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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage
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Zenith said:
on a uniform swing: YES!
Conservative 207 seats
Labour 235 seats
Liberal Democrats 175 seats
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/swing-calculator
Sir Fragula said:
The Game Changer is the Lib Dems not being seen as a 'wasted vote' anymore, which is how they've always been written off and why people always seemed to like what they said but then never voted for them.
The momentum from the polls now though plus the way it's being reported in the media means they have suddenly stopped being a wasted vote, and suddenly become exactly the 'Change' which people want but which Cameron isn't seen as offering.
And the more the Lib Dems are attacked by the other parties, the more they show them to be not a wasted vote.
The other big factor that's changed is Nick Clegg went from being sidelined and written off as a joke to actually being seen as genuine, passionate and having some convictions. Suddenly Vince Cable isn't their only asset. The combo of Clegg + Cable is certainly a hell of a lot more appealing than any of the other parties.
Very interesting indeed all this.
brain_stew
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DECK'ARD said:
Woah
DECK'ARD said:
Holy shit!
Something big is brewing here guys, it'd be incredible for them to maintain this momentum. Once people see those polls they'll no longer see a vote for the Lib Dems as a wasted vote and it has the potential for a real snowball effect, things are starting to get real exciting.
I bet Labour and the Tories are really ruing their decision to let Nick Clegg to take part in these TV debates or to even let them happen altogether. Worst political move in recent history!? :lol
They've been a real win for democracy and when democracy wins in this country, the old parties lose.
brain_stew
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Empty said:on a uniform swing: YES!
Conservative 207 seats
Labour 235 seats
Liberal Democrats 175 seats
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/swing-calculator
:lol...................
Nick Clegg needs to drum home this point at the next debate big time now. They're the only party that are going to help bring about real electoral reform and once the British public catch on to the fact that the current system is so broken that the party in third and with only 23% of the vote can still win the most seats surely people are going to take notice. You'd have to hate the idea of democracy altogether if you didn't believe that sort of result shows how fucked up the current system is.
Dark Machine
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I am officially Shock...I honestly had/still have no faith in the rest of the country's electorate, but at least its allowed me to dream for one day.
Dabookerman
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Was on Facebook and saw on Nick Clegg's fanpage some tory nutter posted on comments. I say nutter because he sounds like a typical republican nutter who claims that if Lib Dems win, we will become a communist state and go back to the stone age :lol
But yeah, Holy shit at polls.
I just really hope Clegg doesn't fuck up. That's all. I really do not want to be in his shoes right now, the pressure must be immense.
But yeah, Holy shit at polls.
I just really hope Clegg doesn't fuck up. That's all. I really do not want to be in his shoes right now, the pressure must be immense.
Frank the Great
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I've been following this election and, as an American, I just want to note that I think the British systems of elections are vastly superior. In just one month, manifestos are released, intense debates take place, the parties campaign, and the public decides. Much better than our long, drawn out system in which the media gets bored and focuses on the dumbest shit in excruciating detail for over a year.
Dabookerman
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This made me LOL
Dabookerman
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Wes said:
*rubs hands together
Frank the Great: I noticed that. The 2008 election campaign seemed to go on for about a year, all the primaries, all the drama of whether the Democrat candidate would be Obama or Clinton... God. 1 month of it here is bad enough.
BTW, I have a feeling that if Labour came first in the House of Commons but 3rd place in the vote, and Brown hung on as PM, I'm pretty sure that one of 3 things would happen
a) mass protests
b) Queen refuses to let him stay as PM with such a weak mandate and personally picks someone else (this can and has happened)
c) the EU/UN would start making noises
BTW, I have a feeling that if Labour came first in the House of Commons but 3rd place in the vote, and Brown hung on as PM, I'm pretty sure that one of 3 things would happen
a) mass protests
b) Queen refuses to let him stay as PM with such a weak mandate and personally picks someone else (this can and has happened)
c) the EU/UN would start making noises
Dabookerman
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Wes said:
Who? Paxman? Why?
brain_stew
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Wes said:
:lol
Oh fuck, can't wait. TV event of the year!
Dabookerman
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Lmao. I'm watching Newsnight. And the audience reaction to Nigel Farage is hilarious.
Dabookerman
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Wes said:
That was fucking surreal :lol
Dabookerman
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Wes said:
"Swallow them whole"
:lol
Seriously, how long does that stuff go on for in the US? I remember wondering when I kept seeing it mentioned on the news again and again for months but never got round to actually finding out.Frank the Great said:
Also, can't wait for Paxman now. This should be worth watching :lol
More American reactions:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/ric...apr/16/leaders-debates-us-reaction-nick-clegg
also, hello fellas.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/ric...apr/16/leaders-debates-us-reaction-nick-clegg
also, hello fellas.
Dabookerman
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Chinner said:
Nick Clegg is an Atheist. So he would have been catapulted out of America.
Another reason why I am voting for him btw. He's a secularist. (His wife is Catholic, so faith isn't a problem to him
You know what other Atheist had a catholic wife?? Charles Darwin :O! Charles Darwin = Nick Clegg!!!
TheDrowningMan
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The Tories are becoming increasingly desperate now that their reactionary choo-choo train is spitting out black smoke and coming close to getting derailed.
Can anyone create a gif showing John McCain morphing into David Cameron and vice-versa?
Can anyone create a gif showing John McCain morphing into David Cameron and vice-versa?
Dabookerman
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Mr. Sam said:
Really? You got any articles or anything, would love to read the views and comments.
Explains why Cunt Widdecombe hates him.
I'm going prematurely senile (figuratively speaking), so I can't even remember exactly what it was about. I seem to remember an apology being given at some point. I'll see what BBC.co.uk has on it...Dabookerman said:
Edit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/12/nick_clegg_i_dont_believe_in_g.html
Best I could find thus far.
David Cameron anecdote generator: http://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/toys/dave-met.php
"Last week, I met an Asian pensioner, who told me that Political Correctness couldn't be stopped."
"Last week, I met an Asian pensioner, who told me that Political Correctness couldn't be stopped."
"Last week, I met a Flemish pensioner, who told me that corporation tax should be banned from drinking in England and Wales."Mr. Sam said:
"Last week, I met a gay reformed paedophile, who told me that climate change protestors set fire to a bag of kittens."
:lol
EDIT:
"Last week, I met a gay grandmother, who told me that the unions shouldn't be allowed to stay in a B&B when the owner doesn't want them to."
Sir Fragula said:
1) No our aims aren't convergent with the Europe. But I really would like to know what you think they are.
2)What have we benefited from apart from more unchecked immigrants. We have gained nothing that have been benefit to us.
3)No its really not - Hummanity's greatest political achievement was the US Bill of Rights.
Debate basically made me switch to voting for my convictions, rather than common sense and bitterness (was going to vote Labour as I'm in a Tory majority and can not stand the thought of Cameron getting into power).
It's so amazing the polls are currently showing the Lib Dems doing so well. I only hope they can hold out from the coming onslaught.
It's so amazing the polls are currently showing the Lib Dems doing so well. I only hope they can hold out from the coming onslaught.
Dabookerman
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Linkified said:
Linkified said:
Because no one believes Cameron will deliver any of it.
The Tory campaign has been a shambles, changing with the wind. Their manifesto is just one big soundbite with no costings, the public are tired of his empty talk and not knowing what they really stand for. What the Hell does 'Big society' even mean? Cameron didn't even mention it once in the debate and their manifesto is based completely around it.
The Tory manifesto gave them no bounce in the polls, the Lib Dems jumped 4% after the launch of theirs and BEFORE the debate. Their manifesto has costings, and isn't ignoring the elephant in the room that is the public finances. Apart from coming across a human, Clegg came so well out of the debate because he talked policy and was much more straight-talking than the other 2.
The Tories never recovered from backtracking on Osbourne's 'Age of austerity' speech. People had a hard time trusting Cameron anyway, but after that and promises of taxcuts etc. he looks even more like a second-hand car salesman than before.
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