UFC 162: Silva vs. Weidman |OT| God or Fraud

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Maklershed said:
He only won one fight between losing to Jones and before 162 was announced and that was against Bisping.
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He also squashed Rockhold. A short notice loss at light heavyweight shouldn't affect what happens in middleweight. It's funny because Vitor had no business whatsoever fighting Anderson the first time yet he's actually done the most now to earn a shot but not many people want to see a rematch after he ate foot the first time plus all the TRT baggage.
 
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Weidman is respectable enough for Anderson to decide he should feel him out for a round before he TKO's him in the second. Then everyone declares Weidman a can and people who hate Anderson with a passion will move onto the next guy who will be the dubbed the latest "first legitimate threat Anderson's ever faced!"

Rinse and repeat until age actually defeats Silva.
 
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Master Thespian said:
Weidman is respectable enough for Anderson to decide he should feel him out for a round before he TKO's him in the second. Then everyone declares Weidman a can and people who hate Anderson with a passion will move onto the next guy who will be the dubbed the latest "first legitimate threat Anderson's ever faced!"

Rinse and repeat until age actually defeats Silva.
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The Silver apologists already preparing their excuses.
 
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Chamber, I think these guys are confusing "I'm rooting for Chris Weidman!" and "I can see from a mile away that this Joe with a flat affect and zero buzz is actually a freak talent that will beat Anderson Silva"
 
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I really don't get these odds...those Zuffa/Renzo/GSP wolf tickets can't outweigh the flood of casuals who will put money on Silva because they don't know shit about Wideman and are convinced that Silva let himself get taken down by the Shale to prove a point about Nogueira Jiu Jitsu.

E: I think the odds are spot on objectively...just surprised that the bookies are baiting Anderson fans like this.
 
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polyh3dron

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It is a classic, young go-getter vs. the grizzled older veteran, youth vs. experience, up and comer vs. the champ.

But 2 things that stand out to me is that Weidman has been sidelined for quite a long time, his last fight being on 12 july 2012, and Anderson is notorious for his ability to stay calm in some tricky situations and thriving off the mistakes of his opponents.

The inexperience, coupled with the lenghty break from fighting, take that and put it up against someone like Silva and it seems like a complete shot in the dark to bet on Weidman.

Sure Silva will lose eventually, age will catch up to him and he will get slower, weaker etc. But i do not think Weidman is the guy that will beat him
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Anderson's last fight was a week before that on July 7th, 2012...

..unless you count that "thing" with Bonnar to be a fight, lol.
 
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muddream said:
I really don't get these odds...those Zuffa/Renzo/GSP wolf tickets can't outweigh the flood of casuals who will put money on Silva because they don't know shit about Wideman and are convinced that Silva let himself get taken down by the Shale to prove a point about Nogueira Jiu Jitsu.
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They'll probably spread out closer to the fight. -350/+250 seems about average for Andy if you disregard his squash matches against Irvin and Bonnar.
 
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So I haven't been following Weidman (or MMA that much for the past year or so) but he's the "hometown hero" so all these people who didn't even know MMA existed are talking about this fight.

Is he that good or is this just Dana trying his hardest to put over a fight that has no reason being made? (like Silva vs Maia)

also who cares what Sonnen says. Dude told Urijah Hall he could beat Anderson Silva because he was KOing scrubs on TUF
 
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Master Thespian said:
At least I've been consistent in saying that Silva will lose to father time. Haters have desperately hoped every single fight that them calling him a fraud for almost a decade would finally be validated.
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Rob N Banks said:
Is he that good or is this just Dana trying his hardest to put over a fight that has no reason being made? (like Silva vs Maia)
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Rob N Banks said:
So I haven't been following Weidman (or MMA that much for the past year or so) but he's the "hometown hero" so all these people who didn't even know MMA existed are talking about this fight.

Is he that good or is this just Dana trying his hardest to put over a fight that has no reason being made? (like Silva vs Maia)

also who cares what Sonnen says. Dude told Urijah Hall he could beat Anderson Silva because he was KOing scrubs on TUF
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That's the thing, Dana has only been trying to put over this fight like the past week. Zero faith in the Wideman.
 
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Omega

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Plywood said:
That's the thing, Dana has only been trying to put over this fight like the past week. Zero faith in the Wideman.
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Really? I was in the hospital last week and all I saw were commercials for this fight. Figured he was promoting the hell out of this match for awhile

I don't even know who I want to win. Weidman is from my hometown, I'm friends with his brother in law but seeing all these fake MMA fans who didn't even know this sport existed a year ago is laughable.

then Silva winning will also be fun. All the haters who hype up every fighter as "having the tools to beat him" and will "expose him for the fraud he is" end up being demoted to can status after they lose. on the otherhand the 185lb division needs a change..
 
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Chamber

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Plywood said:
That's the thing, Dana has only been trying to put over this fight like the past week. Zero faith in the Wideman.
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Probably true. Joe Silver is the one who spearheaded Weidman's title shot. Uncle Dana is too busy trying to to put together superfights that won't ever happen outside of EA UFC.
 
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Holy crap, today I found out that MMA Gaf might be just as bad as Pop Gaf!

:p

I'm excited about the fight. I know next to nothing about MMA, but I always love watching Silva.

Surprised to see all the talk about Weidman's wrestling skills. Can he stand toe-to-toe? Will he be able to take down Silva to avoid that?

Love it.
 
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oneils said:
Holy crap, today I found out that MMA Gaf might just be as bad as Pop Gaf!

:p

I'm excited about the fight. I know next to nothing about MMA, but I always love watching Silva.

Surprised to see all the talk about Weidman's wrestling skills. Can he stand toe-to-toe? Will he be able to take down Silva to avoid that?

Love it.
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Weidman's a better wrestler than anyone Silva has ever fought.
 
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oneils said:
Holy crap, today I found out that MMA Gaf might just be as bad as Pop Gaf!

:p

I'm excited about the fight. I know next to nothing about MMA, but I always love watching Silva.

Surprised to see all the talk about Weidman's wrestling skills. Can he stand toe-to-toe? Will he be able to take down Silva to avoid that?

Love it.
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That was uncalled for.
 
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TheKaeptain said:
Nah he'll win in the fourth.
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I'm expecting a stoppage, probably in the 2nd.

I don't believe that Weidman can just go around feeling Anderson for 3 rounds and then somehow win it in the fourth. That's opposite of Weidman should do since Anderson can figure his way out if you give him time.

Imo the longer the fight goes, the worse for Wideman.
 
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muddream

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Can Crusher said:
Honestly I'm starting to think we are underestimating Silva.
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I think it's fair to say that Weidman beats Silva on paper, it's another thing to favor him to win. Silva's ability to remain unnaturally relaxed under pressure and ruin someone's shit in an instant are by far the best intangibles in MMA.
 
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Rob N Banks said:
So I haven't been following Weidman (or MMA that much for the past year or so) but he's the "hometown hero" so all these people who didn't even know MMA existed are talking about this fight.

Is he that good or is this just Dana trying his hardest to put over a fight that has no reason being made? (like Silva vs Maia)
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There's some of the typical manufactured hype, but Weidman's pretty solid. A lot of people are picking him to win in large part due to Anderson's first performance against Chael, where he was taken down and controlled for 4 rounds. Weidman is a big 185'er and good wrestler who, very much unlike Chael, actually has some power in his hands and a much better submission game.

Should be an interesting fight. If Andy knocks Weidman out in the first or second round I don't know that anyone will be all that surprised, except Weidman's camp. But Weidman winning wouldn't be that shocking either, though a stoppage would be quite a thing to see after so many years.
 
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Karsius said:
Thats what they said about Sonnen. Twice.
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Thing is, unlike Sonnen, Weidman also has really really good BJJ and he has much better striking. So unlike Sonnen who had to rely solely on his wrestling as his path to victory, Wiedman can mix it up so that when Anderson is watching for the takedown it opens up some striking opportunities and such.

EDIT: beaten by a minute.
 
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First Sonnen fight told me nothing because Silva was hurt. But in the 2nd, Silva got mounted in the first... Silva figured it out in the 2nd round and finished Sonnen like he didn't belong. If Wideman gets that mount... man.
 
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I don't think people realize how dangerous Weidman's BJJ game is, especially coupled with his wrestling. The fact that he's a complete package is what makes this interesting and separates him from the Shael and Maia. It's about being able to put Anderson on his back and do something with it.

Let me put it this way. After 3 months in a gi, less than a year of BJJ, and his second class with John Danaher, he was pulled aside by and asked what belt he was. John Danaher was prepared to give him a black belt on the spot if he said he was a brown. He said he was a blue belt, and was promoted to purple. Now realize that this was 4 years ago.

This isn't hyperbole or a hype job. He is a prodigy.
 
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If somehow Silva loses (I doubt), the rematch will be something like this :

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Zeliard said:
There's some of the typical manufactured hype, but Weidman's pretty solid. A lot of people are picking him to win in large part due to Anderson's first performance against Chael, where he was taken down and controlled for 4 rounds.
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Silva was meditating while Sonnen was desperate trying to do anything =P

People can say whatever they want about Weidman ... but that Sonnen fight means NOTHING to talk about how Silva works against wrestlers.
 
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polyh3dron said:
Because Anderson Silva fights are always so fucking boring.. Dude is practically a 185lb Fitch.
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He cockstrut/dances around for a round making it longer just for show then brutalizes the guy rather quickly in the next round. Fights are on repeat as a snorefest of banality, The day he loses will be great so there is an actual story line leading up to the fight again.
 
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polyh3dron

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Ok I know the Bonnar "fight" was a complete farce, but look at how Okami has been able to neutralize every other fighter save Sonnen (and gave Boetsch a run for his money), that makes what Anderson did to him pretty special. Also the first Sonnen fight was far from a walk in the park.

He's not GSPing his way through these fights.
 
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i used to hate silva but he has defeated people for so long, how can you hate

yes recently they havent been great opponents and hes getting old but it still feels weird to call him a fraud

is this just clamouring for his defeat? or legit saying he is a fraud because he wouldnt fight jones or gsp?
 
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Zeliard said:
There's some of the typical manufactured hype, but Weidman's pretty solid. A lot of people are picking him to win in large part due to Anderson's first performance against Chael, where he was taken down and controlled for 4 rounds. Weidman is a big 185'er and good wrestler who, very much unlike Chael, actually has some power in his hands and a much better submission game.

Should be an interesting fight. If Andy knocks Weidman out in the first or second round I don't know that anyone will be all that surprised, except Weidman's camp. But Weidman winning wouldn't be that shocking either, though a stoppage would be quite a thing to see after so many years.
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It'd be pretty shocking to me. I'm in the camp that loves Silva and have been following his career for a long time. Though, it's one of those situations where you want him to win, but you also want Silva to be challenged. He hasn't been challenged in a long time.
 
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