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[Ripclawe]

The commentators are pissed at the Asian men description.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2237940.ece

Grooming of white girls for sex is exposed as two Asian men jailed
Lucy Bannerman and Richard Ford

A hidden world in which Asian men “groom” young white girls for sex has been exposed with the jailing yesterday of two men for child-abuse offences.

Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, were each jailed for five years and eight months after exploiting two girls aged under 16 by plying them with alcohol and drugs before having sex with them.

Both men pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to abduction, sexual activity with a child and the supply of a controlled drug.

Despite being told explicitly by police and social services that both girls were under-age and should be returned to care, the men picked up one girl from a children’s home in Blackburn and then drove on to collect her friend who was living in temporary foster care in North Wales.

Naveed, from Burnley, gave one girl the first of five Ecstasy tablets at a motorway service station before having sex with her on the back seat of the car while the group drove back to Lancashire. The court was told that the two men later took the girls to an address in Blackburn where Hussain, from Blackburn, had sex with the second girl and gave her a total of ten Ecstasy tablets.

Yesterday Judge Andrew Gilbart, QC, jailed the two Asian men under new sex laws designed to protect youngsters from being groomed for sexual activity. Judge Gilbart said: “This is a truly shocking offence. You knew them. They were exploited for sex by the two of you. No other description is possible. They were under-age girls who you knew it was your responsibility to protect and not exploit.”

The trial came amid growing concern at the attitudes of some Asian men towards white girls which campaigners for women claim few people wish to address.

Parents have complained that in parts of the country with large Asian communities white girls as young as 12 are being targeted for sex by older Asian men yet the authorities are unwilling to act because of fears of being labelled racist.

Ann Cryer, a Labour member of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, has been at the forefront of attempting to tackle the problem after receiving complaints from mothers in her constituency about young Asian men targeting their under-age daughters.

Although campaigners claim that hundreds of young girls are already being passed around men within the Asian community for sex, she said that attempts to raise the problem with community leaders had met with little success, with most of them being in a state of denial about it.

After the case, the mother of one of the girls, who cannot be named for legal reasons, welcomed the jail terms. “This will hopefully act as a warning to others,” the woman said. She had had to leave the court as details of the men’s sexual relations with the teenagers were read out. After the trial, Ms Cryer said that young Asian men were caught between two cultures having been brought up in a Western society in families while retaining the cultural values of the Asian sub-continent.

She said: “The family and cultural norms of their community means they are expected to marry a first cousin or other relative back in a village in Mirapur or wherever the family comes from. Therefore, until that marriage is arranged they look out for sex.

“At the point in their lives when they are ready for this sort of activity, Asians cannot go to Asian girls because it would be a terrible breach of the honour of the community and their family to have sex with an Asian girl before marriage.” She said that the reason Asian men targeted very young white girls was because older white girls knew that a relationship with an Asian youth was unlikely to last as the community would seek an arranged marriage with someone from the Asian sub- continent. Police and groups campaigning to protect women insisted that the grooming of youngsters is not segregated along race lines, though there is concern at the attitudes of some young Asian men towards white girls.

Parents claim that criminal networks are able to prey on young girls because the authorities are reluctant to tackle the issue for fear of upsetting race relations in areas of the North West with large ethnic minority communities.

However, Ms Cryer added: “I think there is a problem with the view Asian men generally have about white women. Their view about white women is generally fairly low. They do not seem to understand that there are white girls as moral and as good as Asian girls.”

 

[rakka]

Asians?

 

[Tamanon]

Technically the Middle East is in Asia. And that's what their names sound like.

Still it seems to be a bit o' fear-mongering.

 

[ToxicAdam]

You know, if these guys were white and 19 and 20 ... it would just be called "Friday Night anywhere in America".

 

[Ripclawe]

Asians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian

In British English, the word "Asian" usually refers to those of South Asian origin, particularly Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis, and also the less numerous Sri Lankans, Nepalis, and Maldivians.[1] Additionally, British who marked the "Other Asian" category on the UK census were of Afghan, Iranian, Iraqi, Turkish and Yemeni ancestries.[2]

It may also refer to people from other parts of Asia,[3] but those of East Asian (such as Chinese or Japanese) or Southeast Asian origin are usually not included in the term; they may instead be called "Oriental", which is a term no longer used in American English (in which the term Asian refers to all peoples from the continent of Asia). This is reflected in the "ethnic group" section of UK census forms and other government paperwork, which treat "Asian" and "Chinese" as separate. Most Central Asians are generally not included in the British categorisation of 'Asian' either.

The terms "Asian" or "British Asian" are contested. According to Rashmee Roshan Lall, Britain's Hindu community considers the term somewhat vague given the religious and national origin difference between Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. Britain's Hindu community is debating whether to adopt a specific label based on nationality (e.g. "British Indian") or religion (e.g. "British Hindu").

Some British Indians do not feel they want to be in the same ethnic group as British Pakistanis.[4] Others see a certain degree of unity in the South Asian diaspora; the term desi is also sometimes used to name a South Asian person, pointing to a common identity, but is more often a word used within the Asian community.

 

[Fusebox]

Yeah in the UK if you're going out for 'Asian food' they usually mean Indian, but here it usually means Chinese, Japanese etc, and those surnames sure don't sound oriental.

Not sure if they should have either left ethnicity out of it (but then that story wouldn't have much context) or be more specific (but then risk backlash against the community).

 

[Tamanon]

Wait, where is there any "grooming" of the girls and a hidden network? Everything in the article just sounds like 2 dudes that picked up underage girls and gave them ex.

 

[rakka]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian

Thanks for that.

"Asian" here nearly always means Chinese, japanese, korean, etc.

 

[oldboy1]

Wait, where is there any "grooming" of the girls and a hidden network? Everything in the article just sounds like 2 dudes that picked up underage girls and gave them ex.

It's the Times Newspaper, they would have you believe that all paedophiles are Asian & that any white folks that are caught & arrested have been set up to take the fall by the heinous Asian community.

 

[Ripclawe]

Wait, where is there any "grooming" of the girls and a hidden network? Everything in the article just sounds like 2 dudes that picked up underage girls and gave them ex.

the related links at the site adds some background

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2237943.ece

It is a point picked up by Abdul Hamid Qureshi, chairman of the Lancashire Council of Mosques.

“We in the Muslim community are failing in the sense that there are young people in society with little or no moral values. After the age of 12, nobody is engaging with them. We have to transform ourselves.

“It is not just white girls being exploited. Asian girls are involved too, but their numbers are less. There is less access to them, and the criminals are more likely to be deterred by their fathers and brothers, who they know will come after them.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2237941.ece

Mother tells how her daughter, 14, was lured into abusers’ clutches

 

[oldboy1]

Just in case anyone doesn't know this, The Times is part of the News Corp family.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Thanks for that.

"Asian" here nearly always means Chinese, japanese, korean, etc.

Yeah, we use middle-eastern for British Asian.

 

[Yixian]

Yeah, we use middle-eastern for British Asian.

British Asian doesn't usually refer to Middle Easterners, they are just Arabs. British Asian is more specifically Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, usually.

They are very distinct ethnic groups, and also, though there are a fair number of middle easterners in the UK, it's nothing like the number of subcontinentals. Modern British culture is enormously influenced by subcontinental immigration throughout the mid 21st Century.

The most popular food in the UK isn't fish and chips, it's chicken tika, and chicken tika isn't entirely Indian/Bangladeshi, it was created by British Asians in Birmingham.

There's been an influx of Hindi etc. into British slang too. Can't say that for arabic at all - that's France.

So yeah I wouldn't include middle easterners in "British Asians" at all.

 

[Manmademan]

In before the pedobears??? Gaf must be slipping.

anyway- old horny foreigners getting young stupid women drunk and banging them is hardly news.

 

[Phoenix]

You know, if these guys were white and 19 and 20 ... it would just be called "Friday Night anywhere in America".

Exactly. The whole idea of "grooming" them for sex sounds like they were getting them ready for prostitution.

 

[iapetus]

Yeah in the UK if you're going out for 'Asian food' they usually mean Indian, but here it usually means Chinese, Japanese etc, and those surnames sure don't sound oriental.

Not really. You just wouldn't say you were going out for 'Asian food' in the UK. You'd be specific. If I heard someone say they were going out for 'Asian food' I'd be thinking Chinese or Thai.

 

[Seth C]

You know, if these guys were white and 19 and 20 ... it would just be called "Friday Night anywhere in America".

Actually, if this was in America these dudes would be in prison for 25-30 years and on a sex offender list for life.

 

[Ketchup Boy]

Probably South East Asians they're referring to. Anyways, they should just be told to spit their game and if they fu*k up, try again.

 

[Bowen_B]

Just in case anyone doesn't know this, The Times is part of the News Corp family.

Just in case anyone doesn't know this, The Times is one of the oldest and most well respected newspapers in the world.

 

[nelsonroyale]

wackness by those fools...but pretty sure the other way round...white guys exploiting asian girls is probably more common...the title made it seem like a widespread problem, but its a case of two guys and two girls...does it really need to highlight the race so much... Anyway, the idiots will suffer the consequences

 

["God's Beard!"]

They should sue for racism.

 

[Tarazet]

Probably South East Asians they're referring to. Anyways, they should just be told to spit their game and if they fu*k up, try again.

Yeah, I work with someone with a very Arabic name, but he's from Fiji.

 

[justjohn]

i'm pretty sure there are lots of whitemen grooming young white girls for sex and prostitution. its not an asian thing just vile men

 

[GSG Flash]

The title and the first sentence makes it seem as if they were running a prostitution ring while the rest of the article makes it seem as if they just drugged the girls up and had sex with them. Either way both these men are scum and deserve to be dealt accordingly.

Is it the Times policy to highlight the race of the perpetrators? Because for some reason I don't believe that they would highlight it if the two men were white.

Just in case anyone doesn't know this, The Times is one of the oldest and most well respected newspapers in the world.

Most of the respectability of any news service is gone once they're under the control of Rupert Murdoch.

 

[Particle Physicist]

wackness by those fools...but pretty sure the other way round...white guys exploiting asian girls is probably more common...the title made it seem like a widespread problem, but its a case of two guys and two girls...does it really need to highlight the race so much... Anyway, the idiots will suffer the consequences

The title and the first sentence makes it seem as if they were running a prostitution ring while the rest of the article makes it seem as if they just drugged the girls up and had sex with them. Either way both these men are scum and deserve to be dealt accordingly.

Is it the Times policy to highlight the race of the perpetrators? Because for some reason I don't believe that they would highlight it if the two men were white.

did you guys not read the rest of the article? they highlighted the ethnicity because its 'supposedly' a large problem within that community. it was in context.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

The most popular food in the UK isn't fish and chips, it's chicken tika, and chicken tika isn't entirely Indian/Bangladeshi, it was created by British Asians in Birmingham.

Maybe there is some special way they cook it in the UK, but chicken tika was certainly not invented in the UK.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

i'm pretty sure there are lots of whitemen grooming young white girls for sex and prostitution. its not an asian thing just vile men

That article is kinda shitty. Gives a vague reference to 'hundreds of girls' being passed around but the cops not doing anything. God, does that sound like general fear mongering. I feel like I was transported back to the fifties and some black guy looked at a white women. I really wished the whole planet would get over this 'helpless white woman' syndrome. This shit always gets published.

 

[JKBii]

The title and the first sentence makes it seem as if they were running a prostitution ring while the rest of the article makes it seem as if they just drugged the girls up and had sex with them. Either way both these men are scum and deserve to be dealt accordingly.

Is it the Times policy to highlight the race of the perpetrators? Because for some reason I don't believe that they would highlight it if the two men were white.



Most of the respectability of any news service is gone once they're under the control of Rupert Murdoch.

The Times is slanted based on local pressures in this case, not Murdoch.

 

[Nerevar]

You know, if these guys were white and 19 and 20 ... it would just be called "Friday Night anywhere in America".

or "date rape" ...

 

[BolognaOni]

Typical sensationalist journalism. You gotta admit, it caught your attention though...

It's not surprising there is some cultural clash here though. Both cultures have their dark sides, but they do operate slightly differently. Age of consent in particular is not always the same...

The extent to which this kind of activity continues throughout the world is pretty sad really. It's encouraging when any perpetrators are called out, although that seems to happen most often when an "honorable" woman is "dishonored" in the process- something the article alluded to when mentioning their motivations. They just have a different idea about who is honorable really...

 

[DarienA]

Typical sensationalist journalism. You gotta admit, it caught your attention though...

It's not surprising there is some cultural clash here though. Both cultures have their dark sides, but they do operate slightly differently. Age of consent in particular is not always the same...

The extent to which this kind of activity continues throughout the world is pretty sad really. It's encouraging when any perpetrators are called out, although that seems to happen most often when an "honorable" woman is "dishonored" in the process- something the article alluded to when mentioning their motivations. They just have a different idea about who is honorable really...

...somehow I missed the sensationalism part...

 

[laesperanzapaz]

Seeing as how Rupert just bought New york city....

 

[GSG Flash]

did you guys not read the rest of the article? they highlighted the ethnicity because its 'supposedly' a large problem within that community. it was in context.

The article and the quotes it has seems to be making a lot of unfounded statements like all Asian men marry their first cousins, all Asian men are married through arranged marriages, all Asian men are married to Asian women otherwise it's a huge breach of the family's honor, all Asian men think that white girls are sluts etc..

The article definitely has a slant to it. The fact is that this is an isolated case despite what the article says, if it really was a huge problem, I doubt the authorities would turn a blind eye to it just because taking action might seem "racist", especially when there are kids involved.

 

[Particle Physicist]

The article and the quotes it has seems to be making a lot of unfounded statements like all Asian men marry their first cousins, all Asian men are married through arranged marriages, all Asian men are married to Asian women otherwise it's a huge breach of the family's honor, all Asian men think that white girls are sluts etc..

The article definitely has a slant to it. The fact is that this is an isolated case despite what the article says, if it really was a huge problem, I doubt the authorities would turn a blind eye to it just because taking action might seem "racist", especially when there are kids involved.

maybe so, but you made it seem as if the article only mentioned their ethnicity without any context. however slanted and senseless this story is, the ethnicity of the men involved played a part in the article as a whole.

 

[Mike Works]

 

[titiklabingapat]

British Asian doesn't usually refer to Middle Easterners, they are just Arabs. British Asian is more specifically Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, usually.

They are very distinct ethnic groups, and also, though there are a fair number of middle easterners in the UK, it's nothing like the number of subcontinentals. Modern British culture is enormously influenced by subcontinental immigration throughout the mid 21st Century.

The most popular food in the UK isn't fish and chips, it's chicken tika, and chicken tika isn't entirely Indian/Bangladeshi, it was created by British Asians in Birmingham.

There's been an influx of Hindi etc. into British slang too. Can't say that for arabic at all - that's France.

So yeah I wouldn't include middle easterners in "British Asians" at all.

This is exactly why they called it sensationalism. Besides, I doubt the guys did it because they're Asians fro cultural reasons(for pressure to get married and all that stuff, dishonor asian girls). They're old, for christ sake. They're just full fledged pedarists.

Probably South East Asians they're referring to. Anyways, they should just be told to spit their game and if they fu*k up, try again.

I'm not very familar with Arabic naming conventions for people in the middle east but South East Asian Muslims tend to have very orientalized, arabic derived names with clear Hindi influences.

 

[Sanjay]

“It is not just white girls being exploited. Asian girls are involved too, but their numbers are less. There is less access to them, and the criminals are more likely to be deterred by their fathers and brothers, who they know will come after them.”

mostly true. asians (indians) work like the south do (usa) oldskool.

 

[mrklaw]

Maybe there is some special way they cook it in the UK, but chicken tika was certainly not invented in the UK.

Chicken Tikka Masala was.

Apparantly someone complained that their Chicken Tikka was too dry, so the chef knocked up a tomato-based sauce, and the rest is history

There was a time when Chicken Tikka Masala sandwiches were the best-selling in the UK!

 

[Dynamite Shikoku]

I like sex

 

[oldboy1]

Just in case anyone doesn't know this, The Times is one of the oldest and most well respected newspapers in the world.

Of course it is. :lol

As any of the UK gaffers already know, this is isn't even hitting the headlines on any news channels at the moment & yet according to the Times (which is supposedly one the most respected newspapers in the world :lol ) every single Arab/Pakistani/Indian guy is currently grooming as many young white girls he can get his brown little hands on.

Terrible newspaper with one of the most blatantly racist agendas I have ever seen.

 

[nelsonroyale]

did you guys not read the rest of the article? they highlighted the ethnicity because its 'supposedly' a large problem within that community. it was in context.

actually, Ive never read about this problem in any newspaper from the UK before...they give no other proof either.

Times is a conservative paper...respectability depends on your view point...personally Ive never though of acquiring any of my info from the news paper.

Anyway, I live in the UK and dont buy this is a wide spread problem at all...Its mostly eastern European/black prostitution problem here i would say

 

[Dies Iræ]

Just in case anyone doesn't know this, The Times is one of the oldest and most well respected newspapers in the world.

Are you kidding?

This is a blatantly racist article coming from a corporation puking an ultra-conservative, xenophobic slant.

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

The worst thing about the story is the quote fron Ann Cryer who is supposed to be a Labour MP.After reading her quote I thought she was a member of the BNP

“I think there is a problem with the view Asian men generally have about white women. Their view about white women is generally fairly low. They do not seem to understand that there are white girls as moral and as good as Asian girls.”

As for the respectabilty(or lack of) The Times the quality of writing has definetly dropped since Mudoch took over.It hasn't come close to the Daily Mail(which I can highly recommend if you are looking for a laugh) which is right-wing propaganda close to the standard of Fox news.

 

[Dr Zhivago]

Seeing as how Rupert just bought New york city....

 

[CrushDance]

Man those white people always going to Thailand and other countries to get prostitutes easily just because they are rich, white and from texas! We gotta do something about all those white people!

What is wrong with people...

 

[NumberTwo]

Man those white people always going to Thailand and other countries to get prostitutes easily just because they are rich, white and from texas! We gotta do something about all those white people!

What is wrong with people...

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[oldboy1]

Man those white people always going to Thailand and other countries to get prostitutes easily just because they are rich, white and from texas! We gotta do something about all those white people!

What is wrong with people...

Release date...August 2008.

:lol

Seriously though, I think he got off lightly due to who he is & the press attention he received. I imagine the punishment for raping under age girls in Vietnam is a lot more severe than a 3 year prison sentence. (which was reduced by 3 months in February).

 

[CrushDance]

Well those guys are due for whatever punishment they get. I don't care if it is "Oh but she wanted it..." Rape is rape and it doesn't matter if they're out of it or not. You should know better.

I'm just saying those that the "grooming" bit came off as "huh?" Grooming...really? I think our culture does more then enough grooming of women.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Release date...August 2008.

:lol

Seriously though, I think he got off lightly due to who he is & the press attention he received. I imagine the punishment for raping under age girls in Vietnam is a lot more severe than a 3 year prison sentence. (which was reduced by 3 months in February).

the fuck....!?!? Are you serious...the son of a bitch! The guy released shitty music to the world, which I would have given him a beating for anyway if I ever saw him. He raped our ears as well...and he got 3 years? Gah, if ever see him Im going to sow his lips together and staple his arms to his chest.

 

[oldboy1]

the fuck....!?!? Are you serious...the son of a bitch! The guy released shitty music to the world, which I would have given him a beating for anyway if I ever saw him. He raped our ears as well...and he got 3 years? Gah, if ever see him Im going to sow his lips together and staple his arms to his chest.

Yep, the length of the sentence is more shocking when you take into account that he was jailed for 4 months in the UK for possessing child pornography.

Obviously the 2 countries have their own legal systems, but it's a very clear case of escalation on his part. (going from looking at pictures/movies to actually committing the acts in Vietnam).

More info regarding his conviction here.

The singer - who stood accused of kissing, fondling and engaging in other sexual acts with the girls - last year evaded more serious charges of child rape, which carry a maximum penalty of death by firing squad.