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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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Xavien

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Azih said:
Non-Brit. Serious question. I mean Germans can do it.
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Tories and Labour have been rubbishing each other for the better part of 80 years (first as a part of class warfare, now more based on tribal politics), i dont think the country is ready to accept such a coalition because the press and the people could very well implode :lol .

If it ever happened, i really think everyone in the UK wouldn't know what the hell to think, since tribalistic politics has been ingrained in the country ever since parliaments inception.
 
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Looks like Clegg played his cards perfectly, keeping those plates spinning throughout this whole process.
 
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Meadows

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If LD/LAB won even 5 or 6 more seats then I think the coalition would work. However, with the SDLP/PC/GRN parties involved, it would involve giving too much to the minority parties to make things work. I wish the CON/LD parties good luck in the coalition, and hope that LAB can reform and go back to its roots with a younger, more energised, more left wing party.
 
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Varion

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MmmSkyscraper

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Gary Whitta said:
Old ladies in middle England talking about the blogosphere? We are truly through the looking glass.
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That report was utterly worthless. Let's ask Tories in Henley what they think of Labour and Ireland/Scotland/Wales. Drop that knowledge on me chief.
 
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Veidt

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Just got back from a 4 hour exam.
So i hear Lab-Lib coalition will not happen?

Tell me Clegg managed to at least get reform out of the Cons.
 
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Veidt

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Very interesting, this.
So a Con-Dem coalition? What's the chances of it crumbling and labour coming out looking good by the time the next election is held?
 
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Chinner

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Veidt said:
Very interesting, this.
So a Con-Dem coalition? What's the chances of it crumbling and labour coming out looking good by the time the next election is held?
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Apparently a 3-4 year coalition is the deal, I'm speculating that with an election afterwards.
 
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Dambrosi

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...ah, dammit.

With the developments of the last 24 hours, the best a hopefully-reformed (and left-wing) Labour Party can now hope for is a severe double-dip recession, followed by an implosion of the coalition along ideological/electoral reform lines.

Which wouldn't be good for anyone, and isn't something I would wish on anyone.

The alternative is continued Conservative government for the foreseeable future, 'cos you know the Lib Dems wouldn't get any credit for their part from the electorate, not with the British press being how they are. And if things go that way, you KNOW you won't get reform.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone either.

Potentially nightmare times ahead, I hope we all survive it.

EDIT: Actually, there is one good thing that might come out of this - the DEBill might be quietly dropped now. Hey, silver lining.
 
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Xavien

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Veidt said:
Very interesting, this.
So a Con-Dem coalition? What's the chances of it crumbling and labour coming out looking good by the time the next election is held?
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Quite High, but in the mean time it'll prevent too much damage being done and maybe we'll get voting reform out of the mess.
 
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sohois

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Veidt said:
Very interesting, this.
So a Con-Dem coalition? What's the chances of it crumbling and labour coming out looking good by the time the next election is held?
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There's not much chance of the coalition collapsing, i'd say, without external interference i.e. some kind of interference from the eu. However, most would say there's a pretty good chance that the next government will be hugely unpopular given the scale of cuts required so labour could do very well next election, assuming Balls doesn't become next leader.
 
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Dambrosi

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sohois said:
There's not much chance of the coalition collapsing, i'd say, without external interference i.e. some kind of interference from the EU. However, most would say there's a pretty good chance that the next government will be hugely unpopular given the scale of cuts required so Labour could do very well next election, assuming Balls doesn't become next leader.
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The bolded...um, what?! Are you that paranoid to believe this is plausible?
 
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Gary Whitta

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One silver lining:

6.52pm: With Gordon Brown out of office, there will be nothing to stop Alastair Campbell publishing the full, unexpurgated edition of his diaries (ie, the stuff about how appallingly Brown used to treat Tony Blair). According to John Rentoul, they will be published "imminently".
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FuturusX

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I sure the sticking point now will be a fixed term for the coalition. The tories will be keen to avoid this so they can jettison the Lib Dems into space at the earliest convenience, calling a general election as soon as the polls are favourable.
 
NekoFever

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So I just got home from work, turned on BBC News, and the first thing I see is a 9/11 truther holding a sign in the background :lol
 
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The Friendly Monster

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Dambrosi said:
...ah, dammit.

With the developments of the last 24 hours, the best a hopefully-reformed Labour Party can now hope for is a severe double-dip recession, followed by an implosion of the coalition along ideological/electoral reform lines.

Which wouldn't be good for anyone, and isn't something I would wish on anyone.

The alternative is continued Conservative government for the foreseeable future, 'cos you know the Lib Dems wouldn't get any credit for their part from the electorate, not with the British press being how they are. And if things go that way, you KNOW you won't get reform.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone either.

Potentially nightmare times ahead, I hope we all survive it.
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That's one take on it, I'm quite hopeful myself.

We get to see a coalition in action. The worst Tory policies are discarded (a few which the Tories will be quite happy to get rid of). Lib Dems finally having some say. An unelectable Brown gone. A strong opposition who deserve to be in opposition. And AV for the next election to ensure we don't have a Tory majority to deal with again for a long time.

Labour will rise again. It's certainly better for them than hanging onto power (which would be seen as illegitimate by a lot of people, myself not included) through this difficult economic time with another "unelected pm" (I also don't think this is fundamentally wrong but many would).

In fact Labour will possibly do the best out of this deal. I feel sorry for the Liberal Democrats as their arm has been twisted, to not form a coalition would be seen as putting the country at risk. The fact that they have seemingly managed to get so much out of the Tories is testament to their bargaining skill, and the balance of the seats.

Many Tory and Lib Dem MPs and supporters will be unhappy with them getting into bed with the opposition, but there really was no choice, and If the liberal democrats truly want a more proportional system then they should not be moaning about having to form a coalition.

It could've been a whole lot worse than this.

I do have to say that throughout this the right wing press have been utterly abhorrent, and really brought out their colours. The parties and leaders particularly have acted in an exemplary fashion in my opinion.
 
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Xavien

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The Friendly Monster said:
That's one take on it, I'm quite hopeful myself.

We get to see a coalition in action. The worst Tory policies are discarded (a few which the Tories will be quite happy to get rid of). Lib Dems finally having some say. An unelectable Brown gone. A strong opposition who deserve to be in opposition. And AV for the next election to ensure we don't have a Tory majority to deal with again for a long time.

Labour will rise again. It's certainly better for them than hanging onto power (which would be seen as illegitimate by a lot of people, myself not included) through this difficult economic time with another "unelected pm" (I also don't think this is fundamentally wrong but many would).

In fact Labour will possibly do the best out of this deal. I feel sorry for the Liberal Democrats as their arm has been twisted, to not form a coalition would be seen as putting the country at risk. The fact that they have seemingly managed to get so much out of the Tories is testament to their bargaining skill, and the balance of the seats.

Many Tory and Lib Dem MPs and supporters will be unhappy with them getting into bed with the opposition, but there really was no choice, and If the liberal democrats truly want a more proportional system then they should not be moaning about having to form a coalition.

It could've been a whole lot worse than this.

I do have to say that throughout this the right wing press have been utterly abhorrent, and really brought out their colours. The parties and leaders particularly have acted in an exemplary fashion in my opinion.
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I have to agree, lets just see what happens and take it as it comes :)
 
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Diablohead

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While doing pc work I have been watching bbc news 24 a fair bit (mainly just on in the background) but it's been slightly interesting all of this, I don't usually follow these kind of things but it's such a big event it seems to be everywhere :p

let's see what Brown has to say in a moment, they were right about something happening around 7pm.

I will say this, I don't dislike Brown but I am kind of glad to see Cameron stepping up.
 
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Empty

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7.09pm: On his blog, Newsnight's Michael Crick quotes an unnamed Liberal Democrat MP who told him he was amazed how much the Tories were willing to compromise. The MP told Crick:

I can't believe how much they've offered us. The Tories have basically rubbed out their manifesto and inserted ours. We'll have to cope for four or five years with our flesh creeping, but still.
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kind of excited to hear about this deal now.
 
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Chinner

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dsister44 said:
Megaton incoming!


not since Square Betraylton and Twilight Princess announcement has there been such excitement
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Er no!

When the Wii for announced my life was redefined as I knew it. This however is pretty minor in comparison.
 
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