TYFC indiegogo campaign supposedly hacked
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Led_Zeppelin
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There has been a huge buzz of what a person did or not regarding her personal life, but the issue i talk about it is about the relationship between journalist and editors with developers (and i don't mean lovers or whatever) and the fact that said publications dont tell their readers about said relation and how it can it can make them bias regarding said developer.
And this is something brougth to ligth a lot of times before (though the main complain before was the nature of the relationship between gaming sites and publishers)
I don't care who or what gaming "journalist" do if they tie themselves to the standards of a journalist code of ethics and either don't cover themselves events where they have a bias or they make clear to the reader of their potential bias.
theSlacker
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Neg. A portion of them donated to a project that was getting no coverage in all this because most people rather talk about the aspects of it that are not any of our business. Not only on /v/, but here and on about every other website and forum that has covered the Quinn stuff as well.
It got no coverage before the Quinn stuff blew up. How can people care about something that they didn't know about? Zoe commented on why she was against it on twitter btw, so it wasn't all made up information, even if it could have been exaggerated.
PairOfFilthySocks
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/v/ supporting this kickstarter harms the narrative of /v/ being populated by a utterly non-diverse range of opinions that Kotaku/Polygon/etc. like to parrot.
Between this and Phil Fish shouting into submission a lesser-known indie dev who dared to claim on Twitter he was sexually harassed by one of Fish's buddies, the concept of there being quite a few hypocrites amongst these supposed paragons of social values doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Between this and Phil Fish shouting into submission a lesser-known indie dev who dared to claim on Twitter he was sexually harassed by one of Fish's buddies, the concept of there being quite a few hypocrites amongst these supposed paragons of social values doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
I do wonder how many people are going to continue taking the "moral high ground", pretending like they don't absolutely love watching this chaotic trainwreck play out in delicious slow mo.
Really? Because I've seen a multitude of tweets from both journalists and developers that would definitely suggest some coziness between the two. If you don't see how that's problematic, I really don't know what to say.
I also don't understand how people can assume that every image /v/ ever compiles is somehow a "desperate crusade" or something when a lot of them are simply pointing out direct statements from journalists/developers on various websites (see: the whole issue surrounding Patricia Hernandez). To be frank, I'm finding it increasingly unlikely that the SJ crowd is somehow blameless in all of this and I think a lot of people are in denial about it.
TatteredHat
Member
Some people would probably prefer if the narrative continued to portray them as such.
People making money off clickbait articles, patreon/indiegogo, etc.
Messofanego
Banned
How many sides are there to this conflict?
TatteredHat
Member
How many sides are there to this conflict?
My best guess would be 3, possibly 4.
1) Zoe Quinn.
2) /v/.
3) Whoever hacked Phil Fish.
4) Whoever hacked the TYFC indiegogo campaign.
People were thinking that 2 was the cause of 3, but there's no way that 2 was the cause of 4. So either 2 wasn't the cause of 3 at all and 3 & 4 are the same group, or 2 was the cause of 3 and 4 is a different party.
Why not? It's a pretty decentralized community.
So please by all means post th evidence of this.
People on the sidelines have been asking over and over for 3 threadnaughts for actual evidence of this and yet nothing has shown up.
And something that isn't the same discredited picture that keeps getting reposted.
I find this to be the most likely solution.
I nominate /b/.
TatteredHat
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The same argument could be made against those who point to them regarding the Phil Fish hack, at which point blaming "/v/" becomes pointless because of the same reasoning.
The majority of them seemed to be in favor of supporting the TYFC campaign, otherwise they wouldn't have raised thousands of dollars in the last couple of days. Not to mention the effort they put into designing a character for one of the games.
How is Zoe Quinn involved with The Sony Agenda? What is her connection to Dutch merchants? Is she Suge Knight's shooter? Mister X Media will uncover the truth!
exmachina64
Banned
But what about the Microsoft Connection and the Nintendo Affair?
Messofanego
Banned
I think...this helps? Thanks, anyway.
Could there be a rogue clan of /v/ that actually wants to do good things?
We are talking about hundreds of thousand unique posters per day for /v/ alone. Just a 1000 wanting to donate adds up
TatteredHat
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4chan is chaos, there are both trolls and normal folk over there.
Messofanego
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Whoah, that's a lot. Sounds plausible.
You mean the tweets, like the whole thing with Hernandez? They're constantly being posted all over /v/. I'm not your lapdog, leave your isolated little bubble and you'll find them.
Edit: Also, most of /v/ fully acknowledged that the Cloudshare image you're talking about wasn't a very credible one. Actually, quite a few anons debunked it shortly after it was first posted.
I really like those threads! I'm a sucker for board tan threads in general though.
ActuallyHulk
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It's back up now and all the money is still there. They lost all the updates though so they'll have to retype everything. Small loss.
Nope. Which is very strange since all the major gaming outlets reported on Polytron being hacked the other day. I hate sounding like a conspiracy theorist but this whole thing is weirding me out.
They had no interest in covering it before, why would they bother reporting on it now?
If you have enough time to make accusations and browse other fourms for 'evidence', you have enough time to show that evidence in other forums that you are conversing on.
Else you are exactly like all of the other posters that have been banned for continuing this bullshit.
It is not my job to root around for your evidence to show to GAF.
Nope because anything involving Zoe atm is basically being left alone because of everything this past week.
Not all, and most of them took a day or two to get everything straight.
But yeah, I'm not going to be surprised if this doesn't get reported.
Pyroclastic
Banned
and maybe as a result there's only a 2page thread on here too, as opposed to the sixty squllion pages that followed the quinn allegations and the polytron hacking.
Seems to be back online, well sort of
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/women-making-video-games-for-charity
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/women-making-video-games-for-charity
Or maybe Zoe Quinn and Polytron were simply more widely known than TFYC, which many people hadn't even heard of until they were brought up in the Quinnspiracy allegations. (Yes, I realize many also hadn't heard of Quinn herself, but we're talking about different orders of magnitude here.)
At the moment I don't really know what to make of TFYC. At face value they seem to have a good cause, but having a self-proclaimed "anti-SJW" movement choose them as their champion gives me pause.
Sure, I mean it's not like there's a central thread on /v/ right now that covers everything you would ever need on this topic because the moderators don't want the discussion to be spammed.
It takes all of two minutes to locate exactly what I'm referring to, so no, I'm not digging all of this up for you when you can see it for yourself directly in significantly less time. Cry me a river.
SparkPeople
Banned
It's back up now.
4chan is definitely using them as a "Hey, we're not assholes, we care about women in games too!" and the organizers are riding the wave to help get funded.
What that means for your opinion of the whole thing is up to you.
I looked up this central thread, and here's some of the so-called "proof" ,
http://imgur.com/a/bqhRY
http://imgur.com/a/x0NpT
TL;DR:
Nathan Grayson is apparently shilling for Robin Arnott. Leigh Alexander is apparently shilling for Anna Anthropy and her girlfriend Daphny and they're conspiring against Jim Sterling? What?
I have no idea who any of these people are. That's solid proof right there and not just absolute garbage scribbled together that's grasping at straws.
INDIE DEVS NEPOTISM BLAAAARGH, like holy shit, aren't there any other things you'd want fixed in the game industry? JUST that apparently these 4 people have written articles that mentioned eachother?
On the other hand I did find this classy post which really convinced me of Zoe's evil ways.
This is surely the biggest scandal in videogames history that needs to be shouted from the rooftops for days on end.
jim-jam bongs
Member
indiegogo getting hacked seems like a worthy story in and of itself.
Look at this thread. The fact that 4chan supports them apparently means they're guilty by association. Most media outlets won't touch this story now for the same reason they wouldn't touch it before, it's too close to the Quinnspiracy.
PairOfFilthySocks
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Doesn't paint the right/wrong people in their respective lights. Doesn't have an easy angle for the games media to push. Hence, no coverage.
Amusingly, you skipped over the one the poster was referring to in regards to Patrica Hernandez: http://i.imgur.com/eEtluke.png That's alright though, people have been sending it to Stephen Totilo via Twitter and he swears he's going to look into it.
KuroPyonyo
Banned
I really like vivian james design. Good job /v/!
Please stop having prejudices against 4chan, its a gigantic site and every user has its own intentions and belives.
They are not that giant evil hive mind people make them out to be.
And no, I'm not an active 4chan user.
Please stop having prejudices against 4chan, its a gigantic site and every user has its own intentions and belives.
They are not that giant evil hive mind people make them out to be.
And no, I'm not an active 4chan user.
To be fair, that post was laughed right off the board.
It's definitely not my intention to argue that there isn't anyone on 4chan grasping at straws to try and push an agenda - people do things like this all the time. That being said, I can't help but find stuff like this particularly suspect. Even if there's a situation where the journalist in question hasn't covered the developer's game extensively, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I'm perfectly fine with something I think there are potential fallbacks to.
I apologize about that, they kind of blend together.
it's literally an anime version of dodger
I remember that post, people called him out on his bullshit. Don't try to say that sort of craziness is what every /v/ user believes.I looked up this central thread, and here's some of the so-called "proof" ,
http://imgur.com/a/bqhRY
http://imgur.com/a/x0NpT
TL;DR:
Nathan Grayson is apparently shilling for Robin Arnott. Leigh Alexander is apparently shilling for Anna Anthropy and her girlfriend Daphny and they're conspiring against Jim Sterling? What?
I have no idea who any of these people are. That's solid proof right there and not just absolute garbage scribbled together that's grasping at straws.
INDIE DEVS NEPOTISM BLAAAARGH, like holy shit, aren't there any other things you'd want fixed in the game industry? JUST that apparently these 4 people have written articles that mentioned eachother?
On the other hand I did find this classy post which really convinced me of Zoe's evil ways.
This is surely the biggest scandal in videogames history that needs to be shouted from the rooftops for days on end.