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Two urgent care MD’s blow up the shut down.
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Revolutionary
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*clicks video*
*sees top comment which claims that the virus/shutdown is a ploy to undermine Trump*
*closes video & remove from watch history*
*sees top comment which claims that the virus/shutdown is a ploy to undermine Trump*
*closes video & remove from watch history*
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cryptoadam
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They make some good points and some that i think are wrong.
Big one i agree with is that what is shut down is not based on science. Grocery stores are probably the worst vector for virus tranamission and we know based on NY that a huge swath of asymptomatic people are going to grocery stores every day. Yet somehow you cant stand in a park alone or sit at a cafe alone ?
Big one i agree with is that what is shut down is not based on science. Grocery stores are probably the worst vector for virus tranamission and we know based on NY that a huge swath of asymptomatic people are going to grocery stores every day. Yet somehow you cant stand in a park alone or sit at a cafe alone ?
Vicetrailia
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I dunno if groceries are a good example because how would we eat?
Restaurants were limited to pickup only, but that wouldn't work for grocery stores.
highrider
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Fair enough it’s definitely right leaning as a YouTube channel, but I don’t think it really matters in terms of the data these guys are presenting. Very little opinion in it.
highrider
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That’s only the beginning of my madness.
cryptoadam
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It depends do you want to eat or stop the virus. Groceries being essential doesnt give them a special shield against covid. And consider covid lives on plastics for days especially in cool damp places and that case of water you bought is full of CV.
Groceries are essential for food so a choice was made to allow the virus to grow and transmit there because the alternative is way worse people starving to death. But its not because its safer or anything.
Thats the point i agree on. There isnt a scientific reason why lowes or wal mart is opened but a park is closed.
cryptoadam
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Anyone else think both these guys are gay ?
It has nothing to do with anything or change my opinion in what they say. And the black hair guy looks pretty buff.
It has nothing to do with anything or change my opinion in what they say. And the black hair guy looks pretty buff.
Vicetrailia
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Yeah but it's just based on need, not science. If you deemed grocery to have a high transfer rate, well you still need groceries. You don't need parks. You still need Lowe's to respond to natural disasters, and you need its plumbing. I don't see why a scientific position would be great here for corona.
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highrider
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Could be, kind of a blank for me. Anyone that well groomed I’m inherently suspect of lol
Schrödinger's cat
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Whatr'e you on about?
King of Foxes
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And were are the minority POC MDs? You seriously expect me to watch and listen to two white guys after what has happened in the world?
Umm slavery.
Umm colonialism.
Umm oppression of women
The fuck out of here with this racist dog whistles
Umm slavery.
Umm colonialism.
Umm oppression of women
The fuck out of here with this racist dog whistles
Djau
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Oh man, someone stole my post before I could post.
TheGreatYosh
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They're our MDs.
cryptoadam
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There gay.
King of Foxes
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U gay
Please submit your big brain reactions here.
Kenpachii
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IntentionalPun
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Scientific reason:
- People need to eat
- People don't need to go to parks
There you go. No one ever claimed grocery stores were safe.. lol.. your entire point is based on a straw man. Grocery stores are open because they are essential; they then are imposing rules and recommendations for relative safety and asking people not to go if they don't need to.
The Scrivener
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So these two cunts and their YouTube video didn't save the day then?
Gates is one step closer now.
Gates is one step closer now.
ManaByte
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Lack of Vitamin D is cited as a big risk factor among people dying from COVID. You know how you get more Vitamin D? Sunlight. It's almost as if they WANT people to get compromised immune systems and have half the population die from this for some reason...
IntentionalPun
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You can still go outside?
Parks are where people congregate.. hence why they closed in some places.
cryptoadam
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Not really. There is no reason the government cannot send each person 2 weeks worth of rations. Bread, grains, water, cheese, some meats, etc... Would it be a bit more difficult possibly, but it would be much safer and stop the virus from spreading.
Even your reasoning is really political and social and not based on science. If we closed grocery stores it would create mass panic and probably riots. But it isn't making anyone safer and consider that 13.5% of New Yorkers who go to grocery stores have the virus its essentialy the perfect vector for transfer of the virus.
Someone standing alone in a park especially in humid and sunny weather probably has a much lower chance of transmitting and catching the virus then the people going to the grocery store.
If we want to stop the virus from spreading we should be closing places that would have the highest rate for transmission.
IntentionalPun
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LOL
Just immediately pull a system out of their ass for gathering and sending 100's of millions of rations every 2 weeks?
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Djau
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The virus is more likely to survive for longer in humid weather than dry weather.
Britain pulled out the highly-successful furlough scheme out in about the same amount of time, that prevented employees getting sacked from this pandemic and still get paid. America's a mix of being lazy as fuck and wanting to vote against their own interests.
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IntentionalPun
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Totally the same thing..
cryptoadam
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It depends if you want to stop the virus or not. China was welding people in their homes to get rid of it.
All I am going to say is that a grocery store is much more dangerous for transmission than being out in a park.
If we take that decision to make a risky vector for transmission of the virus its not based on anything scientific outside of stopping riots and people starving because there isn't a way to get people food other wise.
Im going to go to the grocery store right now because I need food. But I know that I am taking the risk that the CV could be out there and I feel a lot less comfortable vs if I was going to go chill in the park for a few hours.
cryptoadam
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The DHS said increased humidity, temps and sunlight significantly decrease the virus half life. Unless I got the humidity part wrong?
IntentionalPun
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Yeah, it's the stopping riots and people not starving things vs.... going for a walk in a park.
WTF are you so confused about?
NOBODY THINKS GROCERY STORES ARE SAFE
Nobody thinks parks are particularly un-safe.... they just aren't remotely needed for people to survive. Also early on nobody really knew how safe the virus was in general outdoors. The fact the virus barely spreads outdoors is info from the last couple of weeks.
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Djau
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Grocery Stores are allowed open because for many people its the only source of food; its not that its safe to go there; it really isn't...but it has to stay open as its the primary source of food. Parks, Salons, Bars, etc are all non-essential as they have risks of exposure but don't have any benefit.
Only if it reaches a certain temperature; if its 56-60 degrees Celsius then yes it will likely kill it. If it doesn't hit that temperature then the humidity will help keep it in the air.
Only if it reaches a certain temperature; if its 56-60 degrees Celsius then yes it will likely kill it. If it doesn't hit that temperature then the humidity will help keep it in the air.
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bRacing
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No one is stopping people from going outside. Try an argument less stupid.
so you don't care about the owners of so-called non-essential businesses? are they not human? do they not feed? -- such compassion!
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SurprisedPikachu
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A virus with less than 500,000 deaths worldwide and we shutdown our entire world economy over it. You honestly don’t think there wasn’t some exterior motive? People are delusional.
Djau
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More have died in a matter of weeks than died in the Vietnam war.
Its about reducing the number of causalities; so next time you try that gotcha, maybe you should get a bit more education instead of sounding like some hick.
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Petey-o
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Now imagine if there wasn't a shutdown and how many dead there could've been.
Weiji
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I mean we will have to imagine because we will never know.
So far smart money says this thing is about 5 times more dangerous then the flu. So somewhere around 300k in the US when you include overwhelmed hospitals?
So a few hundred thousand people (mostly elderly) vs 30 million unemployed and trillions in debt.
This is the worst deal in the history of deals, maybe ever.
Petey-o
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It's not just the people who die from Covid (which we don't have a good grasp of yet as far as I'm aware), but also the extra deaths caused by an overwhelmed healthcare system. Just looking at the normal death rate from the past years compared to this years shows you the increase. Now imagine that *without* a lockdown.
Obviously it's hard to tell what would be more devastating from an economic point of view, same it is hard to have an idea how much of a negative health impact this lockdown has. I feel a bit uncomfortable about how casual some people are about a significant amount of deaths, though.
SurprisedPikachu
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Now that's just fear mongering. Stanford showed that COVID-19 was far more widespread than anyone thought and pretty much showing that staying home did nothing. But OK, believe what you want.
parroting the vacuous Vietnam comparison. good job
gotcha?
what you're saying is not addressing what i said. small business owners need money for food too, Joe
SurprisedPikachu
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That is just straight up fear mongering and you know it.
Petey-o
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Could you show what the study says about it? The article doesn't really say what you're claiming. Obviously there's a lot more infected than we know. A lot of people don't show symptoms and testing is lacking in most countries.
rykomatsu
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*Yawn*
"It's about flattening the curve"
"It's about reducing the number of casualties"
"Not one more"
moving goal posts much?
cryptoadam
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These doctors had some stupid numbers, they extraploations made 0 sense on their assumptions.
But the WHO is basically saying what these guys said. If you hospitals are good then allow the citizens to make their choices as long as the practice mitigation.
Djau
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Damn right they do, Government should be providing it.