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1. Breakfast
2. Lunch
3. Dinner

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I'm not gonna read through this whole pointless debate, but if you're the only person who's said this, it scares me what this country is coming to THIS MAN IS RIGHT, THE REST OF YOU ARE WRONG

EDIT: Meadows, I'm sure there's a reason everyone's jealous of the South-East. Could it be because it's the only civilised quadrant? South-West folk are all inbred whereas North-West and North-East suffer from having 'North' in their name, and the implications thereof.

 

[f0rk]

(whilst throwing around "It's grim up north" every 5 minutes) does my fucking nut.

To be fair it is actually pretty grim.

Spoiler

Living in Leeds is nicer than I thought it would be

 

[Meadows]

To be fair it is actually pretty grim.

Spoiler

Living in Leeds is nicer than I thought it would be

Leeds is pretty fucking grim apart from Headingley and some other areas (Chapel Allerton etc).

I think it's fair to say I'm biased but Manchester, Liverpool and Preston are a fair bit nicer.

 

[Xun]

So for all of you just waking up with a hangover, I have a hangover cure for you right here.

This is making it worse.

are you new around here?

Of course not.

I know you love to hate us, but there's no need man.

We cool.

 

[Meadows]

We cool.

hmhmm

 

[Suairyu]

This is making it worse.

Xun, sometimes you just need to let go. Sometimes you have a hangover, sometimes you don't. It's all meaningless, in the end. All that matters is getting to that next level of your life.

 

[phisheep]

I wouldn't say it's a south-north divide, but a south east-north west rivalry. South west is fine. I love Cornwall, cider and the eden project.
...

So that London gets more than 20x as much infrastructure spending than the North West and then wonders why unemployment/prospects are so low up here (whilst throwing around "It's grim up north" every 5 minutes) does my fucking nut.

Though to be fair, chances are that London gets waaay more than 20x the number of commuters/tourists/visitors than, say Hull does. And I'm far from convinced that improving public transport in Hull would swing it.

EDIT: Meadows, I'm sure there's a reason everyone's jealous of the South-East. Could it be because it's the only civilised quadrant? South-West folk are all inbred whereas North-West and North-East suffer from having 'North' in their name, and the implications thereof.

Reason everyone else in England (which, by the way and despite the news bias, is the majority) is jealous about the south-east is the same reason the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish dislike the English. It's because they thing they are the only ones in town.

The north-south divide doesn't make any sense to south-easterners because they don't in their hearts believe the north exists.

 

[f0rk]

Leeds is pretty fucking grim apart from Headingley and some other areas (Chapel Allerton etc).

I never leave the city centre.

 

[Yami]

So for all of you just waking up with a hangover, I have a hangover cure for you right here.

if it had some smooth jazz that would definitely perk me up. but i'm afraid it just made my hangover worse. nice try bro.

 

[Suairyu]

if it had some smooth jazz that would definitely perk me up. but i'm afraid it just made my hangover worse. nice try bro.

Yami, I think you hold onto smoothness too much like it's the only quality in life. Sometimes the jazz is smooth, sometimes it isn't. And that's okay. We don't need to worry about those things because we are free.

 

[Meadows]

Though to be fair, chances are that London gets waaay more than 20x the number of commuters/tourists/visitors than, say Hull does. And I'm far from convinced that improving public transport in Hull would swing it.

Not so much Hull, more Manchester.

- That the metrolink is taking so fucking long to expand is a joke. There just isn't the funding for it.

- Metrolink needs more trams

- The M60 needs widening by a lane, or two lanes in places.

- The M62 "managed motorway scheme" is a cover for lack of investment (they're basically making the hard shoulder an extra lane and putting in loads of speed cameras for extra money)

- Metrolink needs to reach Manchester airport sooner than it is doing

- Metrolink needs to expand into Warrington sooner than it is

- The rail links are starting to get electrified which is good, but way overdue.

- The A57 needs to become a motorway

that's just off the top of my head

 

[blahblah...blah]

Not so much Hull, more Manchester.

- That the metrolink is taking so fucking long to expand is a joke. There just isn't the funding for it.

- Metrolink needs more trams

- The M60 needs widening by a lane, or two lanes in places.

- The M62 "managed motorway scheme" is a cover for lack of investment (they're basically making the hard shoulder an extra lane and putting in loads of speed cameras for extra money)

- Metrolink needs to reach Manchester airport sooner than it is doing

- Metrolink needs to expand into Warrington sooner than it is

- The rail links are starting to get electrified which is good, but way overdue.

- The A57 needs to become a motorway

that's just off the top of my head

I might enter politics just to divert more funds away from places outside the South-East

 

[donkey show]

- The A57 needs to become a motorway

that's just off the top of my head

Yes, this. A 1000x this.

 

[Meadows]

Yeah, I mean when you see a sign on main road into Manchester (coming from Rochdale way I think it was) that says "Disruption expected until 2017", a sign that was posted more than a year ago, you know things are taking too long.

It's relatively simple. It's above ground. There just isn't the money for it. But I go down to London and I go on the M25 and see about 9 million cones and hundreds of bits of heavy construction equipment to expand roads that are already pretty empty (no doubt they're these Olympic priority roads or whatever), well I just feel let down.

I know it would be easier if we all moved to London, but I want some competition in the UK, I want multiple thriving cities. Unfortunately with the current funding situation the dice are heavily loaded in London/Home Counties favour.

 

[blahblah...blah]

Nobody's taking my anti-Northern bait I guess I'll have to grow up or something instead!

 

[blahblah...blah]

"Disruption expected until 2017"

That's fucking hilarious btw. And not in an incendiary way, in a 'I can't believe it' kind of way.

 

[RibbedHero]

Yeah, I mean when you see a sign on main road into Manchester (coming from Rochdale way I think it was) that says "Disruption expected until 2017", a sign that was posted more than a year ago, you know things are taking too long.

It's relatively simple. It's above ground. There just isn't the money for it. But I go down to London and I go on the M25 and see about 9 million cones and hundreds of bits of heavy construction equipment to expand roads that are already pretty empty (no doubt they're these Olympic priority roads or whatever), well I just feel let down.

I know it would be easier if we all moved to London, but I want some competition in the UK, I want multiple thriving cities. Unfortunately with the current funding situation the dice are heavily loaded in London/Home Counties favour.

This. So much this.

I love London and all, but I'd love it if it weren't the city in the UK. I love Germany's spread of 14 cities with more than 500,000 people (and undoubtedly even larger metropolitan areas). We have 3 (London, Birmingham and Glasgow).

Germany's spread was due to it previously being several small kingdoms but still, 3 large cities for a country of 60 million is poor.

 

[Clegg]

This. So much this.

I love London and all, but I'd love it if it weren't the city in the UK. I love Germany's spread of 14 cities with more than 500,000 people (and undoubtedly even larger metropolitan areas). We have 3 (London, Birmingham and Glasgow).

Edinburgh is pretty nice.

 

[Meadows]

This. So much this.

I love London and all, but I'd love it if it weren't the city in the UK. I love Germany's spread of 14 cities with more than 500,000 people (and undoubtedly even larger metropolitan areas). We have 3 (London, Birmingham and Glasgow).

I don't think there's much point in saying there's only 3.

The only reason that there is only 3 over 500,000 is because the actual "Manchester" area of Greater Manchester is small, in part due to the amount of space Salford takes up.

 

[Meadows]

If you're talking about Metro areas (which is what you should be doing when talking about cities), there are 11 over 500,000.

London - 8.2m
West Midlands - 2.2m
Greater Manchester - 2.2m
West Yorkshire - 1.5m
Greater Glasgow - 1.2m
Tyneside - 0.9m
Liverpool - 0.8m
Nottingham - 0.7m
Sheffield - 0.6m
Belfast - 0.6m
Bristol - 0.6m

 

[RibbedHero]

I don't think there's much point in saying there's only 3.

The only reason that there is only 3 over 500,000 is because the actual "Manchester" area of Greater Manchester is small, in part due to the amount of space Salford takes up.

True, but Frankfurt for example has a population of 670,000, but it's metropolitan area has over 5 million. Don't take the numbers at face value, just use them to compare the two countries.

 

[daviyoung]

This. So much this.

I love London and all, but I'd love it if it weren't the city in the UK. I love Germany's spread of 14 cities with more than 500,000 people (and undoubtedly even larger metropolitan areas).

Aside from the fact Germany has 20 million more people, most of those 14 aren't anything like London either. Germany has Berlin, Munich, Hamburg and maybe one other like Koln or Frankfurt but the rest are comparable to British cities all the same. Stuttgart is basically just Bath or Bristol in terms of city-ness.

 

[8bit]

1. Breakfast
2. Lunch
3. Dinner

OK? OK.

Breakfast, Dinner and Tea.

 

[RibbedHero]

I went ahead and checked Germany's

Berlin 4.4 million
Hamburg 4.3 million
Munich 2.6 million
Frankfurt 5.6 million
Cologne 1 million
Dusseldorf 7.3 million
Essen 5.3 million
Dortmund 0.57 million
Bremen 2.4 million
Dresden 1.1 million
Leipzeg 3.5 million
Hanover 1.1 million
Nuremberg 3.5 million

 

[Meadows]

Exactly, a lot of Germany's success is that it doesn't put all of its eggs in one basket. We should learn from that and invest in having 5 or 6 (at least) really fucking thriving cities so that people can pick and choose which one suits them best.

London
Manchester
Birmingham
Glasgow
Leeds
Newcastle

seems like a fair punt.

People's argument for putting stuff in London is "well everything else is there". It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Kentpaul]

Breakfast lunch dinner supper!

 

[Smelly Tramp]

So did anyone go out last night?

i went to Fabric in London with the gf, but did too much md and was like a zombie the whole time. fell over like 3 times, i am such an idiot. why are is there so many stairs in that place?

music was well good though.

 

[daviyoung]

Saturday is Fabric night for me, Fridays is all the beats stuff that I'm not into so much. Room 3 is always better on Fridays though, for some reason.

 

[phisheep]

People's argument for putting stuff in London is "well everything else is there". It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

With you all the way on that. Like the way the British Empire & Commonwealth Museum in Bristol upped sticks to move to London "that way more people will be able to see it". Yeah, like only all the 10% of the population that gets everything else anyway.

 

[Smelly Tramp]

Saturday is Fabric night for me, Fridays is all the beats stuff that I'm not into so much. Room 3 is always better on Fridays though, for some reason.

yeh, i don't live in london so wasn't really sure on which day to go. jack beats played a very good set, although i was hardly conscious lmao.

 

[Meadows]

With you all the way on that. Like the way the British Empire & Commonwealth Museum in Bristol upped sticks to move to London "that way more people will be able to see it". Yeah, like only all the 10% of the population that gets everything else anyway.

It's why I refuse to move to London. I absolutely will not give into living there and reproducing the inequalities that already exist in this country.

I'd rather move away to some other country. I feel more at home in Taiwan than I do in London anyway.

 

[Yami]

Yami, I think you hold onto smoothness too much like it's the only quality in life. Sometimes the jazz is smooth, sometimes it isn't. And that's okay. We don't need to worry about those things because we are free.

but smooth things are nice, bro.

So did anyone go out last night?

i went to Fabric in London with the gf, but did too much md and was like a zombie the whole time. fell over like 3 times, i am such an idiot. why are is there so many stairs in that place?

music was well good though.

have not been to fabric in a while, but my god, the music is godly, the atmosphere is unmatched and the venue is amazing (shitty phone reception though). i think ministry of sound is the only place that can kind of rival it.

anyways i went to my uni's shitty club night and had a hilarious time. we love how bad it is so we just roll with it.

 

[industrian]

Exactly, a lot of Germany's success is that it doesn't put all of its eggs in one basket. We should learn from that and invest in having 5 or 6 (at least) really fucking thriving cities so that people can pick and choose which one suits them best.

London
Manchester
Birmingham
Glasgow
Leeds
Newcastle

seems like a fair punt.

People's argument for putting stuff in London is "well everything else is there". It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Well, Germany has a lot of land to spread these cities around. I can't speak for the geography of England, but in Scotland you can only really accommodate large amounts of people in the central belt (outside of Aberdeen, Dundee, etc). We got mountains n' shit.

Scotland could very easily support at least double the people we've got right now though. But it'll never happen.

I know it would be easier if we all moved to London, but I want some competition in the UK, I want multiple thriving cities. Unfortunately with the current funding situation the dice are heavily loaded in London/Home Counties favour.

Next you'll be asking the Taiwanese government to spend less than 8/10ths of their money on Taipei.

 

[defel]

Unfortunately I had to reject Edinburgh Uni today for Warwick Uni. Id love to study in Edinburgh. Ive never visited but it looks like my kind of city and compared to Warwick/Coventry its no contest but the course is too good at Warwick to pass it by.

 

[Kentpaul]

So did anyone go out last night?

i went to Fabric in London with the gf, but did too much md and was like a zombie the whole time. fell over like 3 times, i am such an idiot. why are is there so many stairs in that place?

music was well good though.

mixed ecstasy mkat and alcohol together and looked like a complete tit. i have never been so disappointed in my self at taking such risks. I'm fucking better than this shit and the low class scum that use this shit.

the way i was chewing my lip left this big black blood stain on my bottom lip and i was walking around like that for hours.

Snorted half the mephedrone then bombed the other half then bought the Ecstasy pill an hour later.

I'm better than this shit people. I'm also going to stop smoking weed and focus on my health.

oh and some jerk tried to fight me when i was zoned the fuck out and had double vision. I dodged a few of his punches then crashed to the ground.. the dude then kicked me the head lol.

making stupid choices when drunk summed up my friday.

 

[FreeMufasa]

I cook as many of them as possible. The mid-day (ish) meals are lighter than the others and consist of sandwiches or a baguette. If you are planning to work out, you could make your next days lunch/brunch while your dinners/suppers are cooking or being prepared.

Being efficient with ingredients is a plus. I might have chicken breast fillets with something for dinner. I'd also stick a few extra in and cut/slice them up for salads/pasta lunches the next day. Pork is another great one for that.

I watch a lot of cookery tv shows and I've noticed that the majority of them are targeted at middle class people with large kitchens and the time to browse specialist markets.

When was the last time there was a genuine cookery show targeted at the 'meal-maker' in a family household with average-to low income? It would be a great way of improving the quality of the food that children eat, a great way to get parents and children interested in 'cooking together' and a great way of explaining basic cookery skills (folding, blind baking, sealing etc) to those who can't afford cookery classes or who didn't take it as an option in school.

Stick it on in the afternoon-to-evening slot on BBC One or something and I reckon it would do really well. Its all very well Nigel Slater telling us to use 'left-over ingredients' but hardly anyone will have a left over stash of ginger, brown sugar, a herb garden, double cream etc. It just seems horribly impractical.

Yeah, I agree with all of that.

I can cook a quite a lot of dishes but my problem is I can never be bothered to do it, I have zero passion for it. I'll start good for 2-3 days then i'll start skipping meals and soon enough i'm back to an ordinary diet.

I wish I had the spark my lil bro has whenever he's in the kitchen. Using the same ingredients, i'll probably make something boring but he'll mix, shake and do all this jazz and end up with something 10x better.

So did anyone go out last night?

i went to Fabric in London with the gf, but did too much md and was like a zombie the whole time. fell over like 3 times, i am such an idiot. why are is there so many stairs in that place?

music was well good though.

I went out to Tiger Tiger last night. Never liked the place, feels like a "My first club" but we wanted to stay local. I'm starting to go out on Saturdays more. Friday is overrun with 13-16 year olds.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

I spent last night cybering.

Living the dream.

 

[Smelly Tramp]

mixed ecstasy mkat and alcohol together and looked like a complete tit. i have never been so disappointed in my self at taking such risks. I'm fucking better than this shit and the low class scum that use this shit.

the way i was chewing my lip left this big black blood stain on my bottom lip and i was walking around like that for hours.

Snorted half the mephedrone then bombed the other half then bought the Ecstasy pill an hour later.

I'm better than this shit people. I'm also going to stop smoking weed and focus on my health.

oh and some jerk tried to fight me when i was zoned the fuck out and had double vision. I dodged a few of his punches then crashed to the ground.. the dude then kicked me the head lol.

making stupid choices when drunk summed up my friday.

lol oh dear kent, oh dear. if theres one thing i've learned its never to mix drugs. mkat is the dirtiest, mankiest drug going and i'd advise you to stay off that shit,

i bet if you'd have just had the pill and the booze you would have been fine, i mean i know i was like a zombie, but i did have control over my mind (just not my legs lol). i was also gurning my tits off.

stay away from amphetamines kent, i know theyre cheap and cheerful but the results are never good. and forget about that dickhead that kicked you in the head, some blokes out there are just up for getting into fights, fuck him

 

[RibbedHero]

Anyone else miss Matter? It was Fabric's brother, and was excellent night out every time I went there. Haven't been to Proud2 which replaced it, anyone have an opinion on it?

Exactly, a lot of Germany's success is that it doesn't put all of its eggs in one basket. We should learn from that and invest in having 5 or 6 (at least) really fucking thriving cities so that people can pick and choose which one suits them best.

London
Manchester
Birmingham
Glasgow
Leeds
Newcastle

seems like a fair punt.

People's argument for putting stuff in London is "well everything else is there". It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I want to add Bristol as well, seems like the South West has very little business going on.

 

[Nevasleep]

London
Manchester
Birmingham
Glasgow
Leeds
Newcastle

seems like a fair punt.

Could do with Cardiff or Bristol, and maybe one from the South coast, Bournemouth, Southampton or Portsmouth.

 

[blahblah...blah]

Anyone else miss Matter? It was Fabric's brother, and was excellent night out every time I went there. Haven't been to Proud2 which replaced it, anyone have an opinion on it?

S'alright. They're all a pain in the arse to get back from in the morning so I usually can't be fucked.

 

[SteveWD40]

That the metrolink is taking so fucking long to expand is a joke. There just isn't the funding for it. d

Shit yes.

I grew up in Stockport, when the Metro was supposed to be going there (through Didsbury) Stockport suddenly had a ton of funding options, they were going to do the whole town centre up, convert the waterfront, build apartments the works.

Then London took the funding to do some work on the underground and lolfuckyoustockport.

It's still a shithole and no work has been done to change that. Didsbury residents association were not happy either, they didn't like the idea of Stockport estate mongs being able to seep into their posh little neck of the woods (despite neighbouring Whalley Range and Gorton).

 

[twobear]

I wouldn't say it's a south-north divide, but a south east-north west rivalry. South west is fine. I love Cornwall, cider and the eden project.

and stuff like this pisses me off:

Transport Spending per head, per year, by region:

North East England: £5
South West England: £19
Eastern England: £43
North West England: £134
Yorkshire and Humber: £201
West Midlands: £269
East Midlands: £311
South East England: £792
London: £2731

So that London gets more than 20x as much infrastructure spending than the North West and then wonders why unemployment/prospects are so low up here (whilst throwing around "It's grim up north" every 5 minutes) does my fucking nut.

this is a fair observation, my mate from sheffield actually thinks its more like a south-east vs. everything else divide

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

So did anyone go out last night?

i went to Fabric in London with the gf, but did too much md and was like a zombie the whole time. fell over like 3 times, i am such an idiot. why are is there so many stairs in that place?

music was well good though.

Was at Proud in Camden last night, cool night still!

 

[Cindres]

May be off out in Newcastle with some lads from football, in decent spirits after coming back from a 2-0 trail to draw 3-3 we're happy enough.

Lifted my spirits seeing as Huddersfield threw away a THREE NIL FUCKING LEAD.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

It's why I refuse to move to London. I absolutely will not give into living there and reproducing the inequalities that already exist in this country.

I'd rather move away to some other country. I feel more at home in Taiwan than I do in London anyway.

My only hope is that if Fracking is given the go ahead in the NW/lancashire region we'll have the cash for more infrastructure projects. But it'll be a miracle if it isn't all pissed away down south.

Bolton isn't all that bad though, our regeneration has been pretty decent. We just need to give the dying big name high street the coup 'de grace and build more office space, apartments and promote smaller business.

 

[Bo-Locks]

Exactly, a lot of Germany's success is that it doesn't put all of its eggs in one basket. We should learn from that and invest in having 5 or 6 (at least) really fucking thriving cities so that people can pick and choose which one suits them best.

London
Manchester
Birmingham
Glasgow
Leeds
Newcastle

seems like a fair punt.

People's argument for putting stuff in London is "well everything else is there". It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Completely agree. I don't have any antagonism towards London itself or Londoners, (it's an amazing city), but is it really beneficial to the country to have one 'megacity' which inevitably sucks investment and opportunities from elsewhere? I would say not. London is a politicians wet dream, that's all. Politicians for decades, centuries even, have been obsessed with keeping London as the premier world city, to the detriment of the rest of the country.

This just about sums it up for me: A few years ago in Manchester, the council decided to replace a large chunk of the bus fleet. Oxford Road is (I think) the busiest bus route in Europe with vast amounts of students using them. The council made a big fuss about how they spent £6M on the brand new eco busses that would improve the (dire) public transport in Manchester. They didn't tell us that the busses were purchased from London and had already been in use for several years (London was getting a truly new fleet) making them second hand.

Like I said, that just about sums the London domination up for me, and you can repeat this scenario all over the country in virtually any sector that you want. If it ain't in London, then no one gives a fuck. Simply saying "well more people live there' isn't an excuse. As you said, it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Xun]

I went out to Tiger Tiger last night. Never liked the place, feels like a "My first club" but we wanted to stay local. I'm starting to go out on Saturdays more. Friday is overrun with 13-16 year olds.

Ah TigerTiger.

I remember being kicked out of the Croydon one for drinking too much.

We were initially drinking in Reflex next door, so I made sure to drink as much as I could since it was some cheap Thursday night. I had about 10 Double JD and Cokes, and was given 2 White Sambuca shots in the span of an hour.

Needless to say it wasn't long after we got to TigerTiger when I was kicked out.

First time blacking out and I somehow wound up in Carshalton...

 

[Nevasleep]

This just about sums it up for me: A few years ago in Manchester, the council decided to replace a large chunk of the bus fleet. Oxford Road is (I think) the busiest bus route in Europe with vast amounts of students using them. The council made a big fuss about how they spent £6M on the brand new eco busses that would improve the (dire) public transport in Manchester. They didn't tell us that the busses were purchased from London and had already been in use for several years (which was getting a truly really new fleet) making them in essence second hand.

Wouldn't it have been stagecoach or whoever bought the buses.
Anyway Manchester has a body similar to the TfL in London, so who's fault is it...
The reason buses are so good in London, is that the routes are put out to tender with strict conditions, which is why you see so many different companies operating in London (They may all be red, but look closer)

Bus companies shouldn't be run for profit, give them back to the councils. Cardiff bus being a great example. Cheap fares, new buses, and services people want.

 

[Mr. Sam]

I hate Croydon and I hate its crappy clubs.