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[thefro]

This is probably Unconstitutional based on the precedent set by Lawrence v. Texas which is based of the 14th amendment.

I support the teacher getting fired, but this being a felony is ridiclous.

 

[jorma]

This is one of those situations where it needs to be illegal to prevent coercion.

And here i thought we had rape laws to prevent coercion.

This is exactly the same situtation as employer/employee sexual relations (as someone already noted), they are inappopriate for a number of reasons, but criminalising them is totalitarian.

 

[Wallach]

And here i thought we had rape laws to prevent coercion.

This is exactly the same situtation as employer/employee sexual relations (as someone already noted), they are inappopriate for a number of reasons, but criminalising them is totalitarian.

It is not exactly the same situation; the nature of the relationship itself, the ages of the parties involved and the reason for entering into the relationship on both sides are all different.

 

[SyNapSe]

When it says "Outlaw sexual relations between teachers and students" is that specifically 18 year olds in high school? Does it extend to college professors? I'm not sure how you can go about saying 18 isn't "adult enough".

 

[Wallach]

When it says "Outlaw sexual relations between teachers and students" is that specifically 18 year olds in high school? Does it extend to college professors? I'm not sure how you can go about saying 18 isn't "adult enough".

It is specific to primary and secondary school only in the state of Texas (whether public or private).

 

[marrec]

When it says "Outlaw sexual relations between teachers and students" is that specifically 18 year olds in high school? Does it extend to college professors? I'm not sure how you can go about saying 18 isn't "adult enough".

The relationship between a high school student and teacher is different from that of a college student and professor.

 

[Zaptruder]

The relationship between a high school student and teacher is different from that of a college student and professor.

How so?

 

[2San]

If i was a responsible adult i would not post on GAF while at work. How much jailtime is appopriate as punishment for my irresponsible crimes against the Swedish state?

Hmm I wonder, you tell me what's appropriate. While you're doing that, tell me more about how apples and oranges are the same.

 

[OmegaDragon]

The thread title is incredibly misleading and also false. When I read the title, I basically thought "Oh silly Texas, what have you done now". But it makes sense why they would charge to teacher, as it is about possible abuse of power.

Furthermore, the teacher is not going to be send to jail, based on the article. It only says that the maximum sentence is 20 years jail time. The article never even states what the expected sentence is. The entire OP is basically misleading and false (expect for the article). But this topic would have been a lot better if everyone would've read the article.

That said, it surprised me how many people here are unaware of sexual misconduct rules or do not regard it as important.

 

[Kwixotik]

This seems like something that should be handled by the school.

 

[marrec]

How so?

A High School student/teacher relationship is likely built up over many months/years during a very formative and influential time in someone's life. High School teachers are more coddling and more helpful than college professors and are more directly involved in their lives via parents and extra curricular activities.

It's quite obvious to me how different the two relationships are, especially considering some students know teachers for years, and those years are crucial to the way in which young men and women develop relationships in the future.

 

[KHarvey16]

The 20 year maximum is there because, obviously, the same law applies in cases where the relationship is proven to be coercive or abusive. I think everyone agrees that 20 years for using sex to control a student is appropriate. It does not mean this woman will be given 20 years, and unless there are details that haven't been revealed she almost certainly will not. It's even likely she won't go to prison at all if the circumstances permit.

The constitutionality of these types of laws(Texas is not the only state with one I don't believe) really doesn't seem to be an issue. The desire to prevent abuses in these situations is just, and I think the potential for abuse mixed with the usual unwillingness for victims to report such abuse is worth infringing on what I would consider to be a rather small amount of freedom.

 

[Jay Sosa]

What's the issue here? They're two LEGAL adults.

Texas law was strengthened in 2003 to outlaw sexual relationships between teachers and students, even if it’s among consenting adults.

Improper relationship between educators and students is a second-degree felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

.

 

[gatti-man]

The thread title is incredibly misleading and also false. When I read the title, I basically thought "Oh silly Texas, what have you done now". But it makes sense why they would charge to teacher, as it is about possible abuse of power.

Furthermore, the teacher is not going to be send to jail, based on the article. It only says that the maximum sentence is 20 years jail time. The article never even states what the expected sentence is. The entire OP is basically misleading and false (expect for the article). But this topic would have been a lot better if everyone would've read the article.

That said, it surprised me how many people here are unaware of sexual misconduct rules or do not regard it as important.

Its class B felony. Thats a life ruining charge. She will never teach again and even 1 month jail time is absurd.

A High School student/teacher relationship is likely built up over many months/years during a very formative and influential time in someone's life. High School teachers are more coddling and more helpful than college professors and are more directly involved in their lives via parents and extra curricular activities.

It's quite obvious to me how different the two relationships are, especially considering some students know teachers for years, and those years are crucial to the way in which young men and women develop relationships in the future.

Haha what school did you go to. Most 18 year old boys are walking hard ons. This wouldnt effect anyone negatively besides someone already having issues.

The 20 year maximum is there because, obviously, the same law applies in cases where the relationship is proven to be coercive or abusive. I think everyone agrees that 20 years for using sex to control a student is appropriate. It does not mean this woman will be given 20 years, and unless there are details that haven't been revealed she almost certainly will not. It's even likely she won't go to prison at all if the circumstances permit.

The constitutionality of these types of laws(Texas is not the only state with one I don't believe) really doesn't seem to be an issue. The desire to prevent abuses in these situations is just, and I think the potential for abuse mixed with the usual unwillingness for victims to report such abuse is worth infringing on what I would consider to be a rather small amount of freedom.

Totally disagree. Get convicted of a felony and regardless of jail time your professional life is pretty much done. The price far outweighs the crime.

 

[The Lamp]

Stupid thread title. Ones a teacher, the others a student, its illegal in Texas, its considered an ethical issue.

 

[marrec]

Haha what school did you go to. Most 18 year old boys are walking hard ons. This wouldnt effect anyone negatively besides someone already having issues.

How is this related at all to the major difference between high school students and college students?

Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you just want to post some pithy anecdote in which your imaginings of teachers having sex with boys is perfectly okay?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

You should respect the law if you want to work as a teacher in the State of Texas, and choose to draw a paycheck from the citizens of the State of Texas who don't want their kids fucked by teachers.

THE END.

Totally disagree. Get convicted of a felony and regardless of jail time your professional life is pretty much done. The price far outweighs the crime.

as a grown-ass woman and professional, she should have thought about that as she was contemplating sitting on this kid's dick.

 

[Gaborn]

Stupid thread title. Ones a teacher, the others a student, its illegal in Texas, its considered an ethical issue.

Just to expand on that a little to make it explicit, because of the unequal power dynamic in certain relationships (teacher/student, guard/prisoner etc) in the interest of protecting the potentially vulnerable person many states believe that such relationships inherently cast doubt on the validity of such a relationship when one is in a position of authority over the other. That's why, for example, if you're a fan of House when

Spoiler

House and Cuddy started fucking on a regular basis for season 7

(though the spoiler there is probably fairly obvious) they (well,

Spoiler

SHE

) set up a meeting with HR after the relationship started to protect themselves and the hospital from liability in their relationship.

Relationships that involve power dynamics with the potential for external consequences are always going to get a degree of scrutiny because they can lead to vulnerable people being exploited.

 

[gatti-man]

How is this related at all to the major difference between high school students and college students?

Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you just want to post some pithy anecdote in which your imaginings of teachers having sex with boys is perfectly okay?

Did you read what you posted? What highschool boys have built up relationships with his teachers? Guys by and large ignore their teachers and at best wave. You act like teenage boys have some bond with anyone teaching them which is 100% incorrect. The only real bond ive personally seen is with athletic coaches and ive never personally experienced any of it.

Bottom line dude saw a hot teacher and was attracted which is easy since guys want sex like oxygen in highschool. Teacher contacted guy, they had sex. If anything she was teaching him a valuable lesson. When on the down low make sure it stays that way or no more sex for you.

THE END.

as a grown-ass woman and professional, she should have thought about that as she was contemplating sitting on this kid's dick.

What if she was unaware of the law change? Ive lived in texas since 1997 and i didnt know about the law. Also what if the sex was truly consensual with no abuse of power? Does she still deserve a ruined life?

 

[marrec]

Did you read what you posted? What highschool boys have built up relationships with his teachers? Guys by and large ignore their teachers and at best wave. You act like teenage boys have some bond with anyone teaching them which is 100% incorrect. The only real bond ive personally seen is with athletic coaches and ive never personally experienced any of it.

Bottom line dude saw a hot teacher and was attracted which is easy since guys want sex like oxygen in highschool. Teacher contacted guy, they had sex. If anything she was teaching him a valuable lesson. When on the down low make sure it stays that way or no more sex for you.

Your simple view of childhood relationships is exposing your immaturity about sex and development.

You quite obviously have no idea what you're actually talking about and I'm very glad you are not in a position to have any influence over any child.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Your simple view of childhood relationships is exposing your immaturity about sex and development.

You quite obviously have no idea what you're actually talking about and I'm very glad you are not in a position to have any influence over any child.

ouch.

but I have to agree.

 

[gatti-man]

Your simple view of childhood relationships is exposing your immaturity about sex and development.

You quite obviously have no idea what you're actually talking about and I'm very glad you are not in a position to have any influence over any child.

I remember what its like to be a teenage boy. Its pretty simple actually. 18 year old men arent boys and they do far more damaging stuff on a regular basis than having consentual sex with a teacher.

Edit: If you consider 18 to be childhood sexual developement i would say you are the one without a clue. Ive worked with teenagers for 8 years now. They can handle themselves.

 

[marrec]

I think people are glossing over the fact that it is very unlikely that this 18 year old had no contact with the teacher prior to their sexual encounter. As if they woke up one day, saw each other with no other visual or verbal context, had sex, then departed. All the while they happened to be student and teacher. That's not likely.

 

[gatti-man]

I think people are glossing over the fact that it is very unlikely that this 18 year old had no contact with the teacher prior to their sexual encounter. As if they woke up one day, saw each other with no other visual or verbal context, had sex, then departed. All the while they happened to be student and teacher. That's not likely.

You dont get it. Guys at that age have a yes or no instant response for sex. Attractive? Yes Ugly? Maybe. Its not like it takes a master chess move to get an 18 year old to sleep with a girl/woman he is attracted to.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

You dont get it. Guys at that age have a yes or no instant response for sex.

lolwut

speak for yourself, brah. you being willing to put your dick in anything at any moment as a teen != the rest of us. get that through your head.

 

[marrec]

You dont get it. Guys at that age have a yes or no instant response for sex. Attractive? Yes Ugly? Maybe. Its not like it takes a master chess move to get an 18 year old to sleep with a girl/woman he is attracted to.

Gatti-man, I really don't want to respond to you because of your gross misunderstanding of how sexual development occurs during high school, but you seem to want to continue trying to simplify something that is extremely complicated and I worry that your simple but wrong answers will somehow be perceived as correct by the casual observer and god forbid your laughably naive world be considered anything but factually and terribly wrong.

This relationship did not happen in a vacuum of zero influence. The teacher in this case, whether the 18 year old knew it or not, coerced sex from a student. That is tantamount to rape and should be punished. Despite your fantasies of sexual encounters with teachers ending perfectly fine, it's rarely the case that this type of sexual relationship is not without consequence for the coerced party.

 

[Zoe]

Its class B felony. Thats a life ruining charge. She will never teach again and even 1 month jail time is absurd.

She shouldn't teach again.

 

[gatti-man]

lolwut

speak for yourself, brah. you being willing to put your dick in anything at any moment as a teen != the rest of us. get that through your head.

I see it every day braah. 18 year olds have sex. I was being sarcastic but its true. Guys decide instantly if they want to sleep with a girl. All they need is the interest returned.

She shouldn't teach again.

She wont do ANYTHING PROFESSIONAL again. As in nothing beyond pumping gas or mowing lawns. You have a felony you are unhireable for anyone who does back ground checks.

 

[marrec]

I see it every day braah. 18 year olds have sex. I was being sarcastic but its true. Guys decide instantly if they want to sleep with a girl. All they need is the interest returned.

I am deeply saddened by your failure to understand anything to do with sex.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Gatti-man, I really don't want to respond to you because of your gross misunderstanding of how sexual development occurs during high school, but you seem to want to continue trying to simplify something that is extremely complicated and I worry that your simple but wrong answers will somehow be perceived as correct by the casual observer and god forbid your laughably naive world be considered anything but factually and terribly wrong.

This relationship did not happen in a vacuum of zero influence. The teacher in this case, whether the 18 year old knew it or not, coerced sex from a student. That is tantamount to rape and should be punished. Despite your fantasies of sexual encounters with teachers ending perfectly fine, it's rarely the case that this type of sexual relationship is not without consequence for the coerced party.

buh buh...instant sex response!

I am deeply saddened by your failure to understand anything to do with sex.

I think he's just messing with us. Has to be it.

 

[jorma]

Hmm I wonder, you tell me what's appropriate. While you're doing that, tell me more about how apples and oranges are the same.

Yes, i will tell you what's appropriate. The government saying "none of our business" is what's appropriate.

Nice try with the apples and oranges, but you suggested that this should be a criminal offense because it was "irresponsible". That's all sorts of fucked up.

Two consenting adults doing what they consented to do is not government business. It's up to the school to punish if they think it's inappopriate (and they should think it's inappropriate).

Marrec: I'm pretty sure 18 year old boys and girls can take care of their own sexlife, your "saving people from themselves"-skills are not needed here.

 

[marrec]

Marrec: I'm pretty sure 18 year old boys and girls can take care of their own sexlife, your "saving people from themselves"-skills are not needed here.

18 year olds will and do have sex, I don't expect them to abstain. But sex with a teacher is fundamentally different from sex with a peer and it's obvious to most people, which is why there is a law against it.

 

[gatti-man]

Gatti-man, I really don't want to respond to you because of your gross misunderstanding of how sexual development occurs during high school, but you seem to want to continue trying to simplify something that is extremely complicated and I worry that your simple but wrong answers will somehow be perceived as correct by the casual observer and god forbid your laughably naive world be considered anything but factually and terribly wrong.

This relationship did not happen in a vacuum of zero influence. The teacher in this case, whether the 18 year old knew it or not, coerced sex from a student. That is tantamount to rape and should be punished. Despite your fantasies of sexual encounters with teachers ending perfectly fine, it's rarely the case that this type of sexual relationship is not without consequence for the coerced party.

Hes 18 not 14. This is the end of his senior year not "developement during highschool". Omg you think its rape? Lmao.

 

[Kinyou]

This is messed up

 

[jett]

Maybe she shouldn't have fucked her student. *shrug*

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Maybe she shouldn't have fucked her student. *shrug*

For most of us, I think it's that simple. You'd think that in this day and age, teachers would be well versed on laws and rules regarding professional conduct and contact with students. Oh wait, they are. This isn't some, "I didn't know about the rule until just now!" kinda shit. She knew she was wrong, got caught, and now has to face the music that she was aware of before she sat on the kid's dick.

Every other month, another teacher is losing their job or going to jail or moving in with their student lover.

 

[marrec]

Maybe she shouldn't have fucked her student. *shrug*

It's entirely possible for a teacher to NOT fuck a student.

 

[jorma]

lolwut

speak for yourself, brah. you being willing to put your dick in anything at any moment as a teen != the rest of us. get that through your head.

All i get from this is that you didn't want to fuck the teacher when you were 18, but the adult man from the OP did.

If you reached the age of consent it means you are considered old enough to consent to sex. With anyone, not just people on a white list. Anyone.
You are not a victim if you are adult and consent to sex with your teacher.

18 year olds will and do have sex, I don't expect them to abstain. But sex with a teacher is fundamentally different from sex with a peer and it's obvious to most people, which is why there is a law against it.

That's not at all why there is a law against it. It's fucking Texas, that's why there is a law against it. This will get you fired where i live, but never prosecuted. Unless the prosecutor thinks he can prove coercion.

 

[marrec]

All i get from this is that you didn't want to fuck the teacher when you were 18, but the adult man from the OP did.

If you reached the age of consent it means you are considered old enough to consent to sex. With anyone, not just people on a white list. Anyone.
You are not a victim if you are adult and consent to sex with your teacher.

You cannot just say these things as if your word means anything.

In the state of Texas is considered a felony to sleep with a high school student, so no, an 18 year old in high school is not considered old enough to consent to sex with a teacher. That's the end of it, you are wrong.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

All i get from this is that you didn't want to fuck the teacher when you were 18, but the adult man from the OP did.

guess you didn't get anything from it. perhaps you should have read the chain of conversation before commenting.

You cannot just say these things as if your word means anything.

In the state of Texas is considered a felony to sleep with a high school student, so no, an 18 year old in high school is not considered old enough to consent to sex with a teacher. That's the end of it, you are wrong.

indeed.

 

[jorma]

You cannot just say these things as if your word means anything.

In the state of Texas is considered a felony to sleep with a high school student, so no, an 18 year old in high school is not considered old enough to consent to sex with a teacher. That's the end of it, you are wrong.

Yeah, because Texan lawmakers are universally highly rated in the morality legislation department, sigh.

 

[Kong Fisso]

Lol, it's rape now?

What. the. fuck.

 

[marrec]

Yeah, because Texan lawmakers are universally highly rated in the morality legislation department, sigh.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day?

Lol, it's rape now?

What. the. fuck.

Coerced sex by a teacher over a student is tantamount to rape in my book. That is not to say that Texas views it the same as I do, though in treating it as a class 2 felony they obviously understand how serious it is.

 

[jorma]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day?

A broken clock is mostly wrong though, and this time was no different.

 

[Sephiroth503]

Yeah, because Texan lawmakers are universally highly rated in the morality legislation department, sigh.

Morally speaking I would think a teacher having sex with their student is wrong full stop, so sounds like they're on the money this time?

 

[jorma]

Morally speaking I would think a teacher having sex with their student is wrong full stop, so sounds like they're on the money this time?

They are on the money if they can prove coercion. They are fucked up if they think they can assume coercion. Massive difference.

 

[marrec]

A broken clock is mostly wrong though, and this time was no different.

Jorma, in the eyes of the law and in my eyes this entire situation would be A-OK if the teacher could have just waited until the student had graduated and was no longer under her influence. There is a simple moral solution to their sexual desire and it wasn't done.

They are on the money if they can prove coercion. They are fucked up if they think they can assume coercion. Massive difference.

I think it's fucked up to assume there was no coercion. It's almost impossible for there not to be coercion between a student and teacher in this situation.

 

[Kong Fisso]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day?



Coerced sex by a teacher over a student is tantamount to rape in my book. That is not to say that Texas views it the same as I do, though in treating it as a class 2 felony they obviously understand how serious it is.

Where is the coercion? I can't find it in the article. Did she threaten to drop his grades if he didn't fuck her?

edit: oh, so she's a rapist because you can't imagine him fucking her voluntarily?

 

[marrec]

Where is the coercion? I can't find it in the article. Did she threaten to drop his grades if he didn't fuck her?

edit: oh, so she's a rapist because you can't imagine him fucking her voluntarily?

There is an amount of influence in the teacher/student relationship that makes non-coerced sex an impossibility. The Texas state legislature recognizes this.

 

[Oppo]

20 years is way beyond the pale. What a draconian place the south is turning into.

That's a greater travesty than the original "crime" by far.