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[IDKFA]

Parliament has found the solution: stricter Islamophobia speech laws…?

Ah. Bringing in blasphemy laws, but only if you're critical of Islam.

I'm fucking sick to death of this country. It used to be a great place to live and I used to be happy saying I live in England. Now I'm ashamed of it.

I think it's time I move to Poland with my wife. She's Polish and she inherited her fathers apartment. Poland may not have the wages, but everything else is miles better than the UK.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Bro lives in Neo-Pakistan. Would never catch me in Bradford on God.

There are good people who are Muslim's but the majority are just low IQ morons who have hate for the country that houses them. Just ungrateful garbage, if they were white you know how it'd go down. There's a local business I support ran by a woman who is a Muslim and leads a good example who is supportive of the British public and doesn't use her religion in an abrasive way to be a cunt. Wish there was more people like that.

Massively inbred, their IQ on the subcontinent just pips at 80.

 

[EerieArcade]

Fewer cousins marrying in Bradford's Pakistani community

Cousin marriage has dropped among the city's Pakistani community - with a few possible reasons.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SminkyPinky]

I've spent my life around Muslims and there's only been a couple of instances where I could speak positively about them. The vast majority just aren't raised correctly. I got heavily bullied at both school and college by groups of them - I did software development at college and I was the only white kid there so I got a lot of abuse solely from that. I also work for Muslims and again, I'm the only white person there so they think it's okay to call me a 'Kuffar' in their language, not knowing I understand the term. On the positive side, my two best friends growing up were Muslim. The older brother is no longer a Muslim and the younger brother was killed by another Muslim (https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/7997556.hit-and-run-killers-hunted/) - A lovely family but they're also very critical of Islam. It's a pedophile cult masquerading as a religion.

Clearly you're a plant from some sinister group trying to stir up hatred and all of that is false...right Sir Keir?

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

The conservatives are talking big but they did nothing and would do nothing .

Because this all was going on 20 years ago. The vast majority of abusers were immigrants and not born here. Which means they can and in some cases had their citizenship stripped. One of rape gang leaders had it stripped so he could be deported.

Guess what he's still here.

Guess why? Being. UK being a member of the European human rights court. Can't deport a foreign criminal who committed the worst crime imaginable. Muh human rights.

The reason I say this as the mainstream parties wouldn't dare leave it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Parliament has found the solution: stricter Islamophobia speech laws…?

I remember when we had the Politics board and there were a collective of people who kept toeing the "islamophobia, racist, bigot, conspiracy theory" lines in defense. Funny that.

 

[Tams]

I've spent my life around Muslims and there's only been a couple of instances where I could speak positively about them. The vast majority just aren't raised correctly. I got heavily bullied at both school and college by groups of them - I did software development at college and I was the only white kid there so I got a lot of abuse solely from that. I also work for Muslims and again, I'm the only white person there so they think it's okay to call me a 'Kuffar' in their language, not knowing I understand the term. On the positive side, my two best friends growing up were Muslim. The older brother is no longer a Muslim and the younger brother was killed by another Muslim (https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/7997556.hit-and-run-killers-hunted/) - A lovely family but they're also very critical of Islam. It's a pedophile cult masquerading as a religion.

I've only be close with one Muslim, and while a great lad, he was a massive hypocrite.

He'd argue with me that any alcohol was taboo and completely unacceptable, and then that same weekend I'd be out drinking him with him.

 

[DaciaJC]

Traitorous sacks of shit.

 

[EerieArcade]

I've only be close with one Muslim, and while a great lad, he was a massive hypocrite.

He'd argue with me that any alcohol was taboo and completely unacceptable, and then that same weekend I'd be out drinking him with him.

Ah yes, I forgot the hypocrisy. Most of them do drugs also. Being gay is a big no-no in Islam. Weird, then, that the vast majority of Grindr users in my lovely city are married Muslim men.

 

[GloveSlap]

Holding people to different standards will always cause far more "racial tension".

I don't know how every Western nation became so cucked by their immigrants. If i showed up in Japan with no means to support myself, breaking the law, demanding free stuff, saying how Japan/Japanese are shit and i'm going to take over this bitch......it would come off as absurd. Because it is absurd, but this has become completely normalized in the West.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ah yes, I forgot the hypocrisy. Most of them do drugs also. Being gay is a big no-no in Islam. Weird, then, that the vast majority of Grindr users in my lovely city are married Muslim men.

"Women are for children, boys are for pleasure" - FUF.se

fuf.se

It's pretty prevalent in many Sharia places, not just Afghanistan in the article. "boy houses" etc.. You just aren't supposed to talk about it.

 

[DragoonKain]

Those turning a blind eye to this is a microcosm of why identity politics can be so dangerous. Once you start believing that specific demographics need to be treated differently based on where they fall in the oppression pyramid, then you end up causing more harm than good. But this is "restorative justice" working as intended. I'm not saying that those who advocate for it are cheering kids being sexually abused and assaulted or are happy about it. But I think it's it's an "unfortunate necessary evil" to those who are religiously into social justice reparations in all aspects of society.

It's illogical, immoral, and unpopular, so that's why those who speak up against it must be silenced. They know it would collapse under the slightest bit of scrutiny or discovery, so they have been trying to silence anyone speaking up about this. It can't collapse if no one knows about it or those who do speak up about it are deemed "quacks."

Ultimately, we must protect our citizens, no matter the cost. It doesn't matter who or what is responsible for evil, they are who they are. People who do evil things need to be judged and removed from society. Societies can't function optimally otherwise. It's why I hate when in America you'll have activists arguing that we shouldn't enforce Policy X or Law X anymore because it "adversely affects Demographic Y."

 

[jason10mm]

Oh my fucking God.

I am (maybe I should say 'was' now) a massive fan of Tom Holland. His Roman history books are spectacular and I'm a huge fan of the Rest is History podcast.

But these tweets have completely put me off him. A noble cause? Really? That's a fucking abhorrent statement and he should be ashamed of himself. Sickening.

I think I can still find a way to support Tom Holland through this. For starters, he is NOT a policy maker, so his opinion on this has no real direct effect. Secondly, I think he is pretty clear this is a bad outcome, but his "noble origin" comment is about how you -could- say this is a "barbaric act" but that kinda paints the entire culture with a negative brush, something he as an academic and a historian is wary of doing. Something that I, of course, have little to no concerns about doing as virtually all of my adult life has revolved around 'managing' US relations with islamic extremists in some form or fashion.

But Tom has teenaged daughters, IIRC, and I'm sure he keeps them far from these people and suffers the same "white guilt" about it that lots of liberals do.

I'm still confused as to how this stuff occurs. Are these thugs straight up snatching girls off the street or are they just the "party house" in a poor block with lots of unattended kids coming from broken homes where there are no fathers, or they are in prison, etc. to deal with this stuff. Surely there are enough ex-mil folks sitting around that would conduct some nocturnal "behavior correction" if the society itself was at least somewhat functional.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Those turning a blind eye to this is a microcosm of why identity politics can be so dangerous. Once you start believing that specific demographics need to be treated differently based on where they fall in the oppression pyramid, then you end up causing more harm than good. But this is "restorative justice" working as intended. I'm not saying that those who advocate for it are cheering kids being sexually abused and assaulted or are happy about it. But I think it's it's an "unfortunate necessary evil" to those who are religiously into social justice reparations in all aspects of society.

It's illogical, immoral, and unpopular, so that's why those who speak up against it must be silenced. They know it would collapse under the slightest bit of scrutiny or discovery, so they have been trying to silence anyone speaking up about this. It can't collapse if no one knows about it or those who do speak up about it are deemed "quacks."

Ultimately, we must protect our citizens, no matter the cost. It doesn't matter who or what is responsible for evil, they are who they are. People who do evil things need to be judged and removed from society. Societies can't function optimally otherwise. It's why I hate when in America you'll have activists arguing that we shouldn't enforce Policy X or Law X anymore because it "adversely affects Demographic Y."

IdPol is working by design to disrupt and emotionally manipulate (terraform) cultures through fearful subjugation. Destroying the family unit. Keeping us divided, fighting amongst ourselves while they reap everything from us at the top.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Communities did protect themselves. They were called the EDL, and it had the full weight of the law and media thrown against it. It wasn't pretty or particularly high brow, but it was all that many of these girls and families had.

Surely there are enough ex-mil folks sitting around that would conduct some nocturnal "behavior correction" if the society itself was at least somewhat functional.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Communities did protect themselves. They were called the EDL, and it had the full weight of the law and media thrown against it. It wasn't pretty or particularly high brow, but it was all that many of these girls and families had.

And they protect the names of the found guilty rapists/groomers and throw you in jail for publishing them.

The bad actors in the system are failing its people. Makes one wonder how connected they are themselves.

 

[Tams]

I think I can still find a way to support Tom Holland through this. For starters, he is NOT a policy maker, so his opinion on this has no real direct effect. Secondly, I think he is pretty clear this is a bad outcome, but his "noble origin" comment is about how you -could- say this is a "barbaric act" but that kinda paints the entire culture with a negative brush, something he as an academic and a historian is wary of doing. Something that I, of course, have little to no concerns about doing as virtually all of my adult life has revolved around 'managing' US relations with islamic extremists in some form or fashion.

But Tom has teenaged daughters, IIRC, and I'm sure he keeps them far from these people and suffers the same "white guilt" about it that lots of liberals do.

I'm still confused as to how this stuff occurs. Are these thugs straight up snatching girls off the street or are they just the "party house" in a poor block with lots of unattended kids coming from broken homes where there are no fathers, or they are in prison, etc. to deal with this stuff. Surely there are enough ex-mil folks sitting around that would conduct some nocturnal "behavior correction" if the society itself was at least somewhat functional.

The issue is often almost the entire community is complicit in some way. These are very large, extended, far too often inbred families.

And yes, the girls involved are almost always from broken homes. Even if they were adults it wouldn't be acceptable, but they are girls.

I can't just pass Tom Holland's com.ent off, especially when he was doubled down on it over a decade later.

 

[YCoCg]

Guys, guys, guys, don't worry, British justice has prevailed, here this man has been sentenced to two years in prison for the heinous crime of of ...selling modded Fire Sticks:

Two years in jail for Halifax illegal TV Firestick seller

Halifax man Sunny Kanda cheated legitimate providers out of more than £108,000, a court hears.

www.bbc.com

 

[Bojji]

I'm 100% behind the anger in this thread regarding these rape gangs, and how they've been allowed to operate due to a culture of fear and corruption around their religion and their ethnicity…

…but this is some straight up nasty shit. You sound like the antisemites talking about Jews.

It's one thing to want to tear people to shreds who rape young girls, but Muslims are a vile set of sub human filth?

I know this forum is (rightly) about keeping people free to speak their minds, but this is way beyond that.

You know that Muslims doing shit like this think they are doing morally good thing? Their religion allows this.

7th century barbaric bullshit that shouldn't be treated seriously by people in 2025, yet here we are.

People are people (good and evil), but when religion allows them to behave like this and don't feel like they are doing anything wrong - this religion needs to be banned.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I'm 100% behind the anger in this thread regarding these rape gangs, and how they've been allowed to operate due to a culture of fear and corruption around their religion and their ethnicity…

…but this is some straight up nasty shit. You sound like the antisemites talking about Jews.

It's one thing to want to tear people to shreds who rape young girls, but Muslims are a vile set of sub human filth? Tarring everyone with the same brush - no matter how fucked up their religion is - is just as fucked up.

I know this forum is (rightly) about leaving people free to speak their minds, but this is way beyond that. Time for me to vacate if this is allowed to stand.

Indeed. Wishing death upon to all Muslims is pretty fucked. Wishing death to the rapists however? Fair game.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Some "cultures" are barbaric and don't have a place in civilized societies. Our ancestors didn't fight many wars for this bullshit. This is where the tolerance craziness gets us.

MP’s call to ban cousin marriage is prejudiced | Letter

Letter: Dr Qurratul-Ain Rehman points to the low absolute risk of birth defects in children born to consanguineous parents in response to Richard Holden’s bill

www.theguardian.com

 

[Lambogenie]

You know that Muslims doing shit like this think they are doing morally good thing? Their religion allows this.

7th century barbaric bullshit that shouldn't be treated seriously by people in 2025, yet here we are.

People are people (good and evil), but when religion allows them to behave like this and don't feel like they are doing anything wrong - this religion needs to be banned.

And by your logic we'd be all dead since they see to want to kill everyone. News flash, most of any race or religion aren't corrupt, psycho loonies. Billions of them being fine.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It's deeply concerning and downright scary that western governments can fall prey to this ideology. If the first priority is not to appear racist and all other concerns are secondary, this can only have disastrous consequences.

I dont think it's so much that governments fall for it or like it.

It's just that when it comes to anything extreme from Islamic folks, the gov has to walk that fine line between going after criminals and not doing too much or publicly saying it. Because if they do, what you potentially got is a mob of angry Muslim folks who will protest all day, blow up cars or do some Jihad killing spree.

You can tell authorities walk that fine line.

When a college campus has tons of rowdy students protesting something, you often get the cops arresting or overpowering the students to keep them under control. Why? Not hard to do. It's a bunch of 20 year olds. And half of them are women. Chances of mob mentality fighting the cops is low. 99.9% of the campus kids dont even have weapons on them to fight back.

But if it's a big Muslim protest, I'd bet any dollar the typical groups of cops patrolling does jack shit. They probably just stand there doing nothing. They know they spew hate rhetoric in public, but cant do much about it because they are probably outnumbered 100:1. And if cops try to disperse the crowd or arrest some, they'll get mob attacked, or some ISIS guy from overseas will tell the group to Jihad it and fight back go out with a bang bombing something while killing themselves at the same time.

So everyone knows when it comes to religious nuts and culture wars not every ideology is created equal. Some are more extremist and volatile than others. And cops and gov need acknowledge that.

If mass rapist rings are Indian and Pakistani based (or whichever countries it stems from), police cant really call it out publicly even if the group has a low potential for fighting back. That's because it looks bad in public view as some people will say cops are racist because all the perpetrators seem like Indian guys. So they think police are only going after Indian guys like a racially targeted group.

 

[Bojji]

And by your logic we'd be all dead since they see to want to kill everyone. News flash, most of any race or religion aren't corrupt, psycho loonies. Billions of them being fine.

I think all religions should be banned.

But out of those that exist, only islam was never reformed and it's stuck in 7th century morality.

Islam is by far the most toxic and dangerous religion out there (minus some small cults).

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I think all religions should be banned.

But out of those that exist, only islam was never reformed and it's stuck in 7th century morality.

Islam is by far the most toxic and dangerous religion out there (minus some small cults).

If you google it, there's more Christians than Muslims. Yet how often do you see Christians doing massively dumb shit like their own kind of Jihad moments? Not that often.

There's a decent number of Buddhists too (though much less than Christians and Muslims). But they seem third place in number. How often has anyone seen Buddhists going on major cultural violent sprees?

 

[Davesky]

I live in Glasgow, in the UK. My best friend from college was a victim to this. She had alcohol issues all throughout the first year of knowing her becase of it. By her late 20s had developed severe agoraphobia. If she did manage to get outside with me (before getting really bad) she would become extremely stressed and angry at any man looking at her the wrong way. She was really attractive so this became a constant issue. She would also probably disown me even discussing her in an off hand way like this on a public forum, as it led her to becoming extremely private person and unable to use any form of social media. Not heard from her at all since her mum died, always thinking about her.

She used to talk to me very openly about quite alot of stuff, obviously which I won't be sharing. Admittedly there was a part of me that used to think she was a bit paranoid and past life events causing her to have become racist. I've found out in the years since however that she was absolutely correct, it's well known around the city..

Pakistani men specifically target young white school girls. Never black or asian. They first try to entice them with money, alcohol, drugs, even free food from their establishments. When that doesn't work they move on to harassment and will never take no for an answer. They own all the shops and takeaways in the area and they all know each other. They are constantly driving around at night looking for girls, I've known a few girls that have almost been abducted and dragged into their cars walking home at night. There are certain parts of Glasgow that are complete no go areas. Once they get you alone, usually by someone younger that seems nice and sensitive, and also telling you to bring one of your own friends to make you feel safe, you are both locked in the house, forcibly drunk, raped, then before your aware of it, also raped by several other Pakistani men along with your friend. Once they let you go they threaten you, but also offer you to come back in future and make some "pocket money."

Police do absolutely nothing about it. On one of the occassions I spoke about regarding an attempted abduction with a car, the girl was then charged for punching the driver. The police stopped her when they saw her walking home distressed with blood all over her hand. I have also heard two completely separate accounts from two different girls regarding their time spent in custody but saying the exact same thing.. Thrown in a suicide cell. forcibly stripped against will by an entire group of officers. Having their body deliberatly and sexually touched. Stared up and down from one of the officers for prolonged periods of time. One of the girls was the friend that went on to develop agoraphobia, no wonder when you can no longer trust those that are supposed to be there to protect you.

 

[IDKFA]

I think all religions should be banned.

Fucking hell.

Thankfully we'll never live in such a dystopian world.

 

[Tams]

I'm 100% behind the anger in this thread regarding these rape gangs, and how they've been allowed to operate due to a culture of fear and corruption around their religion and their ethnicity…

…but this is some straight up nasty shit. You sound like the antisemites talking about Jews.

It's one thing to want to tear people to shreds who rape young girls, but Muslims are a vile set of sub human filth? Tarring everyone with the same brush - no matter how fucked up their religion is - is just as fucked up.

I know this forum is (rightly) about leaving people free to speak their minds, but this is way beyond that. Time for me to vacate if this is allowed to stand.

I'm not wishing harm to all Muslims.

But far too often, it has been Muslims doing this, and their communities have done little dispel it. If anything, they come together to defend each other. It's not just in the UK; see the Afghan example in this thread.

The patterns are just too strong to ignore.

Then there's the fact that fundamentally Islam is not compatible with Western liberal democracy.

Christianity went through a long, very bloody, very violent phase to eventually get to the rather benign state it is in now. Islam has never gotten out of that stage.

And you preach tolerance, but you have to be intolerant to intolerance. It's a paradox that you can only get out of by not considering it.

 

[Bojji]

Fucking hell.

Thankfully we'll never live in such a dystopian world.

Maybe it would be dystopian, maybe not but at least one of many things dividing people wouldn't exist. Millions of people died because they believed in different magical being the sky than their attackers.

Those evil bastards that did these things were equipped with religious writings that told them they can and should do things like that to white christian girls. In theory in their minds they did nothing wrong.

Religions can be a force of good but they also can be incredible harmful. Of course not all religions are equal.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I think all religions should be banned.

Maybe it would be dystopian, maybe not but at least one of many things dividing people wouldn't exist. Millions of people died because they beloved in different magical being the sky than their attackers.

Religion gets replaced by new forms of dogma. See the current far left ideologues and communist atrocities the past 120+ years.

 

[kruis]

1) Majority of pakistanis are inbred, couple that with islam, when you import them, you import the absolute worst this planet has to offer

2) these are not "grooming gangs", they are islamic child rape gangs. Let's use accurate language please.

Consanguinity, or marriage between relatives, is a real problem within Pakistani/Bangladeshi communities. It's estimated that between 40 and 60% (!) of Pakistanis in the UK marry relatives. This leads to abnormally high numbers of children born with chromosomal, genetic and congenital anomalies. I think this is also the reason why Pakistani/Bangladeshi have much lower IQ scores compared to whites, blacks and Indians in the UK. The good news is that consanguinity is becoming less popular, the percentage has been dropping, but even 40% is extremely, dangerously high. In a study about consanguinity in Bradford the percentage for white British respondents was less than 0.05%

Cousin marriages cited as significant factor in Bradford child deaths

Fatal genetic conditions more common in children of south Asian heritage in West Yorkshire city, study says

www.theguardian.com

 

[IDKFA]

Maybe it would be dystopian, maybe not but at least one of many things dividing people wouldn't exist. Millions of people died because they beloved in different magical being the sky than their attackers.

Humans would just find something else to divide them. We're a tribal species. It's what we do.

Those evil bastards that did these things were equipped with religious writings that told them they can and should do things like that to white christian girls. In theory in their minds they did nothing wrong.

It's been a while since I've read the Quran, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a passage that states Islamic men can rape white Christian girls.

I can't remember the excat passage, but there is one that states Allah does not forbid his followers from being kind and just to those of a different religion.

Religions can be a force of good but they also can be incredible harmful. Of course not all religions are equal.

This can be said about most things. A vast majority of religious people just want to live in peace and don't want to harm others.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's been a while since I've read the Quran, but I'm pretty sure there isn't a passage that states Islamic men can rape white Christian girls.

I can't remember the excat passage, but there is one that states Allah does not forbid his followers from being kind and just to those of a different religion.

A lot of the extremists go off the Hadith, which grants them to do whatever they want to their spouses and non-believers.

It's called Islamic Taqiyya.... Backstabbing is an integral part of this ideology

It's marketed as a claim to be hidden for fear of safety, but that's when they're a strong minority and that has not been needed for some time. Once they're close to or become the majority, they usher in Sharia.

The Hadith wills it.

 

[near]

If you google it, there's more Christians than Muslims. Yet how often do you see Christians doing massively dumb shit like their own kind of Jihad moments? Not that often.

There's a decent number of Buddhists too (though much less than Christians and Muslims). But they seem third place in number. How often has anyone seen Buddhists going on major cultural violent sprees?

That's because in most cases that receive public attention, the individuals' religious beliefs aren't used to describe them. You'll never read something like "Christian man assassinates Brian Thompson." However, when it's a Pakistani or an Arab, Islam is often cited as the motive, even though these crimes are usually committed by psychologically unstable individuals. This thread serves as a good illustration of how easily people can conflate ethnicity and religion when there's a significant difference between them. For some, it's simply another way to express hatred towards Islam, while for others, it's simply a matter of ignorance.

 

[IDKFA]

A lot of the extremists go off the Hadith, which grants them to do whatever they want to their spouses and non-believers.

It's called Islamic Taqiyya.... Backstabbing is an integral part of this ideology

It's marketed as a claim to be hidden for fear of safety, but that's when they're a strong minority and that has not been needed for some time. Once they're close to or become the majority, they usher in Sharia.

The Hadith wills it.

I'm pretty sure there are not any Hadiths that say Musilms can rape young girls. I'm also sure that they don't give Musilms the all clear to treat non-musilms however they want.

However, I would agree that extremists use religion as an excuse to justify their vile crimes.

Anyway, rather than debating religion, the real topic should be trying to push for a national enquiry and punishing those who moved mountains to cover this shit up. The poor girls who were victims need proper justice and we need to ensure something like this never happens again. I think thats something we can all agree with.

 

[EerieArcade]

I'm pretty sure there are not any Hadiths that say Musilms can rape young girls. I'm also sure that they don't give Musilms the all clear to treat non-musilms however they want.

However, I would agree that extremists use religion as an excuse to justify their vile crimes.

Anyway, rather than debating religion, the real topic should be trying to push for a national enquiry and punishing those who moved mountains to cover this shit up. The poor girls who were victims need proper justice and we need to ensure something like this never happens again. I think thats something we can all agree with.

Yep, definitely.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm pretty sure there are not any Hadiths that say Musilms can rape young girls. I'm also sure that they don't give Musilms the all clear to treat non-musilms however they want.

There are passages in that say the non-believers are lower than dogs. We know how the dogs are treated.

There are also passages that say a killing of them is also not a sin. While you're not going to see exact wording, that would be pedantic, extremes will use the "get out of jail free" card mentality to commit atrocities they see fit to non-believers, especially to whites. Been a thing since the Ottoman Empire.

Anyway, rather than debating religion, the real topic should be trying to push for a national enquiry and punishing those who moved mountains to cover this shit up. The poor girls who were victims need proper justice and we need to ensure something like this never happens again. I think thats something we can all agree with.

Absolutely.

 

[Bojji]

I'm pretty sure there are not any Hadiths that say Musilms can rape young girls. I'm also sure that they don't give Musilms the all clear to treat non-musilms however they want.

However, I would agree that extremists use religion as an excuse to justify their vile crimes.

Anyway, rather than debating religion, the real topic should be trying to push for a national enquiry and punishing those who moved mountains to cover this shit up. The poor girls who were victims need proper justice and we need to ensure something like this never happens again. I think thats something we can all agree with.

Unlike majority of Christians and Jews in the west Muslims are actually serious about their religion (like Christians were few hundred years ago), so what is written in ancient texts is super important to them. Of course they are full of contradictions so they choose parts that says they can do X and it's the right thing to do, while completely ignore part that says something else about X.
Islam needs reformation and centralization of power and decision making - l doubt it will ever happen. Muslims are fighting between themselves for centuries.

And of course you are right, the most important thing right not is to punish those responsible. But will it ever happen?

 

[Ulysses 31]

Islam needs reformation and centralization of power and decision making - l doubt it will ever happen. Muslims are fighting between themselves for centuries.

It can't happen: the Qur'an states that the religion has been perfected and any change/innovation (Bid'ah) would be seen as heresy.

 

[kruis]

It can't happen: the Qur'an states that the religion has been perfected and any change/innovation (Bid'ah) would be seen as heresy.

The Koran is the literal word of Allah according to believers. They believe not a single letter has changed since Mohammed wrote the words down that were spoken to him.This is completely different from the tradition of the Bible where different interpretations can exist since all Bible books were written by humans. Muslims point to this as proof that Judaism and Christianity are false religions and Islam is flawless.

That's why it is impossible to reform Islam. You can't argue against the literal word of Allah, whoever reforms Islam is not a real muslim anymore.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm not wishing harm to all Muslims.

But far too often, it has been Muslims doing this, and their communities have done little dispel it. If anything, they come together to defend each other. It's not just in the UK; see the Afghan example in this thread.

The patterns are just too strong to ignore.

Then there's the fact that fundamentally Islam is not compatible with Western liberal democracy.

Christianity went through a long, very bloody, very violent phase to eventually get to the rather benign state it is in now. Islam has never gotten out of that stage.

And you preach tolerance, but you have to be intolerant to intolerance. It's a paradox that you can only get out of by not considering it.

As stated, I am 100% behind a push to crack down on intolerant religious practises. No religion should be given a pass for its bigoted, hateful views, ideologies and attitudes. It's disgraceful how those girls have been let down, and horrific that those responsible haven't been brought to justice.

But... I draw the fucking line at some numb cunt calling an entire group of people a horrible, vile set of sub-human filth. And if that nasty shit isn't deleted from here, I'll be gone.

 

[jason10mm]

I find it interesting that there isn't more of an outcry about this coming from WOMEN in the OB/GYN and pediatrics fields, as they must be seeing THOUSANDS of pregnant girls due to this. Maybe abortion is more commonplace and accepted aross the pond but JFC if its true a quarter MILLION girls were gang raped seems like there would be thousands upon thousands of pregnancies from it with lots of irrefutable DNA evidence in the forms of lots of mixed race kids filling schools. They all scrupulous about condom use?

 

[FunkMiller]

Religions can be a force of good but they also can be incredible harmful. Of course not all religions are equal.

They are in the eyes of the law. One religion cannot be discriminated against, while leaving others alone. That could open governments up to a great deal of grief and legal problems. You're never going to get a crackdown on Islam anywhere, because by legal requirement, you'd also have to crack down on the power and reach of other religions, most notably Christianity. Can't see that happening any time soon - much as I'd like that as an atheist who believes the church should be nowhere near government in any capacity.

 

[EerieArcade]

As stated, I am 100% behind a push to crack down on intolerant religious practises. No religion should be given a pass for its bigoted, hateful views, ideologies and attitudes. It's disgraceful how those girls have been let down, and horrific that those responsible haven't been brought to justice.

But... I draw the fucking line at some numb cunt calling an entire group of people a horrible, vile set of sub-human filth. And if that nasty shit isn't deleted from here, I'll be gone.

Okay for you to call me all that though, eh?

 

[EviLore]

What's so hard about enforcing the law, Europe?

 

[FunkMiller]

Okay for you to call me all that though, eh?

I think so, yes. Anyone who describes any group of people with the blanket description of 'vile set of sub-human filth' is probably deserving of that descriptor, don't you think?

 

[purvispisgah]

I will note that there are many, many people that have tried to discuss these sorts of systematic crimes against white women and girls on platforms such as YouTube and Twitter, for probably close to a decade. They are consistently shadowbanned, if not outright banned, shunned, called names, and worse.

It's always the same people calling to maintain ignorance of crimes against white women and girls. It makes me sick.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

I find it interesting that there isn't more of an outcry about this coming from WOMEN in the OB/GYN and pediatrics fields, as they must be seeing THOUSANDS of pregnant girls due to this. Maybe abortion is more commonplace and accepted aross the pond but JFC if its true a quarter MILLION girls were gang raped seems like there would be thousands upon thousands of pregnancies from it with lots of irrefutable DNA evidence in the forms of lots of mixed race kids filling schools. They all scrupulous about condom use?

Short answer, yes.

Read the Weir report from 2001 if you want your blood pressure to be fucked for the next 48 hours.

'According to Weir, she encountered "poor professional practice from an early stage" from the council and police; child protection issues were, in her view, "disregarded, dismissed or minimized".

 

[FunkMiller]

Hitchens' death was a huge loss to the UK's social debate.