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[Acorn]

The Mail called it a suicide note looool

Predictable.

Michael Footified

 

[Faddy]

Well actually I'd rather have Ed Miliband than all of them.

The bolded is extremely generous to Corbyn, considering that Miliband is a harvard lecturing policy wonk and Corbyn is an idiot.

Policy wonk is the lamest term going. Paul Ryan calls himself that and he is a fucking moron.

There are literally inexhaustible supplies of Civil Servants who specialise in writing and implementing policy. It isn't actually that hard. Believing Ed Milliband is smarter than Jeremy Corbyn doesn't make a difference when it comes to headline issues like tax rates and re-nationalising trains.

 

[Empty]

can't wait to vote for the labour manifesto

 

[phisheep]

The most infuriating part is people who will hate it from Labour won't stop bleating on about how good a proposal it is when the Tories do it. I'm seeing it already with the energy cap.

Cunts.

The even more infuriating part is that when it comes up for a vote Labour will (a) claim (justly) that it is a stolen policy and then (b) vote against it.

No political sense at all.

(er, I do hope you guys realise I'm being lighthearted here, if a bit heavyhanded)

 

[Bony Manifesto]

Telegraph already essentially calling him a communist. Attack mode is on.

It's actually really interesting that the Tories have told The Telegraph to all-out attack Labour on this. Usually, they try to maintain the veneer of being impartial when it comes to their reportage.

 

[Acorn]

The even more infuriating part is that when it comes up for a vote Labour will (a) claim (justly) that it is a stolen policy and then (b) vote against it.

No political sense at all.

(er, I do hope you guys realise I'm being lighthearted here, if a bit heavyhanded)

Depends who is in power.

During the coalition labour got a bit too chummy with some tory policies for my liking.

 

[phisheep]

Depends who is in power.

That's a question at this stage?

 

[Huw_Dawson]

This is pretty damaging for Labour, but ironically having their policies discussed for a week before their rivals may work out for them!

Is the doc out in the wilds? I want to see how they're costing nationalising energy, for example.

Don't want to stick the boot into Labour too much over this as a nasty leak can hurt any party.

Labour committing to not leaving Europe until it has a deal is still not great policy. Europe wants us to stay! They would feed Corbyn bad deals until the British public changed their minds.

 

[Acorn]

Sky news already banging longest suicide note in history too...

 

[Acorn]

That's a question at this stage?

I meant of labour haha

 

[Daffy Duck]

I like those ideas in fairness and not surprised to see the media attacking him already, it's what they do lol.

There's absolutely nothing new there.

 

[boxoctosis]

I like the way going back to the 1970s is a bad thing, compared to the unequal low quality shitfest that is the UK in 2017.

 

[Faddy]

This is pretty damaging for Labour, but ironically having their policies discussed for a week before their rivals may work out for them!

Is the doc out in the wilds? I want to see how they're costing nationalising energy, for example.

Don't want to stick the boot into Labour too much over this as a nasty leak can hurt any party.

Labour committing to not leaving Europe until it has a deal is still not great policy. Europe wants us to stay! They would feed Corbyn bad deals until the British public changed their minds.

At least it is more coherent than the Tory policy on leaving the EU.

e.g
Today Ruth Davidson said that once we leave the EU we would be out of the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) and this would be a boon for fishermen. EXCEPT the whole North Atlantic isn't decided by the CFP, instead their is a multilateral agreement across Non-EU countries like Iceland, Norway and Faroes that still define catch quotas and is CFP in all but name. So unless we want to start Cod War 3 (and lose again) the same fishing quotas will remain in place or our fishermen won't be able to sell into the EU.

Also Labour are not planning to nationalise energy.

 

[Audioboxer]

Damn, those papers. What a load of bollocks.

How do you study for a journalism degree and then come out the other side writing such nonsense? What is wrong with people?

 

[Acorn]

I like the way going back to the 1970s is a bad thing, compared to the unequal low quality shitfest that is the UK in 2017.

Bootstraps, just like baby boomers did with free education, EMA, council house sell offs, continually rising house prices, final salary pensions etc etc.

Nobody helped them!

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

I like the way going back to the 1970s is a bad thing, compared to the unequal low quality shitfest that is the UK in 2017.

Country was solidly fucked in the 70's. The 70's and mid 80's were some of the darkest times going.

 

[Pyroclastic]

It's actually really interesting that the Tories have told The Telegraph to all-out attack Labour on this. Usually, they try to maintain the veneer of being impartial when it comes to their reportage.

has that not been the case for a while? the reporting in private eye of how badly it's been gutted over the last 5 years is quite sad even if I don't agree with their views. they've fallen prey to clickbait culture like pretty much all of our newspapers, sadly.

 

[Acorn]

has that not been the case for a while? the reporting in private eye of how badly it's been gutted over the last 5 years is quite sad even if I don't agree with their views. they've fallen prey to clickbait culture like pretty much all of our newspapers, sadly.

The Times is still okay ish. I mean, I disagree with the majority of it but it isn't on the level of trash like the sun and mail.

 

[phisheep]

Country was solidly fucked in the 70's. The 70's and mid 80's were some of the darkest times going.

Not entirely. Summer of 1976 was fucking hot.

EDIT: Source: I was working at the ovens in a biscuit factory all the way through it.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Not entirely. Summer of 1976 was fucking hot.

EDIT: Source: I was working at the ovens in a biscuit factory all the way through it.

Not Jacobs in Leicester?

 

[phisheep]

Not Jacobs in Leicester?

Nope, Burtons in Cwmbran. But I guess it was equally as hot in Leicester.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Nope, Burtons in Cwmbran. But I guess it was equally as hot in Leicester.

Ahh, possibly, but before my time

I used to live near the one in South Wigston and was going to say small world.

 

[Acorn]

Nope, Burtons in Cwmbran. But I guess it was equally as hot in Leicester.

Are you Welsh?

 

[Audioboxer]

Everyone in this thread could do with some good biscuits, and a cup of tea, to calm the nerves and mend any divides ☕

At least for a night. Tomorrow everyone can get back on it.

 

[phisheep]

Are you Welsh?

Have you seen my avatar recently?

Everyone in this thread could do with some good biscuits, and a cup of tea, to calm the nerves and mend any divides ☕

At least for a night.

I recommend the butter shortbreads. Nicest-smelling biscuit there is.

After that, custard creams.

Don't ask me to tell you about fig rolls.

 

[Uzzy]

Telegraph already essentially calling him a communist. Attack mode is on.

With Corbyn, we can finally seize the memes of production, comrades.

 

[Acorn]

Have you seen my avatar recently?

D'oh, I'm on mobile 99% of the time so easy to miss!

 

[phisheep]

I used to live near the one in South Wigston and was going to say small world.

Small world. My brother lives in Leicester.

Ha! Beat you to it.

 

[TimmmV]

How do you study for a journalism degree and then come out the other side writing such nonsense? What is wrong with people?

Real journalists earn their keep as chancellor of the exchequer

 

[Huw_Dawson]

I wonder if this will help Labour? Doing big nationalisation gestures is certainly a way to try and get attention. And they claim their policies are far more popular than Corbyn is.

 

[excowboy]

Real journalists earn their keep as chancellor of the exchequer

Nice!

It's a weird counterpoint to the Labour manifesto (which sounds broadly ace to me) that May has today pledged to increase defence spending above inflation for the length of the parliament. Why do that? Is she actually anticipating war with Spain?! Just plays to the Conservative base I guess, but what a shitty policy.The Guardian - Theresa May pledges above inflation rise in defence spending until 2022

 

[Acorn]

I wonder if this will help Labour? Doing big nationalisation gestures is certainly a way to try and get attention. And they claim their policies are far more popular than Corbyn is.

No.

Milibands policies were popular he wasn't.

Corbyn is hated not just disliked. He could be offering everyone a unicorn and it wouldn't matter.

 

[phisheep]

I wonder if this will help Labour? Doing big nationalisation gestures is certainly a way to try and get attention. And they claim their policies are far more popular than Corbyn is.

I don't think there is anything that's particularly new there to attract attention. It is recognisable Labour policy mostly. What I find around here is that nobody is concerned at all about Labour's policies, since they have no chance of being implemented. What they are concerned about is how well, and whether, Labour will perform in opposition. The policies are all pie-in-the-sky fluff; organisation and personality and staying power matter, Corbyn loses on all three.

Also, rent controls don't work. Nearly everybody knows that but nobody is even bothering to mention it because it is not going to happen.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I got it. You posted disingenuous nonsense and then refuted it yourself. Why? That's not clever it's just annoying.

Of course if you remove people from the equation it becomes something different entirely. But the government isn't there to legislate hate crimes in the animal kingdom, its there to regulate human behaviour.

I remember you posting a few days ago why people hate Tories so much, and tbh you could use this post as a pretty good example. Needless cruelty for the sake of it, combined with a total inability to even comprehend how someone could be bothered by it

Right, where as you guys are all about really tackling people's posts, evidently. You can't tell me what to do, dad.

If you say so but you did invoke some of the usual deflections used to try and suggest people need to leave fox hunting alone/back off/focus on something else.

Some of it is perception, in that there is dislike for the elite and history behind it as a blood sport. The view that training dogs in a nation of pet lovers simply to be killers and used as a function of a sport, where they don't really get a say and routinely get forced or abused to kill (starved/beaten) is cruel. Also the perception that wildlife minding its own business in its own homes in the wild deserve to be left alone as much as we can. That is often the mutual respect humans try to have for wildlife. If it isn't bothering us, don't bother it. If it isn't ravaging our crops or livestock, don't just kill it for the lolz.

Then moving on from perceptions, people don't like the ethics behind practising something that has very little benefit or outcome other than cheering blood, suffering and death. As mentioned above the animals are often in their own habitat, not intruding on human structures, and have dogs sent down their burrows/homes to savage them and their young. Or parents/young chased for miles causing unnecessary stress before death. Then the deaths themselves often come about from essentially being eaten alive or torn apart. Does anyone eat their cows and pigs alive? No I don't think so. As above nor do we play and torture our livestock, or at least it would open ethical outrage and potentially legal action if and when it's found out livestock is abused.

I genuinely think you misunderstood about half of my points. Beyond that, the reason I wrote two posts is because it's an issue I turn back and forth quite often because I think both sides are seemingly reasonable yet both sides also have problems. The two posts were meant to illustrate that (and, as I said, I think I did a much better job of torpedoing my own first post than any of you guys did). The Syria thing wasn't "hey, but what about Syria" at all, it was an illustration of why I'm amazed so many people care so much about fox hunting - a combination of its negligible effect in the grand scheme of things and my come-and-go view on the issue itself means I can't imagine my vote ever even coming close to changing because of it. Yet this thread is a great example of the degree to which it energises so many. This *election* is a great example of it, and I'm aiming that just as much at May rousing the Tory back benches as I am at Blair tossing a nice, juicy fox bone to his. Yet when was the last time you heard a party campaign include a solid foreign policy issue as a reason to vote for them? The Good Friday agreement maybe? My point wasn't "who cares when kids are being gassed in Syria", it was "I can't believe so many care about it more than kids getting gassed in Syria", and at any rate it was a single line in post with at least two lines in it.

Edit: if you haven't had enough fox hunting yet, I'm happy to go through your post and actually point out where I think you've misunderstood my points.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

I am not sure if many people are going to be big fans of the vastly increased powers of trade unions, either.

 

[Audioboxer]

Have you seen my avatar recently?



I recommend the butter shortbreads. Nicest-smelling biscuit there is.

After that, custard creams.

Don't ask me to tell you about fig rolls.

I like fig rolls! I'm a fan of both custard creams and bourbons. I just like biscuits and tea.

Right, where as you guys are all about really tackling people's posts, evidently. You can't tell me what to do, dad.




I genuinely think you misunderstood about half of my points. Beyond that, the reason I wrote two posts is because it's an issue I turn back and forth quite often because I think both sides are seemingly reasonable yet both sides also have problems. The two posts were meant to illustrate that (and, as I said, I think I did a much better job of torpedoing my own first post than any of you guys did). The Syria thing wasn't "hey, but what about Syria" at all, it was an illustration of why I'm amazed so many people care so much about fox hunting - a combination of its negligible effect in the grand scheme of things and my come-and-go view on the issue itself means I can't imagine my vote ever even coming close to changing because of it. Yet this thread is a great example of the degree to which it energises so many. This *election* is a great example of it, and I'm aiming that just as much at May rousing the Tory back benches as I am at Blair tossing a nice, juicy fox bone to his. Yet when was the last time you heard a party campaign include a solid foreign policy issue as a reason to vote for them? The Good Friday agreement maybe? My point wasn't "who cares when kids are being gassed in Syria", it was "I can't believe so many care about it more than kids getting gassed in Syria", and at any rate it was a single line in post with at least two lines in it.

Edit: if you haven't had enough fox hunting yet, I'm happy to go through your post and actually point out where I think you've misunderstood my points.

To be fair Cyclops people are talking about it again because it's been brought up again. It's not as if it was just a random wave of debate about it from nowhere.

Our minds are mostly capable of discussing multiple things. This is just one thing and as I said its come to the forefront again due to May's comments and it being in the media for the "24 hour news cycle". That's why it's a bit disingenuous to just drop other random shit, which most will say *is* more serious into the mix as a sort of whatsaboutism.

Now we're talking about biscuits, so yeah, grab a seat and join in.

 

[Acorn]

I'm not just saying this because I support Indy but Angus Robertson essentially fills the role Corbyn should be in at PMQs. His seat is vulnerable, if we lose him and God knows how many labour mps we could be in a position of permanent weak opposition for another parliament.

 

[phisheep]

I am not sure if many people are going to be big fans of the vastly increased powers of trade unions, either.

Haven't seen the leak. What are these powers?

 

[CyclopsRock]

Not being funny guys but renationalising a bunch of shit that were nationalised industries in the 70s kinda is taking us back to the 70s. If that's what he wants to do, he should own it.

 

[Par Score]

Labour's manifesto looks fantastic. Renationalisation is incredibly popular (~70% in favour) and it should have been on the table a long time ago.

Of course the right wing shitrags that pass for out written press hate it.

 

[Acorn]

Not being funny guys but renationalising a bunch of shit that were nationalised industries in the 70s kinda is taking us back to the 70s. If that's what he wants to do, he should own it.

Thatcher came in 79 so most got sold off in the 80s, no? If so you could equally say take you back to the tories glorious 80s or 50s. Also rail was sold off by major in 92/93(?) after putting it in a manifesto he didn't expect to win from.

 

[phisheep]

I like fig rolls! I'm a fan of both custard creams and bourbons. I just like biscuits and tea.

Ah, fig rolls. Let me tell you a story.

You know stripy toothpaste? Ever wondered how the stripes were made? Well, the red stuff gets put on the outside and the white stuff on the inside and they get squirted out together. that's how fig rolls are made. You have two hoppers. The left hopper contains the dough, which is very light and fluffy and pale yellow, and the right hopper contains the fig jam which is dark and sticky and heavy and has to be scraped out of a half-ton container with a two-handed wooden spatula.

So, one day I was digging the dough out and scraping the jam out to put in the hoppers and I got confused. I put the jam in the left hopper and the dough in the right hopper and made an entire batch of fig rolls inside-out. With the dough on the inside and the sticky fig stuff on the outside.

Which would not matter so much except for the metal web that ran through the oven. Because the fig jam stuck to it and instead of coming out the other end the entire continuous eight strands of inside-out sticky fig rolls looped back through the oven and came out, somewhat singed, at my end joining the new stuff I had just made.

It was at the stage I realised something had probably gone wrong and that it was probably my fault. We had to stop the entire line, dismantle the whole machine and oven and scrape it all off before restarting it, which took about a whole day.

I wasn't very good at fig rolls.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

I don't think there is anything that's particularly new there to attract attention. It is recognisable Labour policy mostly. What I find around here is that nobody is concerned at all about Labour's policies, since they have no chance of being implemented. What they are concerned about is how well, and whether, Labour will perform in opposition. The policies are all pie-in-the-sky fluff; organisation and personality and staying power matter, Corbyn loses on all three.

Also, rent controls don't work. Nearly everybody knows that but nobody is even bothering to mention it because it is not going to happen.

Rent controls messed up Sweden's housing market. Housing is expensive and apparently there's a 20 year wait. Considered relocating there in a few years but nope. Not when it's like that.

 

[phisheep]

Rent controls messed up Sweden's housing market. Housing is expensive and apparently there's a 20 year wait. Considered relocating there in a few years but nope. Not when it's like that.

yeah, like this ...

The Swedish economist Assar Lindbeck, a housing expert, says that "rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city – except for bombing"

Disclaimer because politics thread: it's a pithy quote, I haven't read the source and I don't understand the doubtless involved economics. But it sounds basically right?

 

[Audioboxer]

Ah, fig rolls. Let me tell you a story.

You know stripy toothpaste? Ever wondered how the stripes were made? Well, the red stuff gets put on the outside and the white stuff on the inside and they get squirted out together. that's how fig rolls are made. You have two hoppers. The left hopper contains the dough, which is very light and fluffy and pale yellow, and the right hopper contains the fig jam which is dark and sticky and heavy and has to be scraped out of a half-ton container with a two-handed wooden spatula.

So, one day I was digging the dough out and scraping the jam out to put in the hoppers and I got confused. I put the jam in the left hopper and the dough in the right hopper and made an entire batch of fig rolls inside-out. With the dough on the inside and the sticky fig stuff on the outside.

Which would not matter so much except for the metal web that ran through the oven. Because the fig jam stuck to it and instead of coming out the other end the entire continuous eight strands of inside-out sticky fig rolls looped back through the oven and came out, somewhat singed, at my end joining the new stuff I had just made.

It was at the stage I realised something had probably gone wrong and that it was probably my fault. We had to stop the entire line, dismantle the whole machine and oven and scrape it all off before restarting it, which took about a whole day.

I wasn't very good at fig rolls.

If you didn't have a tag this would be tag worthy LOL.

 

[King_Moc]

I've always been a big fan of the chocolate digestive. Dark or milk, I'm not bothered. None of that caramel nonsense though.

Rent controls messed up Sweden's housing market. Housing is expensive and apparently there's a 20 year wait. Considered relocating there in a few years but nope. Not when it's like that.

I'm curious as to how this works. I can't think of what the problem would be off the top of my head.

 

[Acorn]

I've always been a big fan of the chocolate digestive. Dark or milk, I'm not bothered. None of that caramel nonsense though.



I'm curious as to how this works. I can't think of what the problem would be off the top of my head.

Hobnob or Jammie Dodger man myself.

Oh and tunnocks tea cakes because it's the law scots must love them.

 

[travisbickle]

I don't know why people observe other countries for how the U.K. should be organized?

No matter what, the UK will fuck it up in a terribly British way.

Japan has a really good privatized rail network, Korea has a really good public rail network. Britain uses taxpayers money to reimburse passengers affected by delayed/cancelled privately-owned train operators. The worst of both worlds. Whatever we choose, we fuck it up.

 

[phisheep]

Hobnob or Jammie Dodger man myself.

Oh and tunnocks tea cakes because it's the law scots must love them.

I have a Jammie Dodger story, but that will have to wait until tomorrow's biscuit break.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

I've always been a big fan of the chocolate digestive. Dark or milk, I'm not bothered. None of that caramel nonsense though.



I'm curious as to how this works. I can't think of what the problem would be off the top of my head.

AFAIK the 20 year thing is just for finding housing via the local housing association or renting via sites like this: http://www.bostaddirekt.com/Private/default.aspx?custType=0

I think it's because house building is decreased when rent is below market rates. There's also too much regulations on where you can build and private housing companies don't want to build a lot of new homes because it's too expensive and not worth it.