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uh.. this is not backward compability (360 related)

Wow. From crap to crapper.

But really, even though BC is an important feature, wouldn't it be easier to just scrap it completely?
 
Striek said:
Wow. From crap to crapper.

But really, even though BC is an important feature, wouldn't it be easier to just scrap it completely?
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No BC is better than half-assed BC.

Some BC is better than no BC.

Full BC is better than everything.
 
This is actually making me hesitant to buy ANY more XBox games at all. I've been looking hard at both Conker and Stubbs and decided to buy both. But since I'm sold on the 360, and the BC is spotty at VERY best, I'm not going to. Some new Halo 2 maps, and that's it.

If you want to snuff out a system's sales early, this is how to do it, MS. Fucking idiots.
 
Oh, c'mon. If Folder was here he would remind you all that GamesIndustry.Biz are just a bunch of rumor-mongering hacks that will print anything and that they only seem credible because of the professional-sounding URL.

Then he would tell you that Nintendo is going to turn the DS into a PDA.
 
Well for people who are interested in BC because they never had an xbox this is not a big deal. I only want a few games on the xbox and if 360 has a few ones I'm interested in I'll buy it along with the 'recompiled' xbox ones. I guess for people who already own those and just want to use their 360 to play it's a problem but really if you have an xbox just use it instead.
 
A Microsoft rep was talking to this other guy that was standing next to me explaining the backward compatibility situation. He basically let slip "we're working on Halo 2 first," and then backpedaled after that just saying "we're going to make it backward compatible..."

First eh... Yeah, I think they don't really quite know how they're going to do it yet themselves exactly. :lol

Not to say it's not doable, but they've got a ways to go yet.
 
Chrono said:
Well for people who are interested in BC because they never had an xbox this is not a big deal. I only want a few games on the xbox and if 360 has a few ones I'm interested in I'll buy it along with the 'recompiled' xbox ones. I guess for people who already own those and just want to use their 360 to play it's a problem but really if you have an xbox just use it instead.
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Space and cords are a big deal to me. I have very limited shelf space for 'live' hardware, and have five sets of y-cables as it is to pump DVD, VHS and XBox into a TV with only one input for audio and video each (15-year old Mitsubishi 27", still with a great image display).

My wife would tell you I'm kinda picky about this sort of stuff, and I am. But the fact is, for whatever reason, I don't consider having more than one system set up at a time to be an option. For that reason, MS get the big "fuck you" for not getting this right.
 
Chrono said:
Well for people who are interested in BC because they never had an xbox this is not a big deal. I only want a few games on the xbox and if 360 has a few ones I'm interested in I'll buy it along with the 'recompiled' xbox ones. I guess for people who already own those and just want to use their 360 to play it's a problem but really if you have an xbox just use it instead.
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Xbox hardware isn't going to last forever. Mine occasionally makes loud whirring noises (hdd maybe) and I've had it for a bit less than a year. It would be a great comfort to know I can play new games like Jade Empire and Forza on X360.
 
They could do some clever high level emulation in order to get some Xbox games running on 360, but it's practically impossible to get all games running that way. Recompiling and reselling them is much easier way :-)
 
GhaleonEB said:
This is actually making me hesitant to buy ANY more XBox games at all. I've been looking hard at both Conker and Stubbs and decided to buy both. But since I'm sold on the 360, and the BC is spotty at VERY best, I'm not going to. Some new Halo 2 maps, and that's it.

If you want to snuff out a system's sales early, this is how to do it, MS. Fucking idiots.
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I agree, news like this makes me not want to buy any more Xbox1 software

sadly, since some of the coming titles seem intersting (Conker and Stubbs among them)

i sincerely hope this news is incorrect
 
This sounds like a load of crap. MS never would've said "backward compatible" if this was the solution they came up with.
 
Chrono said:
Well for people who are interested in BC because they never had an xbox this is not a big deal. I only want a few games on the xbox and if 360 has a few ones I'm interested in I'll buy it along with the 'recompiled' xbox ones. I guess for people who already own those and just want to use their 360 to play it's a problem but really if you have an xbox just use it instead.
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Actually, i don't have an Xbox, but i have a few Xbox games (bought 'em dirt cheap). Considering all the cheap games will be the original ones, this pretty much fucks me over since i'm not paying for a recompiled version, assuming it has a higher price as the standard version. i'm not sold on the Xbox 360, but i was planning on getting one if it was backward compatible.

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LOL, what a load of crap. I guess the PS1 is backward compatible with the SNES then, since you can play Chrono Trigger, FF6, and other games on it. :lol
 
The only way this would work is if MS gives the recompiled games away for free to the people who already own said game. Otherwise they are screwed if this is what they consider "B/C".
 
Is anyone going to take a stab at doing the damage control for this? Please, someone try...I really want to see this. :lol

I'm sorry, but this is not what I would consider backwards compability. Technically isn't that just making new console ports of your old software? Jeez, talk about trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.
 
When Allard specifically said "top selling XBOX games", people have a reason to believe in the selectiveness.

What I'm surprised at is the lack of Xbox people not mentioning the problems the PS2 had with some PS1 games, which could also carry over to the PS3. ;)
 
Red Scarlet said:
When Allard specifically said "top selling XBOX games", people have a reason to believe in the selectiveness.

What I'm surprised at is the lack of Xbox people not mentioning the problems the PS2 had with some PS1 games, which could also carry over to the PS3. ;)
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First, it was Robbie Bach, not Allard who announced it. ;)

Second - the PS2 thing was ponted out in other threads, but I thought it was really a handful of games that had problems. Was it more? We're kind of in the opposite situation here.....
 
Red Scarlet said:
What I'm surprised at is the lack of Xbox people not mentioning the problems the PS2 had with some PS1 games, which could also carry over to the PS3. ;)
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Becuase only a handfull of mostly Japanese games didnt work.

Edit: Damn it, second place my entire life.
 
Red Scarlet said:
When Allard specifically said "top selling XBOX games", people have a reason to believe in the selectiveness.

What I'm surprised at is the lack of Xbox people not mentioning the problems the PS2 had with some PS1 games, which could also carry over to the PS3. ;)
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There's an interview somewhere a few pages back that explained how they plan to do the BC in Xbox. Basically they're going the ePSXe way and picking various titles based on how they were coded for Xbox (Of course they will make sure the Halos are some of those titles)...then they will create high level coding for emulation purposes to get these choice games to work and in theory allowing many more games that were compiled in similar manners to work (with some minor patching to improve the emulation).

And for the most part this should work fine for a good chunk of the games...allowing the stubborn ones to be patched later via XBL or some other means (all under the assumption the X360 will launch with incomplete BC)
 
If you could just dl the thing you needed from XBL, that'd be pretty painless compared to buying games over again..if that's possible.

But wtf am I talking about Xbox positively for.

MUST ATONE.
 
Well, if they're going for a Bleem like solution why stop at Xbox? Make it play GC, PS2, PS1, Saturn, DC, Sega CD, Turbo CD, PC-FX, NeoGeo CD, 3DO and Jag CD games too. :)
 
It's been confirmed in news articles that MS is licensing tech from Nvidia in order to get this up and running.

Any notes on what that could possibly be?
 
PhatSaqs said:
It's been confirmed in news articles that MS is licensing tech from Nvidia in order to get this up and running.
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:lol :lol

Xbox games are probably more compatible with PS3 than Xbox360!
 
GhaleonEB said:
Space and cords are a big deal to me. I have very limited shelf space for 'live' hardware, and have five sets of y-cables as it is to pump DVD, VHS and XBox into a TV with only one input for audio and video each (15-year old Mitsubishi 27", still with a great image display).

My wife would tell you I'm kinda picky about this sort of stuff, and I am. But the fact is, for whatever reason, I don't consider having more than one system set up at a time to be an option. For that reason, MS get the big "fuck you" for not getting this right.
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Makes me wonder what us gamers did before PS2.

Some of you act like that backward compatibility is a right.
 
Second - the PS2 thing was ponted out in other threads, but I thought it was really a handful of games that had problems. Was it more? We're kind of in the opposite situation here.....
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PS1 on PS2 problems mostly only existed with some of the earliest PS1 games as well as ports like the Final Fantasy Chronicles and Anthologies titles, most of which were noticable errors, but playable.

Its not like it was even close to 10% of the entire library, which is what MS should be shooting for. There's no way they can do this rerelease crap, no one is that stupid.

Makes me wonder what us gamers did before PS2.

Some of you act like that backward compatibility is a right.
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With how short the Xbox's life was I'd say its pretty damn close to a right. Sony could excuse it, they gave the PS2 ample time to run full course. MS is the one changing generations and pulling the carpet out from under 3rd parties and consumers. Why should I buy any future Xbox games if I know they can't run on the 360? Why would I want to buy a 360 at launch when MS will probably look to replace it when it starts to really show what its made of? Backwards compatability is just the reach around on the assfucking that MS is doling out with killing the Xbox early, but damn it, I want my fucking reach around.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Ah cool. Got any links? :lol Not that I'm interested in the BC element, just how they're going about it then.
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It was mentioned here.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002277371_ethree17.html

The new setup means that Microsoft can't flip a switch in the Xbox 360 and make all of the Xbox games compatible. Instead, it needs to work on each game individually, which takes time and money. The company has licensed some technology from Nvidia in order to make the backwards compatibility feasible.
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I swear I remember reading it in at least 2 others articles as well but I cant find em.
 
PhatSaqs said:
It was mentioned here.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002277371_ethree17.html



I swear I remember reading it in at least 2 others articles as well but I cant find em.
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That article hardly seems like a confirmation of a deal between the two, more like a possible explanation of what it would take.

However, since Gamesindustry doesn't source anything or say it was a direct interview, I'm leaning towards believing that they are simply going off of the engadget interview that has been picked apart already and have simply come to a pretty presumptious interpretation of what Ballmer & Bach said.

It's probably the worst case interpretation which doesn't speak well of their journalistic integrity. We'll find out soon.

One thing that can be said, is that Microsoft has brought a certain amount of this on themselves. They've been developing this for years and knew they were going with ATI & IBM vs NVidia and Intel. So, in those years time, they haven't been able to get BC working and it's unlikely it will be the kind of BC we've seen before by November. Now part of that is having working silicon, but part of it just seems to be that they're extremely rushed to get this system out the door by Christmas and have a hell of a lot of work to do in the next 6 months.
 
sonycowboy said:
That article hardly seems like a confirmation of a deal between the two, more like a possible explanation of what it would take.
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Huh??? :lol

The company has licensed some technology from Nvidia in order to make the backwards compatibility feasible.
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It doesnt say they will, need to, or will have to. It says they have.
 
Drek said:
PS1 on PS2 problems mostly only existed with some of the earliest PS1 games as well as ports like the Final Fantasy Chronicles and Anthologies titles, most of which were noticable errors, but playable.

Its not like it was even close to 10% of the entire library, which is what MS should be shooting for. There's no way they can do this rerelease crap, no one is that stupid.

With how short the Xbox's life was I'd say its pretty damn close to a right. Sony could excuse it, they gave the PS2 ample time to run full course. MS is the one changing generations and pulling the carpet out from under 3rd parties and consumers. Why should I buy any future Xbox games if I know they can't run on the 360? Why would I want to buy a 360 at launch when MS will probably look to replace it when it starts to really show what its made of? Backwards compatability is just the reach around on the assfucking that MS is doling out with killing the Xbox early, but damn it, I want my fucking reach around.
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I have to disagree. Generations before the PS2 were a clean break. I don't know why people think that they deserve backwards compatibility. We all bought the systems, I don't get the hate.


It's nice, to be sure. Is it necessary? I don't think so, but I might be in the majority.
 
sonycowboy said:
It's probably the worst case interpretation which doesn't speak well of their journalistic integrity. We'll find out soon.
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:lol :lol :lol

oh man, you're killing me sonycowboy. GamesIndustry.biz has about the same amount of "integrity" as sp0ng.
 
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