season 2 midpoint kill where he had cornered his victim and playfully gestures with his fingers "come on".... Bob is much more interesting when there is the sense of pleasure instead of being just cold and killing people by shooting with a gun.
Maybe Bob is not only the symbol of the evil that men do, but also the symbol of the pleasure people get out of doing nasty things. And just as an addict at some point loses the sense of pleasure from whatever he's doing and just does things out of habit, people with Bob are sensing tremendous feelings of pleasure and when he is gone they crave for what they once felt.
However, that diary quote might be quite a good evidence to the contrary. Which would be a bit disappointing because I don't quite like the sense of coldness this DoppelCoop seems to have. I mean, the season 2 finale was way different and how about the season 2 midpoint kill where he had cornered his victim and playfully gestures with his fingers "come on".... Bob is much more interesting when there is the sense of pleasure instead of being just cold and killing people by shooting with a gun.
RepairmanJack
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There could be change due to a lot of factors though. There's just not enough information to go on. We're dealing with a Doppelcoop that is seeming very concerned about going back to the Black Lodge, it's been 25 years and he's not praying on young girls in sexual ways(at least from what we've seen) there could be so many things that have changed that it's really hard to say just by what little we've seen.
no it wasn't. First off, actress was not in it. Second, seeming that because you thought she was Asian she was Josie is pretty racist. No other reason to link the two.
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Best evidence I've seen yet. Great find. I won't say there is no evidence to suggest he's Bob in the new series going forwards, cause that's pretty clearly supporting evidence that he is. I still think he isn't, personally... but I'll be less aggressive about it.
All will hopefully be revealed by the end! That's the fun of seeing this in parts. We're debating and speculating a lot of things that we'll get answers to (I know we'll still be left with questions afterwards) and that's a hugely rare luxury as a Twin Peaks fan, what with the canon being seemingly closed for so long.
On another topic, I'm incredibly proud of my wife. If you listened to episode 4 of Idle Thumbs Twin Peaks Rewatch Season 3 thing, they read out her e-mail. She's the first one they read out. My wife, fact checking Twin Peaks podcasts, and I didn't even know she'd e-mailed them until I heard them read out her name. She's thinking about getting a tattoo like Margaret Lanterman's mark too. It would be her first.
And to think for a long time she didn't think of herself as a big fan (mainly in contrast to people we know like Brad Dukes). She is wide awake now though.
Dusk Golem
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Daring move by Showtime!
They just released the first two episode freely onto YouTube:
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdmq72HAoQ8
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BPdopKl_ag
I'm going to make a topic on this since I'm surprised by the bold move.
They just released the first two episode freely onto YouTube:
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdmq72HAoQ8
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BPdopKl_ag
I'm going to make a topic on this since I'm surprised by the bold move.
I know that. My exclamation was at your "racist" comment
yeah. because we else would anyone think she was Josie?
Airola
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I'm glad he just didn't assume she was any woman character of Twin Peaks because he thinks she is a woman.
That would be pretty sexist.
not even a passable attempt at criticism.
Don Friday
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Stop shaming shaming.
Immortal Technique
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Maybe it was a goof? Links are dead now
I don't think so because they also posted all of Part 1 on Facebook.
You know that race is a thing, right? Like - it's an actual physical characteristic? Not to mention it's been 25 years, and the original show isn't necessarily fresh in everyone's minds. And then there's the fact that the elusive woman's face is partially obscured, making it even more likely that some might confuse her for another female character of the same race who met a rather elusive fate in the original Twin Peaks.
They don't look similar at all facially. If you followed enough to remember what happened to Josie, you remember her enough to know that's not her. I won't even get into the fact that race is actually not "a thing" and is just a social idea.
Moving on.
VistraNorrez
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Not to mention Joan Chen is Chinese and Nae Yuuki Japanese.
SOC101 aside, you're clutching at straws here in a way that feels unduly political.
This seems to me like something someone might easily fail to notice? I don't know. I've confused characters on the grounds of hair color, facial features, etc. I never thought that character was Josie (they aren't close in appearance at all to my eyes), but to call that poster a racist is a bridge too far.
Call for help.
I was actually referring to your attack on the other poster.
That race is socially constructed isn't a particularly new or radical concept (nor overly insightful in this particular case).
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haha coffee lol
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A decade ago (or so), I watched season 1 on DVD with my brother and I loved it. We wanted to jump right into season 2, but we couldn't find a DVD version anywhere and then summer break ended and we just kinda forgot about it.
Well, two weeks ago I finally decided to watch the whole thing - still haven't caught up, though. I'm about to watch episode 10 from the second season (the first of, according to some, the series' bad part). I don't really care if what comes after is bad, though. What came before is incredible and already makes the whole experience absolutely worth it.
Now, I was 15 or so when I first watched the first season. As I said, I loved it then. But now, it's something else altogether - the series resonated with me in a totally unexpected way. Those ten years made all the difference in appreciating this wonderful show. The music, the characters, the conversations, the surreal aspects, everything just clicked. And BOB... every time he appears, I get genuinely terrified. I don't usually feel discomfort from watching a movie or a show, but the way BOB behaves, the way he is portrayed, the atmosphere, it just gives me chills.
The killer's reveal, I have to say, is probably one of the best television moments I have seen. It's horrifying, it's disgusting, and yet it makes so much sense. It felt like something I knew from the beginning, yet kept denying because it was too cruel. Suddenly Laura's erratic behavior can be understood - a girl who was systematically abused by her (possessed) father, who used drugs to cope with the abuse but at the same time kept trying to reach out to others and be good (Meals on Wheels, Johnny Horne). It's just so tragic...
I will watch the rest of the episodes and Fire Walk With Me before I start season 3, but I had to share my experience thus far and this felt like an appropriate thread.
Well, two weeks ago I finally decided to watch the whole thing - still haven't caught up, though. I'm about to watch episode 10 from the second season (the first of, according to some, the series' bad part). I don't really care if what comes after is bad, though. What came before is incredible and already makes the whole experience absolutely worth it.
Now, I was 15 or so when I first watched the first season. As I said, I loved it then. But now, it's something else altogether - the series resonated with me in a totally unexpected way. Those ten years made all the difference in appreciating this wonderful show. The music, the characters, the conversations, the surreal aspects, everything just clicked. And BOB... every time he appears, I get genuinely terrified. I don't usually feel discomfort from watching a movie or a show, but the way BOB behaves, the way he is portrayed, the atmosphere, it just gives me chills.
The killer's reveal, I have to say, is probably one of the best television moments I have seen. It's horrifying, it's disgusting, and yet it makes so much sense. It felt like something I knew from the beginning, yet kept denying because it was too cruel. Suddenly Laura's erratic behavior can be understood - a girl who was systematically abused by her (possessed) father, who used drugs to cope with the abuse but at the same time kept trying to reach out to others and be good (Meals on Wheels, Johnny Horne). It's just so tragic...
I will watch the rest of the episodes and Fire Walk With Me before I start season 3, but I had to share my experience thus far and this felt like an appropriate thread.
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