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Tim the Wiz
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SmokyDave said:
I don't think you're anywhere near BNP extremist or anything, but you seem to be quite sympathetic of ethnocentric motivations. At least, from memory, that is.
Subliminal
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9 mins til Chancellors debate on C4!
By the way, avaya: the "labour liberal" vote being overridden by the Tory vote? What the hell? The 1997-2010 New Labour government has probably been one of the most authoritarian in the past century. Massive taxing and spending because the state is better at spending money than the individual (apparently), everyone is treated as a pedophile, people spying on your waste disposal habits, congestion charging, ...
Brown supported First Past The Post until this year when he realised that Labour faced electoral annihiliation when the Tories had 15-20 point opinion poll leads. Then, suddenly, he changed his mind.
edit: Live feed here too: http://www.channel4.com/microsites/A/askthechancellors/live.html
By the way, avaya: the "labour liberal" vote being overridden by the Tory vote? What the hell? The 1997-2010 New Labour government has probably been one of the most authoritarian in the past century. Massive taxing and spending because the state is better at spending money than the individual (apparently), everyone is treated as a pedophile, people spying on your waste disposal habits, congestion charging, ...
Brown supported First Past The Post until this year when he realised that Labour faced electoral annihiliation when the Tories had 15-20 point opinion poll leads. Then, suddenly, he changed his mind.
edit: Live feed here too: http://www.channel4.com/microsites/A/askthechancellors/live.html
blazinglord
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Well aside from the addition of property bands it still resembled the poll tax! I just thought it was a weak argument when the Tories are in no way advocating its return.Shrubbery said:
As for deep cuts, Alistair Darling recently said that Labour will 'cut deeper than Margaret Thatcher'. Let there be no confusion here, all three parties are committed to reducing the budget deficit. The debate really is how and when. All three parties advocate deep cuts to public spending but the difference is that the Tories want to start now, and will probably opt for more cuts in public spending than an increase in taxation. Labour on the other hand, is likely to still cut public spending deeply, but also raise taxation - like they have already done so. Just wait till you get your paycheck at the end of April and see if you want any more tax increases!
jamieson87
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Based on your answers it looks like you should be voting for
Labour
in the next general election.
Issue Parties policies you chose
Crime Labour
Economy Labour
Education Conservatives
Europe Green Party
Immigration UKIP
Labour
in the next general election.
Issue Parties policies you chose
Crime Labour
Economy Labour
Education Conservatives
Europe Green Party
Immigration UKIP
people are voting on channel4.com
http://www.channel4.com/microsites/A/askthechancellors/live.html
its basically split almost evenly by cable,darling and osborne. what a disgrace. set this shit striaght.
http://www.channel4.com/microsites/A/askthechancellors/live.html
its basically split almost evenly by cable,darling and osborne. what a disgrace. set this shit striaght.
Dabookerman
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Cable is winning the polls. He also went backstage and PUNCHED OSBOURNE IN THE FACE!!
Nexus Zero
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When the camera pointed at the blank look on the crowd after Osbourne's rousing little speech I jumped up and shouted 'PAR!'
Felt good.
Felt good.
cable - KING :bow :bow
darling - solid, but boring. kept to talking points too much and was unfortunate to be stuck by labour's record on the economy. unconvincing on banks.
osborne - shut down by cable multiple times, still too slimy and smug looking, but he is a good speaker and did a good job at trying to position the tories further left than on previous years which will get him in trouble with the telegraph and his base, but will help overall. line about dismissing lib dems because they can't get in should have been left unsaid.
darling - solid, but boring. kept to talking points too much and was unfortunate to be stuck by labour's record on the economy. unconvincing on banks.
osborne - shut down by cable multiple times, still too slimy and smug looking, but he is a good speaker and did a good job at trying to position the tories further left than on previous years which will get him in trouble with the telegraph and his base, but will help overall. line about dismissing lib dems because they can't get in should have been left unsaid.
I can't say that any of the candidates impressed me particularly - Darling seemed completely out of ideas, Cable seemed more focused on point scoring and making populist remarks, whilst Osborne was made to look like a fool a number of times. Thinking back, i cannot remember anyone saying anything worthwhile at all. Though it should be said that i missed the first 20 minutes, so perhaps there was something there.
Also, i watched the programme with my younger sister (12) who knows nothing about politics, and she loved Vince Cable and hated Alistair Darling, for little reason.
Also, i watched the programme with my younger sister (12) who knows nothing about politics, and she loved Vince Cable and hated Alistair Darling, for little reason.
the thing is though, i think we all knew cable was going to own....and it did indeed own.
its going to be interesting to see how clegg does, hes abit unproven, potentially he could do alriight. like cable, hes in a really good position where he can actually critise both the tories and newlabour and make some really good populist statements. even if he draws with brown/cameron in opinion polls, thats still an improvement.
its going to be interesting to see how clegg does, hes abit unproven, potentially he could do alriight. like cable, hes in a really good position where he can actually critise both the tories and newlabour and make some really good populist statements. even if he draws with brown/cameron in opinion polls, thats still an improvement.
Dabookerman
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Chinner said:
When is that happening?
There's were a few close send places on some of these issues, but according to this, I should vote Conservative. Fancy that, being an unemployed, working-class 22 year old from a crap town.
Crime: Conservatives
Democracy: Green Party
Economy: Lib Dems
Education: Lib Dems
Environment: UKIP
Europe: Conservatives
Health / NHS: Green Party
Immigration: Conservatives
Welfare: Conservatives
I won't be voting for them though. I like many of the Lib Dems and Green Parties policies, and I also like a lot of the Conservative's policies, but I strongly dislike their take on the tax system (well, too many rich tax reduction desires), and that they've been wrong on many economic aspects, and dislike their take on electoral reform. I want either Alternative Vote or Proportional Representation.
Apart from that the Tory's polcies seem good... except I don't trust them, and would much rather us get at least an Alternative Voting system in place within the next parliament.
Crime: Conservatives
Democracy: Green Party
Economy: Lib Dems
Education: Lib Dems
Environment: UKIP
Europe: Conservatives
Health / NHS: Green Party
Immigration: Conservatives
Welfare: Conservatives
I won't be voting for them though. I like many of the Lib Dems and Green Parties policies, and I also like a lot of the Conservative's policies, but I strongly dislike their take on the tax system (well, too many rich tax reduction desires), and that they've been wrong on many economic aspects, and dislike their take on electoral reform. I want either Alternative Vote or Proportional Representation.
Apart from that the Tory's polcies seem good... except I don't trust them, and would much rather us get at least an Alternative Voting system in place within the next parliament.
Dark Machine
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I hate the fact that people are Labour or Con simply because their neighbours or family are. I asked my mum and dad why the voted Labour all the time and they just said "because my mum/dad did. And EVERYONE in the north votes labour!" I mean...does anyone actually look at policy any more? Vince owned everyone there. Good on him! 
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Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience ð¤
Dark Machine said:
We live in a society that discourages real critical thinking, if we did a lot of things would go in our society.
One thing I don't get is why a political organisation would label and define themselves as conservative, in the sense that I do not want conservative thinking people running a society. I want forward thinking individuals in government, thats what I expect, people need to think in terms of decades ahead, especially in a technologically dependent world.
I think the problem is that there is no sense of aspiration in the society that I live in, and I do not mean aspiration in terms of wealth which is where most of the worlds problems come from IMO.
What do you mean?
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