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Great night of fighting IMO.
UFC 76: Knockout
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PAYBACKill
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ToxicAdam said:
got a round by round breakdown of that?
Actually I think Fedor will sign. Maybe after Wandy fights, especially if he loses. All this talk of Pride fighters juicing has got to be pissing off Fedor. Here's hoping he cements his legacy by signing up for dismantling the heavyweight division instead of taking the easy way out and staying undefeated in bodog. I think Fedor is a warrior who wants to prove he's the best. At the same time, Dana has got to be looking at a Randy/Fedor fight as one of the few big money fights he has left.
Stoney Mason
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Jardine is such a handsome dude I'm really not sure why he isn't male modeling instead of fighting in the UFC...
Another funny thing is all the people who were highly upset in the UFC 75 thread when it was suggested it would be difficult for Chuck to get the belt back.
OokieSpookie
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Stoney Mason said:
Jardine is such a handsome dude I'm really not sure why he isn't male modeling instead of fighting in the UFC...
Another funny thing is all the people who were highly upset in the UFC 75 thread when it was suggested it would be difficult for Chuck to get the belt back.
That is dumb, it was a lucky shot to the chin.....oh wait....
Wow. Good job by Forrest. Didn't think he had it in him. Would have been 30-27 like Randy predicted but a finish makes it more definitive that Forrest belongs. And that's just it, many people will say Shogun and Chuck were overrated but it's really Forrest and Jardine that were underrated. I thought Jardine would get knocked out with one of Chuck's looping punches but without that, Chuck wasn't technically the better striker. We may have lost some marquee matchups like Rampage/Shogun and Chuck/Wand but gaining a more competitive division with numerous great matchups like Chuck/Shogun, Wand/Houston, Hendo/Jardine, and Machida/Forrest are worth it.
PAYBACKill
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Eggo said:
JASON MAYHEM MILLER
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Eh, I've seen no source that Couture burned bridges with Hendo/Lindland. Lindland trained with Couture earlier this year before his fight with Fedor. And if bridges were burnt, why would Randy refuse to train Rampage against Hendo. Just because you moved away from your friends doesn't mean there was a problem with the friendship. Hendo moved away from the original Team Quest in Oregon to get his own gym in a Cali afterall.pel1300 said:
In UD gameplans where the fighters push the pace, the fight will be exciting. Some guys are just hard to finish and you have to plan for it to go to decision. As long as the plan isn't to stall for every minute of every round, the fight will be good.vpance said:
pel1300
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Asbel said:
Where is your source that Couture trained Lindland for his fight against Fedor?
Randy and Hendo aren't enemies now or anything. But they definitely stopped being close friends ever since Randy left TQ. At the UG, Dan said "I haven't spoken to him in months" when people asked what he thought of Randy's win against Tim Sylvia.
Randy didn't completely refuse to train Rampage against Hendo. He did let Rampage train at his gym, though he did not personally coach him during that time. It's similar to how Frank Shamrock didn't train with Tito for his fight against Ken, even though Frank and Ken were not in good terms. I guarantee you that if Hendo had asked Randy for help against Rampage, Randy would have refused.
Anyway, it's pretty clear that Randy and Rampage have trained together recently, and hasn't trained with Dan for years. Randy and Rampage are probably more close than Randy and Hendo right now. When is the last time you saw Randy or Hendo corner each other? Or even speak to each other?
Also, Dan doesn't even live that far from Randy nowadays...
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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He does get drunk the night before a fight. There were pictures all over the Internet of him in a strip club the night before a fight sometime last year.pel1300 said:
http://www.lvrj.com/news/7714592.html
Hiero Schall said:
I must respectfully disagree here.
MMA hasn't matured yet, not that it's a problem because it's still a new sport", and that IS the reason why we have all these so-called upsets.
This isn't like seeing Michael Jordan back in the day in the Finals where it was pretty much a sure thing, this is an continuously evolving sport so today's champion can just as easily be tomorrow's loser.....and I LOVE that about the sport.
As far as Shogun goes, I consider wins against Arona, Nogueira, and destroying Rampage credible victories.
I will agree with you on the lack of a "RINGS Magazine" for MMA, but that will come in time as the UFC gets larger and more fighters are signed to the organization.
pel1300
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Yeah because being at a night club automatically means you are getting plastered...right...
Use some common sense people. Chuck trained his ass off for the rampage fight. His coach and teammates kept talking about how he looked sharper than ever and in the best shape of his career the night before the fight.
lol @ you people who actually think any pro-fighter with an ounce of common sense is gonna get trashed the night before a big fight after training so hard, eating right, then cutting weight, etc.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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So change it to "Chuck was at a strip club the night before the fight." It's still stupid.pel1300 said:
I'm not sure you've ever seen Chuck Liddell. I'd hate to know what he looks like before cutting weight since he always has his fight gut.pel1300 said:
pel1300
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
You're totally missing the point here. I was simply saying that it's laughable to believe that Chuck was getting trashed the night before the fight and competing while hung over.
Who cares if he was simply at a strip club. It's not like hes supposed to be training the night before a fight or something.
Your point? Are you saying he doesn't cut weight or something? He usually has the gut whether hes in good shape or not.
EDIT: As for your "I'd hate to see what he looks like before cutting weight" comment...Chuck weighs around 220lbs before and during a fight. He only weighs 205 lbs for when he weighs in after cutting the weight, then by fight time he is probably closer to 220 lbs.
Alex Anderson
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alr1ghtstart said:
Thank you, sir.
Ned Flanders
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Shogun basically did the same thing his brother just did against Lawler. He set a ridiculously high level of tempo and technique against a dangerous opponent, instead of developing and pursuing a set gameplan against him. Shogun was largely winning the standup exchanges in the first round, but Forrest defended his takedowns near flawlessly and landed a lot of clean GNP when Shogun (often inexplicably) gave his back and turtled before pulling guard. After getting a few of his better shots stuffed (he did manage a few quality takedowns, and Forrest's footsweep after exchanging knees was incredible) and clearly landing some quality shots on Forrest while engaging, he should have opted to stand near-exclusively instead of chasing so many single legs, and taking heaps of punishment in the process.
Forrest gameplanned him perfectly, came in at top shape, and took advantage of every opportunity to the maximum of his ability. When Shogun chased, he counter struck, and when Shogun turtled, he closed in to control him and GNP from the top. Forrest took some serious, serious damage in the process, but he's never been afraid of a scrap, and he certainly seemed conditioned to go for a five rounder. Had Shogun been in remotely decent shape, I think the advantage probably would have been in his favor, but even then, it seemed as if he was determined to take the hard road in order to impress fans, as opposed to playing against the strengths and weaknesses of his opponent.
Liddell is seemingly another fighter who struggles to implement a good gameplan and adapt it to his opponent. Its like if he can't get his strikes off on his terms, he struggles. Jardine was willing to take a lick and not get cocky (aka fleeing when appropriate), and had an extremely diverse in-and-out attack plan for stopping Chuck. He weaved in and out, peppering Chuck and changing levels to his great advantage. I can't remember the last time I saw a fight where a guy got beaten up from his shins all the way up to his forehead. Chucks body, legs, and head all took some serious damage in this fight, and although he didn't get KO'd, Jardine sending him to the canvas with a big bomb only did more to whither his mystique of invincibility. This fight, like CroCop's recent second-consecutive loss, also went a long way towards exposing Chuck as a narrowly-styled fighter who can be gameplaned and beaten in a number of ways. Sure Chuck's been outstruck before, but he's never failed to find a way to bail himself out with a big right hand bomb. Rampage showed that if you cut off the ring, you take him out of his comfort zone, and Jardine showed that if you can take away his base and counterstrike selectively, you can minimize his attack.
In all, last night seemed to prove that mystiques and legends are only as valid as the fights portray, and that its simply not enough to bring your name or your pedigree into an MMA fight. To win consistently at this level, you now have to be so diverse, so adaptable, and so well-rounded, that only a limited few will be able to truly earn the reverence and aura that is bestowed upon the greats. When you start looking at the top guys in their class...Couture, GSP, Fedor, Rampage, A. Silva, you come to realize that not only do you have to be strong everywhere, that you have to be freakishly gifted of mind and technique. Time will tell who is left standing of all of our long-time beloved fighters, but I think that this is merely a sign of the continued evolution and growth of MMA technique at the elite levels, and this is only gonna mean better competition for the fans.
Does this mean that Chuck is done and that Shogun is run-of-the-mill in the UFC? Certainly not, but it simply means that they are going to have to continue to adapt and improve in order to continue to be relevant as fighters, and that progress at the top isn't slowing down for anyone's name or reputation. Only the wolves will eat from '08 onward..
Forrest gameplanned him perfectly, came in at top shape, and took advantage of every opportunity to the maximum of his ability. When Shogun chased, he counter struck, and when Shogun turtled, he closed in to control him and GNP from the top. Forrest took some serious, serious damage in the process, but he's never been afraid of a scrap, and he certainly seemed conditioned to go for a five rounder. Had Shogun been in remotely decent shape, I think the advantage probably would have been in his favor, but even then, it seemed as if he was determined to take the hard road in order to impress fans, as opposed to playing against the strengths and weaknesses of his opponent.
Liddell is seemingly another fighter who struggles to implement a good gameplan and adapt it to his opponent. Its like if he can't get his strikes off on his terms, he struggles. Jardine was willing to take a lick and not get cocky (aka fleeing when appropriate), and had an extremely diverse in-and-out attack plan for stopping Chuck. He weaved in and out, peppering Chuck and changing levels to his great advantage. I can't remember the last time I saw a fight where a guy got beaten up from his shins all the way up to his forehead. Chucks body, legs, and head all took some serious damage in this fight, and although he didn't get KO'd, Jardine sending him to the canvas with a big bomb only did more to whither his mystique of invincibility. This fight, like CroCop's recent second-consecutive loss, also went a long way towards exposing Chuck as a narrowly-styled fighter who can be gameplaned and beaten in a number of ways. Sure Chuck's been outstruck before, but he's never failed to find a way to bail himself out with a big right hand bomb. Rampage showed that if you cut off the ring, you take him out of his comfort zone, and Jardine showed that if you can take away his base and counterstrike selectively, you can minimize his attack.
In all, last night seemed to prove that mystiques and legends are only as valid as the fights portray, and that its simply not enough to bring your name or your pedigree into an MMA fight. To win consistently at this level, you now have to be so diverse, so adaptable, and so well-rounded, that only a limited few will be able to truly earn the reverence and aura that is bestowed upon the greats. When you start looking at the top guys in their class...Couture, GSP, Fedor, Rampage, A. Silva, you come to realize that not only do you have to be strong everywhere, that you have to be freakishly gifted of mind and technique. Time will tell who is left standing of all of our long-time beloved fighters, but I think that this is merely a sign of the continued evolution and growth of MMA technique at the elite levels, and this is only gonna mean better competition for the fans.
Does this mean that Chuck is done and that Shogun is run-of-the-mill in the UFC? Certainly not, but it simply means that they are going to have to continue to adapt and improve in order to continue to be relevant as fighters, and that progress at the top isn't slowing down for anyone's name or reputation. Only the wolves will eat from '08 onward..
Matt was in Vegas before his Fedor fight and visited Randy at his gym. They trained together during the visit. I tried and I can't find a source for such old news, but I'd like to think I'm more trustworthy than any random Sherdog poster. Obviously, Randy, Matt, and Dan drifted apart due too their busy lives but to say bridges were burnt means they can't go back to being friends again. But like you said, they aren't enemies.pel1300 said:
Tchu-Espresso
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I think the thing that hurt Shogun the most was the fact that he not once could pass Forrest's guard or even manage to stand up to launch a superman back into the guard. Forrest's defense was near flawless, besides eating a few vicious elbows in full guard of course.
Rewatching the fight, it was a lot closer than i initially thought - infact, i would of given rd 1 to Shogun, with round 2 being very close.
Rewatching the fight, it was a lot closer than i initially thought - infact, i would of given rd 1 to Shogun, with round 2 being very close.
OokieSpookie
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Apparently Chuck is pondering the big R word now
Tchu-Espresso
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The fuck? After all the hype for a silva matchup, hed be considered a coward if he just retired now.OokieSpookie said:
OokieSpookie
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The following is a brief quote from an article by Kevin Iole over at Yahoo! Sports:
When Liddell lost Saturday for the second time in a row, he said he's going to contemplate whether to fight again, which doesn't leave much hope for the dream bout.
When Liddell lost Saturday for the second time in a row, he said he's going to contemplate whether to fight again, which doesn't leave much hope for the dream bout.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why? He's such a hard trainer that always eats right and never horses around an entire week before a fight.OokieSpookie said:
Ninja Scooter
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UFC should try to milk one more Chuck/Tito fight before they both completely fade into bolivia
pel1300
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MaX_PL said:
Evidence of what? That he was at a strip club the night before his fight? Oh big whoop dee doo!!!
Show me evidence of him downing beers and taking shots of whiskey that night, then I'll care.
And lol @ you suggesting I believe everything I hear...when you are the one who actually believes he was out getting wasted the night before a championship fight.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I was making a general statement about how ridiculous it would be for any fighter or pro athlete(not just Chuck) to train hard for a couple months, cut weight(which includes eating right, obviously) then waste that all by getting drunk the night before a fight.
However since we're on that topic anyway - Chuck is the one who asked for the Rampage fight so he could avenge the only loss left on his record(that he hadn't avenged already).
Ever since losing to Rampage in 2003, Chuck wanted that rematch badly. He got it, and seemed more motivated than ever in the weeks prior to that rematch. I think there were some video interviews around that time that followed his training regimen as well.
So was he out at night clubs getting plastered all the time instead of training, including the night before the fight? Well, I seriously doubt that...but you seem to think that. Oh well I guess there isn't any proof either way.
GenericPseudonym
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What's even more funny is the guy behind him.alr1ghtstart said:
OokieSpookie
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Ninja Scooter said:
Chuck retiring would be the worst thing that could happen to Tito.
That is a hell of a monkey to have on your back and not have a chance to get rid of.
so i caught the ppv at my local hooters and the place was a madhouse. i honestly haven't seen it so electrified for a fight ppv since the mike tyson days. is dana pissed about jardine and griffin's victory, stalling dream fights between shogun/rampage and wandy/lidell? not one bit, the new fans of mma could care less. both griffin and diego sanchez drew more cheers than anyone last night. it is these masses that dana white and ufc will sell to.
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In about 30 minutes.
Tchu-Espresso
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The Faceless Master
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Mauricio gassing in 7 minutes? Nakamura looking like a can? Wow.
Thiago vs Tyson was my fight of the night.
Superstitions about 2007 be damned, Fedor should sign on. Recent pride fighter disappointments do not diminish Fedor at all. This is fucking Fedor. If a dude steps into the cage with machine guns for arms, Fedor will meet him with a kevlar exoskeleton.
...If Fedor comes to the UFC and loses I'll cry, haha.
Thiago vs Tyson was my fight of the night.
Superstitions about 2007 be damned, Fedor should sign on. Recent pride fighter disappointments do not diminish Fedor at all. This is fucking Fedor. If a dude steps into the cage with machine guns for arms, Fedor will meet him with a kevlar exoskeleton.
...If Fedor comes to the UFC and loses I'll cry, haha.
Tchu-Espresso
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Have the tissues ready then.
Tchu-Espresso
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True the main card was top notch, minus sardine in the main event - even if he did win in a sloppy brawl.123rl said:
The main event was probably the least interesting match of the night because everything else was so good. When was the last time that happened? The main event was ok but I expected a lot more. I just don't like the way Jardine fights and Chuck had a very disappointing night
Griffin/Shogun was great as well. Shogun was impressive on his debut, even though he slowed down about halfway into the fight. Forrest Griffin did very well though. I'm predicting a title shot for him within nine months unless he has a massive loss soon
Griffin/Shogun was great as well. Shogun was impressive on his debut, even though he slowed down about halfway into the fight. Forrest Griffin did very well though. I'm predicting a title shot for him within nine months unless he has a massive loss soon
I saw this on Bravo last night aswell, great stuff even though I was told before hand there was no ko's. They only showed 4 fights though, whats that fight with the double powerbomb?
Nice fight by Forrest, I picked him and knew the guy has a lot of heart. Though I cant remember seeing a fighter get as continuously battered and bruised as he does in all his fights. That was a huge gash he recieved.
Chuck looked lethargic and his punches looked like they had no power, even if he had connected, Jardine probably would of laughed. It was highly unimpressive by Chuck.
One thing I've learned about MMA, I dont believe there is a "best" fighter. The top 10 are so closely matched, its more about the clash of styles and the way fighters fight rather than their ability. For example, Jardine would fuck up Chuck every time becuase of the way he fights yet would probably lose to others Chuck is favoured against like Babalu.
Nice fight by Forrest, I picked him and knew the guy has a lot of heart. Though I cant remember seeing a fighter get as continuously battered and bruised as he does in all his fights. That was a huge gash he recieved.
Chuck looked lethargic and his punches looked like they had no power, even if he had connected, Jardine probably would of laughed. It was highly unimpressive by Chuck.
One thing I've learned about MMA, I dont believe there is a "best" fighter. The top 10 are so closely matched, its more about the clash of styles and the way fighters fight rather than their ability. For example, Jardine would fuck up Chuck every time becuase of the way he fights yet would probably lose to others Chuck is favoured against like Babalu.
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