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[Faddy]

Yeah, this is never happening and they really shouldn't have put it in their manifesto.

Mail was nationalised only a short while ago and the Taxpayer is still on the hook for a huge amount of pensions.

Energy isn't going to be nationalised, Labour with establish region energy suppliers who will compete with the current Big 6 who are fucking us over.

Rail is fine being fully nationalised. East Coast performed best when it was re-nationalised. All the train companies are doing is taking tax money to pay their executives and shareholders. Private companies like Southern are ruining trains in this country.

 

[Hot Coldman]

If it is actually costed, I would definitely vote for that. All very good, except maybe Royal Mail, which is not really worth kicking up a fuss about.

I'm voting for him anyway so at least I can feel as though there was something I agreed with.

Yeah I couldn't care too much about Royal Mail. Now, he if could somehow nationalise Yodel then now we're talking

The trains are a must though. Absolute shitshow as it stands.

 

[Acorn]

lol

This vote is almost Brexit 2.0. Scotland is about indyref2 yes or no and the rUK is about Brexit 2.0.

The general public doesn't have time for these "complicated" manifesto things.

I wonder how committal tories will be in their manifesto. Plus since this parliament has ended they can now implement more benefit cuts without breaking their promise made (no further ss cuts in the parliament)during the tax credits fiasco.

Let's see if May is even going to pretend to help the just about managing or damn them further whilst using inclusive language.

 

[PJV3]

If it is actually costed, I would definitely vote for that. All very good, except maybe Royal Mail, which is not really worth kicking up a fuss about.

I'm voting for him anyway so at least I can feel as though there was something I agreed with.

Royal Mail is one of those things I got annoyed with the EU over, we had a great, cheap and reliable system, between them and the labour government/regulator it ended up in a mess.

 

[HaloRose]

No voting system change

 

[Acorn]

No voting system change

Clegg killed that for the opportunity to be a pinata. For the foreseeable future anyway.

 

[Faddy]

If it is actually costed, I would definitely vote for that. All very good, except maybe Royal Mail, which is not really worth kicking up a fuss about.

I'm voting for him anyway so at least I can feel as though there was something I agreed with.

You say "actually costed" like any manifesto is fully costed in any reasonable world.

Has Theresa May costed cutting immigration to less than 100,000? Remember the Tories promised to eliminate the deficit by 2020 and 70% of cuts were supposed to occur between 2015 - 2020.

 

[phisheep]

I don't think the ban is illiberal, but I appreciate you conveying your thoughts.

Thank you.

I kind of think that to satisfy the definition of "liberal" you've got to be able to put up with people doing things you do not like. It is not particularly very liberal to support only the things that you do like.

That means there are a lot of things I am left feeling uncomfortable about, and this is one of them - which is what I was trying to convey.

 

[D4Danger]

He really went for it I'll give him that. Not that Labour will have a chance to implement it but it would certainly be something if they did.

 

[Ravensmash]

The train nationalisation is a tempting prospect. Current situation is an utter disgrace, and people are paying hundreds a month for a shoddy service which mostly consists of over packed trains.

My own provider routinely has to cancel trains due to a shortage of staff/available stock - yet the cost continues to rise!

What was the discrepancy with Labour's corporation tax earlier? I understand that there was some furore over small businesses having a rate raise despite promises to the contrary.

 

[War Peaceman]

Mail was nationalised only a short while ago and the Taxpayer is still on the hook for a huge amount of pensions.

Energy isn't going to be nationalised, Labour with establish region energy suppliers who will compete with the current Big 6 who are fucking us over.

Rail is fine being fully nationalised. East Coast performed best when it was re-nationalised. All the train companies are doing is taking tax money to pay their executives and shareholders. Private companies like Southern are ruining trains in this country.

The rail policy is something that appeals to a wide cross section of voters, because it makes total sense. It is the kind of big proposal that you hang a campaign around imo. It is solidly left wing, economically sound and helps alll train users.

 

[Acorn]

He really went for it I'll give him that. Not that Labour will have a chance to implement it but it would certainly be something if they did.

Problem is good policies will be sunk along with him. Ensuring the right of the party can make an argument that x policy is electoral suicide.

The rail policy is something that appeals to a wide cross section of voters, because it makes total sense. It is the kind of big proposal that you hang a campaign around imo. It is solidly left wing, economically sound and helps alll train users.

Miliband did this last time, no?

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

You say "actually costed" like any manifesto is fully costed in any reasonable world.

Has Theresa May costed cutting immigration to less than 100,000? Remember the Tories promised to eliminate the deficit by 2020 and 70% of cuts were supposed to occur between 2015 - 2020.

In full agreement, except the only way that this is happening is if people can believe that it's been planned and budgeted properly.

Problem is good policies will be sunk along with him. Ensuring the right of the party can make an argument that x policy is electoral suicide.

On the contrary, I think if any good comes of any of this the election could be remembered for a popular manifesto but a detested leader rather than an outright disaster for social democracy.

 

[phisheep]

I wonder how committal tories will be in their manifesto.

I expect the Tory manifesto to be rather light on commitments. In the light of the enormous uncertainty over Brexit I think it would be silly to do otherwise.

There. Watch me eat my words in a few days time!

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Small businesses should be exempt from the tax rises. Also there shouldn't be a pay cap just for the hell of it because companies will just go to other European countries instead. Otherwise I approve of the policies.

 

[TimmmV]

Below quotes all from that Telegraph article:

The Labour leader will only send the armed forces into combat if "all other options have been exhausted", the copy of the manifesto states.

It includes pledges to increase school and NHS funding, ensure prisons are "a last resort" and to only deploy the armed forces when "all other options have been exhausted".

But the party is facing a series of rows about its pledges on defence amid concerns from some in the arms industry that a vow in the manifesto to scrap weapons exports to Saudi Arabia will cost jobs.

The document promises to move towards "a nuclear free world" and while supporting the renewal of the missile system the draft document adds: "But any prime minister should be extremely cautious about ordering the use of weapons of mass destruction which would result in the indiscriminate killing of millions of innocent civilians.”

Its really depressing that these are all seen as radically left wing. None of them should be remotely controversial

 

[Acorn]

I expect the Tory manifesto to be rather light on commitments. In the light of the enormous uncertainty over Brexit I think it would be silly to do otherwise.

There. Watch me eat my words in a few days time!

Yeah I'm anticipating no promises made re tax & n.i.

Maybe a promise not to increase VAT?

Edit actually they'll probably keep Osbornes corporation tax plan.

 

[War Peaceman]

Problem is good policies will be sunk along with him. Ensuring the right of the party can make an argument that x policy is electoral suicide.


Miliband did this last time, no?

IIRC he did. I have a long post history of praising Ed Miliband FYI.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

Small businesses should be exempt from the tax rises. Also there shouldn't be a pay cap just for the hell of it because companies will just go to other European countries instead. Otherwise I approve of the policies.

The pay cap is for companies who have big government contracts.

IIRC he did. I have a long post history of praising Ed Miliband FYI.

These are all Ed era policies. Most of them never made it forward but Compass did some good work in policy development.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Tory manifesto will be 3 pages long, light on details. I'm calling it now.

 

[Xun]

A pretty decent piece of satire summing up the situation:

http://newsthump.com/2017/05/10/mos...-jeremy-corbyn-just-not-credible-as-a-leader/

 

[Acorn]

IIRC he did. I have a long post history of praising Ed Miliband FYI.

I'm an Ed fan too. He can make good policies, just shit at selling them. David is the opposite way.

 

[Faddy]

The pay cap is for companies who have big government contracts.



These are all Ed era policies. Most of them never made it forward but Compass did some good work in policy development.

Anything that fucks over ATOS, Serco and G4S executives can only be a good thing.

These are Ed Milliband policies because Corbyn is cut from the same cloth. Only difference is Corbyn is much more explicitly Anti-War.

Do you want another interventionist-mesiah complex PM like Tony Blair?

 

[jelly]

Below quotes all from that Telegraph article:









Its really depressing that these are all seen as radically left wing. None of them should be remotely controversial

Yeah, it's bizarre when you actually think about it. A guy who doesn't want to kill millions and destroy the world, use military forces as a last resort which many leaders say. What a lunatic.

 

[Ravensmash]

Tory manifesto will be 3 pages long, light on details. I'm calling it now.

"Whilst Labour felt the need to confuse the electorate with waffle and unenforceable policies, the Conservatives are straight to point in providing a strong and stable vision for a 21st Century Britain"

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Renationalising the railways might have public support, but it seems Labour didn't learn anything after last time. Give it a day or so and all the right wing rags will be screaming socialist, etc about that manifesto pledge.

With how much the power of the right wing press has grown in the last year, the potential for it backfiring is pretty high.

 

[Acorn]

I still don't know how the stability message is working with the public. We are going to be running through the most unstable period in our history since 1945 regardless of who is in charge.

Even brexiteers know this if they actually think about it.

Renationalising the railways might have public support, but it seems Labour didn't learn anything after last time. Give it a day or so and all the right wing rags will be screaming socialist, etc about that manifesto pledge.

With how much the power of the right wing press has grown in the last year, the potential for it backfiring is pretty high.

Then in a year tories nick it and it's genius.

 

[jelly]

Tory manifesto will be 3 pages long, light on details. I'm calling it now.

Stable hands, stable trains, stable thoughts, balanced strategy, red white and blue stuff. United against the many, cough...together. Brexit will be hard so we will be hard and crush saboteurs, it could be you! /points with stable hand. Get on with it and pick my Wimbledon strawberries you work trial scum.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I still don't know how the stability message is working with the public. We are going to be running through the most unstable period in our history since 1945 regardless of who is in charge.

Even brexiteers know this if they actually think about it.

Something very few of them do..

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Then in a year tories nick it and it's genius.

The most infuriating part is people who will hate it from Labour won't stop bleating on about how good a proposal it is when the Tories do it. I'm seeing it already with the energy cap.

Cunts.

 

[D4Danger]

Tory manifesto will be 3 pages long, light on details. I'm calling it now.

90pt font. double spaced.

 

[Jackpot]

But the party is facing a series of rows about its pledges on defence amid concerns from some in the arms industry that a vow in the manifesto to scrap weapons exports to Saudi Arabia will cost jobs.

oh teh noes!

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Telegraph already essentially calling him a communist. Attack mode is on.

 

[War Peaceman]

Renationalising the railways might have public support, but it seems Labour didn't learn anything after last time. Give it a day or so and all the right wing rags will be screaming socialist, etc about that manifesto pledge.

With how much the power of the right wing press has grown in the last year, the potential for it backfiring is pretty high.

Whatever Corbyn does they will do that, might as well actually speak about the policies you want to do. At least many of them are actually sensible and well intentioned.*

I mean, we know Corbyn is left wing. It is built into the opinions people have of him.


*based on non final, sporadically leaked info

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

If Corbyn was competent Labour might be doing better right now. Might as well hold my nose and vote for them to limit the damage. Tactical voting.

 

[Acorn]

Telegraph already essentially calling him a communist. Attack mode is on.

To the telegraph anyone to the left of John Redwood is a dirty commie tbf.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

Anything that fucks over ATOS, Serco and G4S executives can only be a good thing.

These are Ed Milliband policies because Corbyn is cut from the same cloth. Only difference is Corbyn is much more explicitly Anti-War.

Do you want another interventionist-mesiah complex PM like Tony Blair?

Well actually I'd rather have Ed Miliband than all of them.

The bolded is extremely generous to Corbyn, considering that Miliband is a harvard lecturing policy wonk and Corbyn is an idiot.

 

[Moosichu]

Telegraph already essentially calling him a communist. Attack mode is on.

So back before the EU existed! Popular amongst Brexiters then.

 

[D4Danger]

more like Jeremy Comrade amirite!

stupid hippy doesn't want to nuke people or sell weapons to Saudi Arabia.

 

[satriales]

Great policies there. It's going to be all the more frustrating when people keep the Tories in for another 5yrs just because they don't like Corbyn for whatever reason.

 

[Acorn]

Great policies there. It's going to be all the more frustrating when people keep the Tories in for another 5yrs just because they don't like Corbyn for whatever reason.

The worst thing will be the ammo the loss gives the right of labour to avoid these policies like the plague.

 

[jelly]

The most infuriating part is people who will hate it from Labour won't stop bleating on about how good a proposal it is when the Tories do it. I'm seeing it already with the energy cap.

Cunts.

I was surprised a BBC News report called the Tories out on that. It was actually good reporting with footage of Ed talking about it and a comparison of the newspapers reporting it when it was Labour and now Tory.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

My mum immigrated here in the late 70's from Asia. She voted leave for some reason. Despite being around in the sick man of Europe era.

I don't know why not selling weapons to brutal regressive theocracies like Saudi Arabia is a controversial thing.

 

[jelly]

Are the Tories taking us back to the 80s, weren't they really shit.

 

[D4Danger]

The Mail called it a suicide note looool

 

[Acorn]

My mum immigrated here in the late 70's from Asia. She voted leave for some reason. Despite being around in the sick man of Europe era.

I don't know why not selling weapons to brutal regressive theocracies like Saudi Arabia is a controversial thing.

Iirc quite a number of immigrants from that era voted the same way. I'm sure I read something to that effect.

 

[jelly]

My mum immigrated here in the late 70's from Asia. She voted leave for some reason. Despite being around in the sick man of Europe era.

I don't know why not selling weapons to brutal regressive theocracies like Saudi Arabia is a controversial thing.

They media moguls probably wine and dine with Princes and go to each other's Yacht parties.

 

[FlammableD]

oh fuck off

 

[PJV3]

Telegraph already essentially calling him a communist. Attack mode is on.

That picture is hilarious, they could have put some skulls on it, he's not very menacing.

 

[Wrestlemania]

So back before the EU existed! Popular amongst Brexiters then.

He just wants to bring back the bad bits from the 70s, like nationalised rail and free university, not the good stuff like racism.