Wind and wave, Scotland will be entirely green by 2020. I think the new snake things for tidal energy will be a big boost in this regard.
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UK Labour Leadership Crisis: Corbyn retained as leader by strong margin
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Wind and wave, Scotland will be entirely green by 2020. I think the new snake things for tidal energy will be a big boost in this regard.
Yeah. Chakrabarti is certainly deserving of a place in the Lords, and should be very effective there at scrutinising legislation. If Labour just boycott the whole thing then they get to watch as the Lords gets filled with Tory party donors and mandarins.
Could have waited a while though. If nothing else if gives the Tory party ammo to deflect away from the very deserving criticism that should be heading their way.
Theyre going to miss that target apparently, it'll probably be about 90%.
The main issue ignoring that is though over the course of the year they'll bea net exporter to the grid they still have to import at peak times as the peak output from renewables won't be high enough.
Until we solve the problems of storing energy for use in peak times it's impossible to rely on wind/tidal when everyone puts the kettle on half way through Coronation St.
Jezbollah
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It is quite funny though - She gets a peerage for an "independent" report into antisemitism just when the whole saga of Cameron's resignation honors is going on.
Anyway. There was apparently a Labour leadership debate on tonight (I never saw it on TV..).
The polling after had:
Party members
Corbyn: 49%
Smith: 51%
General public
Corbyn: 38%
Smith: 62%
(YouGov (04/08/16) - Snap poll post Labour Leadership Debate)
Billy_Pilgrim
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As much as I'd love it to be real there's fuck all evidence to suggest it is.
Commander Jameson
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I found these Corbyn policy summaries. I think the pledges are just the summary version of these.
travisbickle
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Corbyn's 10 pledges in 2016:
Can't trust professional design agencies, fucking Blairites the lot of them!
it looks like ransom note made from other manifestos.
Commander Jameson
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By the way, that "snap poll" post has been discredited by the Head of Political Research as a fake poll.
https://twitter.com/JoeTwyman/status/761315984766541830
Some prime dunking on display here from Smith RE: Corbyn's stance on Article 50
https://twitter.com/owensmith2016/status/761476141777559552
https://twitter.com/owensmith2016/status/761476141777559552
Principate
Saint Titanfall
How the fuck do you not remember saying that, the media has quoted it enough my god.
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Yep. I hope he goes soon.
Jezbollah
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Cool. Thanks for that. It had my spidey senses tingling - should have paid attention to them.
Good to know.
mmm, that particular quote requires a rather literal take on the word now. By saying "Now we have to do this" he could have meant "this is the current situation" rather than "immediately".
He's said the same though he took a month do correct himself.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36866170
JonathanEx
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Even if he didn't mean immediately, the fact it's taken him this long to counter the line that his view was that it should be invoked immediately is pretty awful.
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As much as I want Smith to win, that's some dishonest quoting of Corbyn that takes "now" rather badly out of context. It's clearly "now we have done this, we must do this", and not "we must do this immediately right now".
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That's political weaseling. Not even the good kind. Now means immediately or as soon as possible. It'd be extremely difficult to find someone whose definition of now means, in a few months to years time. If he said as soon as possible then maybe you could weasel in a credible arguement but that is incredibly poor.
Yes and there's a difference stating we must do this and we must do this as quickly as possible. There's no misinterpretation of what he said. What he said is immediately understandable.
He said we should try to leave the EU as quickly as feasibly possible. Owen is countering that it was a bad idea, Corbyn straight up lied or forgot. The same lienecy your giving to Corbyn is exactly the same leneicy you should be giving to Owen's question. Corbyn's response say it all. If he said that's a not what I meant when I said that, sure it's a valid arguemnet, but he said i did not state that.
He clealy did.
Yeah, this "now" thing is a storm in a teacup. Smith is too scared to actually go after Corbyn on things that matter so he is hung up on this sort of stuff.
Will be resigning my party membership if Corbyn wins, so it's a lose lose situation really... ;-)
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Saint Titanfall
Corbyn is a wasted vote quite frankly the guy does not want to be Prime Minister and is not competant enough to be Prime minister. Can you really imagine someone who has so much problem keepng his own party in check running the country? You can only put so much blame on his party members
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Sums up the Labour Party, really - too scared to go after Corbyn on the things that matter.
Camp Freddie
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The meaning of Corbyn's words are clear. He jumped the gun without thinking because he wanted to put pressure on the government to do something they didn't want to do.
He said (slight paraphrase, since I'm too lazy to look up the exact quote), "The people have voted for brexit. We have to invoke article 50 now, so that we can begin negotiation".
This is unambiguous. "Now" is used as an adverb.
He's trying to imply that he used it as a conjucntion, e.g.. "The people have voted for brexit. Now we have to invoke article 50, so that we can begin negotiation.
That would've been ambiguous. "Now" could mean "do it now" or it could mean "as a consequence of the vote"
Corbyn's tone of voice also suggests that he's using now as an adverb and not using messed up grammar to put a passive-aggressive emphasised conjunction at the end of his sentence (e.g. "You spilt milk on the floor, I'll have to clear it up now!")
Anyway, it's good to see that Corbyn haws expanded on some of his policies. They are a curates egg of sensible ideas and old left ideology.
The problem with all the "nationalise the X" rhetoric is that nationalisation will cost a vast sum of money. That's a large part of the reason why the Tories and New Labour did it. Why raise taxes when you can sell off a national industry.
Privatisation has involved a lot of foreign direct investment, without which our trade deficit would kill us. Our standard of living has been maintained over the last few decades by selling public services to foreign investors (yes it's a stupid and scandalous idea that makes Northern Rock look like a bunch of long-term thinkers, but it is very difficult to reverse it).
He said (slight paraphrase, since I'm too lazy to look up the exact quote), "The people have voted for brexit. We have to invoke article 50 now, so that we can begin negotiation".
This is unambiguous. "Now" is used as an adverb.
He's trying to imply that he used it as a conjucntion, e.g.. "The people have voted for brexit. Now we have to invoke article 50, so that we can begin negotiation.
That would've been ambiguous. "Now" could mean "do it now" or it could mean "as a consequence of the vote"
Corbyn's tone of voice also suggests that he's using now as an adverb and not using messed up grammar to put a passive-aggressive emphasised conjunction at the end of his sentence (e.g. "You spilt milk on the floor, I'll have to clear it up now!")
Anyway, it's good to see that Corbyn haws expanded on some of his policies. They are a curates egg of sensible ideas and old left ideology.
The problem with all the "nationalise the X" rhetoric is that nationalisation will cost a vast sum of money. That's a large part of the reason why the Tories and New Labour did it. Why raise taxes when you can sell off a national industry.
Privatisation has involved a lot of foreign direct investment, without which our trade deficit would kill us. Our standard of living has been maintained over the last few decades by selling public services to foreign investors (yes it's a stupid and scandalous idea that makes Northern Rock look like a bunch of long-term thinkers, but it is very difficult to reverse it).
It's just supremely disappointing that we moved away from Red Toryism with Corbyn, we got the new issues not personality based opposition... And now people want to throw that away just to lurch to the right again and let the political narrative *keep* on shifting that way.
We need opposition of ideas, not whatever Smith offers if anything.
I'm sorry but I don't think we ever had "red Toryism". I think that completely undervalues the massive steps forward that happened under Blair, and writing it off as 'Tory-lite' prevents any discussion happening and ignores the massive boosts to the NHS, to Education, to sure start, to university entrants, to equal rights, to the minimum wage etc etc.
PJV3
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I don't want a lurch to the right, I don't want a complete wipeout of the Labour party and UKIP possibly setting some strong roots down up north.
Snarfington
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Unfortunately, Smith with input from the strong voices of the current Corbyn supporters would probably be far more effective at providing opposition of ideas than Corbyn ever will be.
Under Corbyn I really believe the Labour party will tank itself and eliminate those left-wing ideas from major politics for the foreseeable future. It's a shame his blind supporters can't see that.
Billy_Pilgrim
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You won't be missed.
yep, good post. the now is ambiguous until its followed with "so that we can begin negotiation"
the eu isn't allowed to start negotiations until we activate article 50, so the meaning is clear.
he wants the eu negotiations to start asap so he can go to his rallies and preach to the converted about how the tories are negotiating away workers rights to big cheers. whether they had to happen is irrelevant - he protested them and that's what matters.
Dishonest quoting of Jeremy Corbyn? In my political discourse? It's more likely thank you think.
Seems a little early to me. Or does he like to be tucked in bed with a hot toddy by 9?
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It's not dishonest, it's literally what the guy said, unless we're going to continue engaging in a discussion on pedantics, I mean what does doing something now really mean in the philosophical case....
If you want to see some truly epic dishonest quoting of a politician, you should check out this
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-wrongly-says-hillary-clinton-wants-ra/
lol
CyclopsRock
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Tbh I think a lot of the "dishonest quoting" of Corbyn is trying to divine what he actually means from what he actually says, because they're not always the same thing.
CyclopsRock
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Eh? Did Thatcher come back to haunt the party?
The bitterness runs through and through that party.
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CyclopsRock
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Really?! I'm not sure there is a real feeling that her being stuck by Heseltine was a mistake.
She certainly did. But it was the Labour party (hah!)
Ahahaha
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So, I'm very much not Team Corbyn, and I read it as a conjunction still. The point is that it is ambiguous enough that acting as though it were a "gotcha" moment is not convincing to many who weren't already convinced. There are better arguments to make.
Let's forget about welfare and social housing, though. Basically, let's forget about the poorest and most vulnerable people when discussing Blair's government.
Just to address the welfare comment, from wikipedia:
The Tories of course would have done EXACTLY the same. The re-writing of history to pretend New Labour didn't do fucking amazing things for the working class and the poorest in society is one of the most unpleasant aspects of the liberal left under Corbyn. Let's compare what Blair accomplished in his 8 yers to what Jeremy Corbyn has accomplished his entire life for the poorest people in society.
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