FlammableD
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I haven't watched either interview, was it worse than May's? I remember this thread and twitter saying she was getting destroyed by Neil.
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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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Huw_Dawson
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I mean, it wasn't as much of a crash as May's was, I'll give it that. But he wasn't able to answer the critical questions very well at all.
I'm hoping Farron is out there somewhere furiously practicing giving very clear straight answers to questions about his faith.
I'm hoping Farron is out there somewhere furiously practicing giving very clear straight answers to questions about his faith.
worse questions, but not as bad a lasting impression for corbyn
I don't agree -at all-. May struggled because, frankly, she is useless. I could have answered the questions Neil asked her better than she did. Neil didn't do a terrible job of interviewing her, but there is no similarity between the attitude he took into that interview and the attitude he took into this one. Neil spent most of the time cherry picking quotes to keep Corbyn on the back foot and keep him having to deny things. Twenty minutes were spent on security, just ten on everything else put together.
Corbyn certainly handled the interview alot better. He appeared calm throughout the whole interview, even with some pretty tough questions.
It's all questions that have already been done to death in the media for months and months. May's interview was all pretty new and relevant information.
He didn't answer questions that well and didn't get his manifesto in that much but in comparison to May he wasn't that bad at answering, at least he said something. The IRA stuff might not sit well with people, I don't know much about his history there, it was surprising listening to it but like I said before, he seems to be a pacifist more or less so is there some evil slant to it?
The IRA stuff is a huge issue and is continually used to beat him with.
There are plenty of people from cities in the UK who will never see him as anything more than the guy who was getting all cosy with Gerry Adams while the IRA were bombing the mainland.
It's not that far in the past that older voters don't remember it.
There are plenty of people from cities in the UK who will never see him as anything more than the guy who was getting all cosy with Gerry Adams while the IRA were bombing the mainland.
It's not that far in the past that older voters don't remember it.
He'll have to practise one sentence answers with Neil asking him shit.
Policies is what have made me to decide to vote Labour this year. The Tories austerity cuts are killing people now,not in the past.
chromatic9
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A cheap shot about Sweden from Andrew implying how can it be about foreign policy if Sweden got attacked. Corbyn didn't really answer it well either.
The IRA thing, while I'm old enough to remember, Corbyn was a youngish politician then in a totally different world. It's silly to think Corbyn wouldn't condemn the killings but the feeling back then by quite a few was also strongly to give NI back.
The IRA thing, while I'm old enough to remember, Corbyn was a youngish politician then in a totally different world. It's silly to think Corbyn wouldn't condemn the killings but the feeling back then by quite a few was also strongly to give NI back.
Dirtyshubb
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Just finished the interview, what a load of bullshit.
Theres being tough and then there is dominating the topic and ruining any chance of actually getting answers or dealing on the real issues.
I thought Andrew was tough on May but he let her get away with so much compared to Corbyn.
Theres being tough and then there is dominating the topic and ruining any chance of actually getting answers or dealing on the real issues.
I thought Andrew was tough on May but he let her get away with so much compared to Corbyn.
there's lots of cherry picking quotes but that's what you need to do to make the case on security and the ira stuff. there are a lot of elements to that argument.
all you need to make the case against may is to contrast everything she says with how she acts in reality, so less need to cherry pick
i think in both he asked a bunch of hard questions and treated both on them with disdain and both spent their time on the back foot.
the dominance of questions about security were wrong, i will agree with that
TomWaitsForNoMan
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That's the thing about the Troubles, if you were in the British military or security services then you died a martyr and a hero and everyone's supposed to have infinite sympathy for you. But if you were a catholic civilian killed by the army, or the RUC, or the UDA under tacit approval of the government no-one gives a shit and you might as well not exist. The way the Troubles are treated in England is basically IRA bad, Our Boys good. Everyone's forgotten what the British were getting up to over there and it's one-sided, ahistorical, and frankly disgusting.
EDIT: I bet if you asked journalists working today who the UDA or the UDR were they wouldn't be able to tell you
Spuck-uk
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Thanks for that. It's the IFS, I trust them as far as I can throw John Prescott though
Spuck-uk
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My Dad dropped out of the Army to avoid NI, had to keep the fact he was in the Army a secret when he lived in the republic for fear of reprisals, is over 70, , and even HE thinks the IRA stuff being brought up all the tie in the media is a load of bollocks
Dirtyshubb
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No I think Corbyn did quite well actually, but the way everything was framed meant he is bound to come out bad or at least give his enemies ammunition against him.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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The GFA was 20 years ago now. I guarantee most troops who are hot about the IRA weren't serving then, and have no idea about the history beyond what could charitably be called children's fables
Huw_Dawson
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Neil went into that interview with what he needed to squeeze Corbyn - you can see Corbyn's happy to talk about the easier topics and the Labour dream.
My hunch is that this will slightly dent the pro-Corbyn sentiment amongst the non Labour faithful.
My hunch is that this will slightly dent the pro-Corbyn sentiment amongst the non Labour faithful.
chromatic9
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Bad thing about the interview was it didn't really go with the crest of a wave he's been on since the election was called but there' wasn't anything new, just a further hammering of old points which from the polls suggests that people care less and less and are more interested in what Corbyn is saying in contrast to May. Missed opportunity.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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If Farron had been treated like that you'd be whinging and crying about how unfair it was
Huw_Dawson
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With Farron it's an interesting one as I don't know how it will go.
Farron can lose his temper somewhat - he seriously dislikes lengthy probes into his religion, for example.
But he does have this opportunity to talk about the Lib Dems as a new brand - the "New Lib Dems, now with more Europe".
Most people have no real idea who he is, he's a confident speaker... but Neil really hates the Lib Dems. But Farron could do seriously well if he can simply answer the hard questions.
Nuttall has to defend his party. The thing about Farage is that he was always just this guy cellotaped onto the UKIP brand - he was his own political party. Nuttall's a kipper, so he has a lot of points to be attacked on.
Farron can lose his temper somewhat - he seriously dislikes lengthy probes into his religion, for example.
But he does have this opportunity to talk about the Lib Dems as a new brand - the "New Lib Dems, now with more Europe".
Most people have no real idea who he is, he's a confident speaker... but Neil really hates the Lib Dems. But Farron could do seriously well if he can simply answer the hard questions.
Nuttall has to defend his party. The thing about Farage is that he was always just this guy cellotaped onto the UKIP brand - he was his own political party. Nuttall's a kipper, so he has a lot of points to be attacked on.
SurveyMonkey aren't very reliable but...
SurveyMonkey/Sun:
CON 44 (+6)
LAB 36 (+5)
LD 6 (-2)
UKIP 5 (-8)
OTH 8 (-2)
Chg vs 2015
24-25th May
N=6,000
SurveyMonkey/Sun:
CON 44 (+6)
LAB 36 (+5)
LD 6 (-2)
UKIP 5 (-8)
OTH 8 (-2)
Chg vs 2015
24-25th May
N=6,000
Huw_Dawson
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That Surveymonkey survey threw me for a loop "OH GOD IT'S ALL HORRIBLE" until I read that it says that 54% of Scots back independence.
I think it's a duff poll.
I think it's a duff poll.
Pyroclastic
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hopefully by now tim knows better than to waffle on and try and qualify them.
Kotetsu534
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Would be astonishing to see the combined Labour/Tory vote at its highest proportion since 1979, where they took 80.8% of the vote, which is what the last couple of polls are indicating, even with the SNP's dominance in Scotland. I think almost every political observer had assumed the general trend of the big two's vote share weakening still further as the years went by would continue until calls for PR were unignorable, especially with Corbyn pulling Labour to the left. But with UKIP collapsing, the Greens squeezed, and the Lib Dems struggling to make inroads there could be a surprising realignment.
chromatic9
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Farron will probably side step any religious stuff and ask for better questions. I hope so, I suspect most watching don't want to hear about Christianity either.
Huw_Dawson
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The reason why the Andrew Neil interview for Farron is significant is for two reasons:
1. Somewhere between a third and a half of people have no idea who he is. Probably a half.
2. He has been trending relatively low in the popularity polls - but until recently comfortably above Corbyn.
So in theory, if life was fair and the same sized audience watched each interview, this would be an amazing platform for Farron. He gets thirty minutes to sell himself as this third credible force.
However, it is reasonably likely that few will watch the interview - he's not going to be PM, so why bother, many will think.
However, if he's able to do what he's not been able to do so far and connect the dots between his religion and his liberalism in a properly convincing way, then he should do well.
He is, by and large, a better media performer than May and Corbyn. He's also a more grounded politician in general, as are most of the non Cleggite Lib Dems.
So it will either go very well for him, or it will turn into a long torturous foray into religious morality.
The other main point is Brexit, which has been nearly invisible on the lips of politicians for about two weeks. With public confidence in May sagging somewhat, there's much more of a clear reason to vote for a ref on the final deal. Will voters bite?
Neil has not got much non-Christian ammo to throw at Farron, so I'd wager:
First topic - relevancy of the Lib Dems
Second - Religious views
Third - Brexit
Fourth - Economic policy
Possibly a question after religion on fox hunting, as there's a Labour conspiracy that Farron is against the ban.
Neil's line on Brexit will probably be "we've already voted, why should we vote again - why not give up?"
1. Somewhere between a third and a half of people have no idea who he is. Probably a half.
2. He has been trending relatively low in the popularity polls - but until recently comfortably above Corbyn.
So in theory, if life was fair and the same sized audience watched each interview, this would be an amazing platform for Farron. He gets thirty minutes to sell himself as this third credible force.
However, it is reasonably likely that few will watch the interview - he's not going to be PM, so why bother, many will think.
However, if he's able to do what he's not been able to do so far and connect the dots between his religion and his liberalism in a properly convincing way, then he should do well.
He is, by and large, a better media performer than May and Corbyn. He's also a more grounded politician in general, as are most of the non Cleggite Lib Dems.
So it will either go very well for him, or it will turn into a long torturous foray into religious morality.
The other main point is Brexit, which has been nearly invisible on the lips of politicians for about two weeks. With public confidence in May sagging somewhat, there's much more of a clear reason to vote for a ref on the final deal. Will voters bite?
Neil has not got much non-Christian ammo to throw at Farron, so I'd wager:
First topic - relevancy of the Lib Dems
Second - Religious views
Third - Brexit
Fourth - Economic policy
Possibly a question after religion on fox hunting, as there's a Labour conspiracy that Farron is against the ban.
Neil's line on Brexit will probably be "we've already voted, why should we vote again - why not give up?"
I think it's fairly obvious that Neil has no interest in asking useful questions, and would prefer to ask the most awkward questions possible even if they've already been answered comprehensively many times over. Farron will be asked about religion, LGBT issues, abortion for at least ten minutes, mark my words.
Huw_Dawson
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Oh yes, that will feature heavily. Which is why Farron needs to be able to say "I have some religious views that are my own, but here's stuff I've done which shows I'm a liberal."
the IRA stuff seems to be hyper emotive for some people in the media but gets almost no play to the wider election coverage. I mean almost half the interview was about it the BBC are running with the Trident question. I don't know if I'd say it's a non-issue but it feels a bit inside baseball even for people who follow this.
Notice that this never once comes up for May. I'd love to see her try and reason some of her decisions against the values of her religion.
Notice that this never once comes up for May. I'd love to see her try and reason some of her decisions against the values of her religion.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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I can't wait until the election's over and mainland journalists can stop pretending they care about or know anything about Northern Ireland, it's infuriating
Jezbollah
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Yep I was going to add a line in there too to mention those killed by unionist organisations. Heartache and anger on both sides that wont be forgotten soon.
Dirtyshubb
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The trident question also pissed me off, Corbyn made his position perfectly clear.
He doesn't believe in it but it was voted for so he is respecting that vote.
Why is that controversial? I mean if that's such a problem why didn't Andrew hound May about being remain yet now being hard brexit?
He doesn't believe in it but it was voted for so he is respecting that vote.
Why is that controversial? I mean if that's such a problem why didn't Andrew hound May about being remain yet now being hard brexit?
TomWaitsForNoMan
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It's fucking galling. Members of the DUP, who were the political front for loyalist mobs that terrorised Catholic communities for decades and started the remilitarisation of the conflict by attacking non-violent civil rights demonstrations, are allowed to pontificate about Corbyn's closeness with the PIRA without any kind of challenge at all. It's sickening
EDIT: and look, for all the talk of "both sides" they aren't really equivalent. Most people killed by republican forces were military or police; most killed by the army, police, or loyalist militias were civilians. There's no justification for killing innocents, but one side did it less than the other and yet they're the ones who are villainised.
chromatic9
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Possibly, hopefully 5 minutes.
Did you watch the May interview? Dodge dodge dodge, the complete opposite of answering "comprehensively many times over", maybe read through this thread as well, not just me who thinks that. I'll give you Corbyn at one point he did answer comprehensively without giving a single line answer.
Screaming Meat
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That Neil interview is frustrating.
naweednrahman
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Watching the corbyn interview. Neil is just trying to force a question. He just shows his ignorance. What a bellend.
Screaming Meat
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I really want to hear that conversation at the end of the interview.
Right. On to the May interview.
Right. On to the May interview.
Do tell.
I wish the media would go in on the politicians views more, they are so easily destroyed but the journalists usually just let them off or repeat what they said without challenge.
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