Twitch: Changes To Audio In VODS
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BinaryPork2737
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RIP Twitch. It was nice knowing it while it lasted.
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
The best part of this is if you're fullscreen and pause and unpause with space while in a muted section, it unmutes.
He is considering it, read the next tweet just now.
https://twitter.com/cosmowright/status/497150178496110593
Lady Siara
Member
I'm pretty sure they're doing this so they can leverage Twitch as a music/live concert site. Think about the survey that just popped up on the site a few weeks back about what artists you would like to watch live.
Hero Prinny
Member
Google is already getting to work I see
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
I just don't get why music companies are so bothered by this. Do they seriously think this does them harm enough (or at all) to act against it?
Probably. You already weren't supposed to be streaming licensed music. Only a matter of time until they enforce that.
Doesn't work for me.
Maintenance
Member
Of course you didn't.
This post is on the premise that this move is due to Google bought Twitch.
It was stupid of Google to buy a company that deals almost exclusively in copyrighted videos without a plan to keep those videos available. For games that are getting muted for game sound Google should have been cutting deals with publishers over the content. Start with Sony and Microsoft who have build streaming support into their system, then hit up EA, Activision, Ubisoft and Nintendo. If the publisher claims they don't own the audio, for instance songs in GTA, Google already has deals in place with record companies, start from there.
The cosiness of Google with copyright holder makes it impossible to defend streamers from claims since Google would never make a claim of Fair Use since this would piss off rights holders and threaten Youtube as a platform.
Are any of the major games effected. Starcraft 2, Dota 2 or LoL. If Google pisses off those communities the site could fall apart. I hope that if I spend a Billion Dollars I would have thoroughly thought through the consequences.
It was stupid of Google to buy a company that deals almost exclusively in copyrighted videos without a plan to keep those videos available. For games that are getting muted for game sound Google should have been cutting deals with publishers over the content. Start with Sony and Microsoft who have build streaming support into their system, then hit up EA, Activision, Ubisoft and Nintendo. If the publisher claims they don't own the audio, for instance songs in GTA, Google already has deals in place with record companies, start from there.
The cosiness of Google with copyright holder makes it impossible to defend streamers from claims since Google would never make a claim of Fair Use since this would piss off rights holders and threaten Youtube as a platform.
Are any of the major games effected. Starcraft 2, Dota 2 or LoL. If Google pisses off those communities the site could fall apart. I hope that if I spend a Billion Dollars I would have thoroughly thought through the consequences.
I'm more bummed out by past VODs expiring. Many old videos that I used to use as a reference to get better at games will be lost now.
Why would that matter if they are silent films anyhow?
Glass Shark
Banned
Yes. They're wrong, but yes.
haha, i wonder if SGDQ will all bail as well
Just double-tap spacebar when a muted section of the VOD is playing.
Again, doesn't work for me.
edit: Oh it has to be partially muted video...well that stinks.
PfantzyPantz
Member
I'm more bummed out by past VODs expiring. Many old videos that I used to use as a reference to get better at games will be lost now.
Man this made me realize all the speedruns that I have bookmarked... Now they're all gunna be gone ;_;
This is just awful
New hotfix implemented to twitch. You can no longer pause or stop videos and must exit or select a different video.
fluffydelusions
Member
THIS.
The VOD libraries are just a testing ground.
They will rework the system, refine the algorithms, and within a year, this system will apply to livestreams as well.
SteveWinwood
Member
hitbox better speed up quick and take that load or some other site is going to pop up and take their open door
also wasnt hitbox owned by the dude who did own3d? who didnt pay anyone? maybe hitbox should be avoided
also wasnt hitbox owned by the dude who did own3d? who didnt pay anyone? maybe hitbox should be avoided
Mushroomer25
Member
That really wouldn't make even a lick of sense. If Twitch wants to get into concert streaming, start a separate site leveraging the streaming tech.
Frankly, this is happening because Twitch is too big for this to NOT happen. Enough people are paying attention, and Twitch is making enough money for them to become targets. The law is mutated in such a way that they are liable, so it's either protect their own ass or die in court.
If you want this to change, don't get mad at Twitch. Get mad at the state of copyright law.
All this. It's going to happen and when it does, it will be a nightmare. This is why someone like Cosmo may switch to hitbox, do it before it's potentially too late (where he would likely be in a position of having even *more* followers and subs than he does now -- which even now is a lot but you get my point).
People don't want to deal with this bullshit not because they want to make money off of music that's not theirs -- they just want to play some goddamn video games in front of an audience that shares the same interests as them. Whether it's speedrunning, playing fighting games competitively, using video games as a means to raise for money for charity (i.e speedrun marathons, marathons in general), etc etc. ContentID just makes this all unnecessarily difficult and gets in the way, especially because it does not fucking work right.
Zombie James
Banned
SliceSabre
Banned
RIP in pieces Twitch.
I tried to reassure a streaming friend this wouldn't happened now I feel like an ass.
I tried to reassure a streaming friend this wouldn't happened now I feel like an ass.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Livestreamer ignores the audio restriction. As it ignores pretty much everything else on Twitch other than the raw video feed. 
It's also only crazy techno music played by the streamer in the background. No big deal.
Fuuuuuckkkkk
Leafhopper
Banned
Please no.
CountAntonius
Member
Yeah because you cant have people listening to shitty sounding(bitrate wise) music, they just wont buy it, they'll just use random twitch streams to create playlists of there favourite music on that.
Like how is muting the audio for an old game like Punch Out, how does that benefit anyone? How is muting the audio for any games or anything that uses background music going to benefit companies?
This. Hitbox will probably be put on notice if they get big as well or ratted out by a vengeful Twitch, depending on their local laws.
People will blindly assume Hitbox will be okay and flee to them, though.
<3 Danny <3 Necrodancer.
Okay for *now*. But that's the case with the internet, this happens all the time. Site gets big, does stupid stuff...start up comes along snatches everyone. Rinse and repeat.
I always loved Danny B. He is just a great guy.
Zombie James
Banned
Damn it, I had a Twitch video playing in the background that I forgot to close because there's no fucking sound. This fucking sucks, I have a bandwidth cap to worry about.
Lady Siara
Member
Twitch doesn't want to get into that, but I'm assuming Google does. All speculative but it feels like the writing is on the wall.
The least they could do is replace the muted portions with a loop of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_H3MWVx6JU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_H3MWVx6JU