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1618: Confusing signals coming from the Lib Dems. A frontbench Lib Dem source has told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg that a deal between his party and the Tories will be announced later today. But, in response to the question, "Have the talks collapsed with Labour?" another Lib Dem insider has told our correspondent Mike Sergeant: "No. Our expectation is that talks will continue."
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I'm getting a headache.

The BBC just seem to report anything and everything they hear.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Something tells me this is going to get wrapped up today.
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Well this Lib Dem Lord Roberts says he expects the Conservative offer to be either approved or shot down before 9pm tonight.
 
I understand that this is a unique opportunity for the Lib Dems to get into government in some form, but is the most historic act of this supposed brave and independent third voice in British politics really going to be propping up a fucking Tory government? Pass the sick bag!
 
I really think the con-dem coalition is the only sensible thing to do, get into power, stabilise the markets with clear debt cutting measures, hold the referendum on PR then hold another general election, there's no way it'll hold for 5 years but for my money it is what we need right at this moment.
 
Deadman said:
If Clegg has given my vote to Cameron I won't be best pleased.
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what would you rather a) your vote is used to influence the running of the country very little or b) your vote is used to implement key lib dem policies on tax, education and civil liberties as well as to help advance the aims of the party by showing that coalitions can lead to stable government.
 
kitch9 said:
You've more chance of getting some LD policies through now than you ever had with your vote, why will you not be pleased?
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Yeah I'm very cautiously optimistic about the prospects of lib-con. It'll be interesting anyway.

Hmm, just remembered, a couple of people earlier in this thread laughed at the very suggestion that lib-con could form, heh.
 
Deadman said:
If Clegg has given my vote to Cameron I won't be best pleased.
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Not only will Clegg figuratively give your vote to the Cameron, he has actually gone to the trouble of finding your ballot paper and handing it to the Tories. That's just how much he despises the ordinary lib-dem voter.
 
Gary Whitta said:
I understand that this is a unique opportunity for the Lib Dems to get into government in some form, but is the most historic act of this supposed brave and independent third voice in British politics really going to be propping up a fucking Tory government? Pass the sick bag!
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As I posted before:
I know alot of us don't like it, but realistically, a Con Dem (LOL!) coalition is the way to go. It'll provide a good majority and a somewhat stable government. If the Lib Dems have managed to get the tories to agree with the a fixed term coalition then that's probably the best way to go. The Lib Dems will dilute the Tories, and we won't have to worry about another election coming up in a years time and the tories getting an ouright majority and going crazy with what they want.
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If we get some Lib Dem policies, and we stop the full invasion of a strong right, then this is probably the best opportunity we have. It's clear Labour isn't willing to negotiate and even then they're still ruled by New Labour shits.
 
I would rather my vote had gone towards a "progressive alliance" that would still have been able to pass the lib dem policies without passing any tory policies.
 
sohois said:
Not only will Clegg figuratively give your vote to the Cameron, he has actually gone to the trouble of finding your ballot paper and handing it to the Tories. That's just how much he despises the ordinary lib-dem voter.
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Nah, it's just Deadman he has it in for.

Seriously, though, a Lib Dem coalition with the Conservatives at this point is the only stable government we can have at a time when we desperately need a stable government. A power sharing agreement with Cameron allows the Lib Dems to mitigate the worst of the Tory policies while getting some of their own policies in place as well. If an improved electoral system comes about through this as well, then that's a good start.

A Lib-Lab alliance would have been at the mercy of the tiny fringe parties as well as malcontents in the LD/Labour ranks. A by-election could destroy it. Lib-Con at least has some comfortable leeway.
 
Deadman said:
I would rather my vote had gone towards a "progressive alliance" that would still have been able to pass the lib dem policies without passing any tory policies.
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Not all tory policies are bad, most of them are totally ineffectual vote winners, much less dangerous than another 5 years of Labour spending imo.
 
Acheteedo said:
Hmm, just remembered, a couple of people earlier in this thread laughed at the very suggestion that lib-con could form, heh.
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I was one of them! It's... really quite amazing to think it's actually happening, considering it seemed like such a laughable concept until Clegg said he'd be giving the Conservatives first dibs.

As it is, I've accepted the idea now. It's much preferable to a conservative majority, we appear to at least be getting some electoral reform, and some other Lib Dem policies will likely be implemented. The Rainbow Coalition would just end up making people think coalitions are unstable and unreliable and doubt PR as a reult, probably making them vote against it in a referendum, and would mean England would be taking all the spending cuts.

I'm not over the moon about it, but it's definitely the most stable option there is, and the Conservatives have been far more generous than I expected they would be with giving concessions.
 
I think the Lib Dems have done exceptionally well. At the start of the year if you told them that they would have the opportunity to play a significant part IN the next government they would have jumped at the chance.
 
Bloody hell -

1700"In the last two days the Conservative party has had two meetings, the Lib Dems three and continuous email contact. Labour has had none," writes disgruntled-sounding Labour MP Austin Mitchell, on his blog. "We are to have one Wednesday 2.30pm by which time it will probably be all over. No need to consult us when all the decisions can be taken by Mandy and Campbell. They know things so much better than the peasants and workers
 
The Guardian have a picture of Clegg's bargaining notes:

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/11/nick-clegg-note-conservative-deal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2010/may/11/election-2010-coalition-nick-clegg
 
painey said:
I love when people walk past and the reporters shout out questions.. they never get an answer and they just look stupid :lol
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I like how they stand in front of the cameras all dignied and professional, and then 'OMG its a politician!!!! the last 15 have said nothing but i'm sure if if we shout loud enough and obnoxious enough then they'll just HAVE to answer us
 
Chinner said:
The Sun :lol
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...b-Dems-are-a-bunch-of-two-faced-shysters.html
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this blatant act of betrayal is a desperately lucky escape for the Tories. Any deal David Cameron might stitch up was doomed from birth and would wreck a Tory government.
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That is pretty hilarious considering the Tory-Lib deal is now going through! But then The Sun conveniently forgets they said stuff all the time. Tomorrow they'll be proclaiming Clegg as the savior of British politics.
 
Deadman said:
I would rather my vote had gone towards a "progressive alliance" that would still have been able to pass the lib dem policies without passing any tory policies.
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You'd need LD to get more than 50-odd seats........ They never do........

This way we'll not get a full Tory onslaught and we'll maybe get some of the better LD policies, without that weird grinning goon Gord wafting the nations chequebook at every twat holding their hands out.

It could actually be good.
 
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The BBC's business editor Robert Peston says he has learned some of the likely elements of a joint Con-Lib economic and business policy. The £6bn of spending cuts promised this year by the Tories would go ahead, unless the economy were to dramatically weaken. The Tories would also adopt the Lib Dem plan to increase the tax-free allowance on income tax to £10,000. A meaningful initial rise in the allowance would come quickly, with a clear timetable announced to get to the full £10,000.
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Neat.
 
apart from THE SUN LOL but:
George Pascoe-Watson, the former Sun political editor, thinks the Lib Dems will get six cabinet posts in a Tory-Lib Dem coalition, and that Nick Clegg will become deputy prime minister.
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interesting..
 
is anyone else getting fed up with the phrases 'strong stable government' and 'in the national interest'. It's just the same arguments over and over again


Edit: clearly i'm not, that woman annoyed all of us clearly
 
George Pascoe-Watson, the former Sun political editor, thinks the Lib Dems will get six cabinet posts in a Tory-Lib Dem coalition, and that Nick Clegg will become deputy prime minister.
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If true, that Lib Dem negotiating team could talk the pants off a nun.
 
Chinner said:
Neat.
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Well that's nice.

... Unfortunately the only one working in my family right now is my dad, who has a public sector job. So I'll see what the cuts will comprise before getting excited about an income tax decrease that he may or may not actually get.
 
Fixed-term parliaments - if we did have some horrific unstable coalition at some point in the future which never got anything done due to in-fighting and unreasonable demands, or a powerless minority government managed to form, wouldn't it be quite bad to be stuck with that for four years?
 
The way Nick Robinson was talking about Lord Mandleson going to No. 10 to be there with Gordon Brown 'At the end' makes it sound like he's going to be put down.

So, what cabinet posts are we hoping for for the Lib Dems?
 
RedShift said:
The way Nick Robinson was talking about Lord Mandleson going to No. 10 to be there with Gordon Brown 'At the end' makes it sound like he's going to be put down.

So, what cabinet posts are we hoping for for the Lib Dems?
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Chancellor: Vince Cable.

...Okay that's not going to happen. He should get something related to Business though. I'd back Clegg as Deputy PM too.
 
RedShift said:
The way Nick Robinson was talking about Lord Mandleson going to No. 10 to be there with Gordon Brown 'At the end' makes it sound like he's going to be put down.
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I bet they've got all the old Third Way gang there.
 
six cabinet posts is more than 1/4 of the entire cabinet isn't it. for getting about 1/6 of the tories seats, that's pretty damn amazing.
 
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