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[Kataploom]

I don't give a shit about Uncharted 4, which btw doesn't have anywhere near as good melee combat animations. This is an objective fact. 007 is basically a Yakuza game with it melee combat, except with higher production values and context sensitive environment interaction. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Both of those guys said the game has PS3 animations, that aren't acceptable in 2026, and they're both completely fucking wrong.

You just sold me on this game

 

[Vick]

Uncharted games are corridors with barely anything going on

Not Uncharted 4, or Lost Legacy.

Both have open world levels offering a lot of freedom.

That's just nonsense.

Yeah. If there's one thing that's undeniable this gen is the improvement granted by real time lighting solutions.
007 isn't even noisy-looking.

 

[The artful mincer]

God this is why Graphics comparison threads are utterly retarded on this forum.

You guys just pick and choose what is important based on vibes or time of the month.

I was under impression that the complete package was important not zooming in on single screenshots or individual features. Hence why alot of people felt RDR2 was overall the best looking game last gen because of all it's features at the scale it delivered.

Side by Side in screenshots other games like the Last of Us 2 looked significantly better but people understood the bigger picture.

Well apparently not anymore! First Light is obviously the overall better looking game. As it should be it's built on hardware with 5 times more power 10 years later . Yes Uncharted 4 does some things better and you can cherry pick screenshots to build a case.

But in motion is what counts and side by side the party scene looks significantly better in First Light.

Here's a bunch of features First Light does better or are just missing from Uncharted 4.

Bigger Levels
Way way way more Npcs
More level destruction
More interactive levels
More Physics
More NPC variety
Better lighting
Better hand to hand combat animation
More asset variety
Better collision with the environment (Remember that bullshit of Ellie get thrown across the table in the last of us 2 demo? You can do that and way more in First Light)
Better explosion and smoke effects

Not even John's prattling on about time and budget makes sense as Uncharted 4 was made in 3 years when Naughty dog was much smaller

Having said all that the boat section in First Light looks a bit shit.

 

[Hudo]

God this is why Graphics comparison threads are utterly retarded on this forum.

You guys just pick and choose what is important based on vibes or time of the month.

I was under impression that the complete package was important not zooming in on single screenshots or individual features. Hence why alot of people felt RDR2 was overall the best looking game last gen because of all it's features at the scale it delivered.

Side by Side in screenshots other games like the Last of Us 2 looked significantly better but people understood the bigger picture.

Well apparently not anymore! First Light is obviously the overall better looking game. As it should be it's built on hardware with 5 times more power 10 years later . Yes Uncharted 4 does some things better and you can cherry pick screenshots to build a case.

But in motion is what counts and side by side the party scene looks significantly better in First Light.

Here's a bunch of features First Light does better or are just missing from Uncharted 4.

Bigger Levels
Way way way more Npcs
More level destruction
More interactive levels
More Physics
More NPC variety
Better lighting
Better hand to hand combat animation
More asset variety
Better collision with the environment (Remember that bullshit of Ellie get thrown across the table in the last of us 2 demo? You can do that and way more in First Light)
Better explosion and smoke effects

Not even John's prattling on about time and budget makes sense as Uncharted 4 was made in 3 years when Naughty dog was much smaller

Having said all that the boat section in First Light looks a bit shit.

To be fair, the DF video also bases a lot of their conclusions on vibes.

 

[viveks86]

That image in particular is like someone just waking up and eyes are still adjusting to the light.

The game uses blooming extensively as part of their artstyle. It's a feature, not a bug. Given how the rugs are not affected, it may even be baked into the environment light maps. Hopefully PT gets rid of the lightmaps so we get legit direct lighting that's consistent across the floorboards AND rugs.

But in all likelihood, it's going to bloom even more!

 

[FalconPunch]

God this is why Graphics comparison threads are utterly retarded on this forum.

You guys just pick and choose what is important based on vibes or time of the month.

I was under impression that the complete package was important not zooming in on single screenshots or individual features. Hence why alot of people felt RDR2 was overall the best looking game last gen because of all it's features at the scale it delivered.

Side by Side in screenshots other games like the Last of Us 2 looked significantly better but people understood the bigger picture.

Well apparently not anymore! First Light is obviously the overall better looking game. As it should be it's built on hardware with 5 times more power 10 years later . Yes Uncharted 4 does some things better and you can cherry pick screenshots to build a case.

But in motion is what counts and side by side the party scene looks significantly better in First Light.

Here's a bunch of features First Light does better or are just missing from Uncharted 4.

Bigger Levels
Way way way more Npcs
More level destruction
More interactive levels
More Physics
More NPC variety
Better lighting
Better hand to hand combat animation
More asset variety
Better collision with the environment (Remember that bullshit of Ellie get thrown across the table in the last of us 2 demo? You can do that and way more in First Light)
Better explosion and smoke effects

Not even John's prattling on about time and budget makes sense as Uncharted 4 was made in 3 years when Naughty dog was much smaller

Having said all that the boat section in First Light looks a bit shit.

First light does that on a machine 6 time more powerful than the ps4 which uncharted released on. Even then, uncharted had decent NPC density. Secondly the bold is either debatable or a flat out lie.

Uncharted has better:

• Animations
• Better combat animations
• Better contextual animations
• Better animation blending
• Similar levels of destruction(see the market levels, etc)
• Asset variety is not drastically different
• Better textures while using half the ram
• Better gun play and combat scenarios
• Better driving mechanics
• Better driving physics
• Better boat physics

First light is a disappointing technical effort for a 2026 game. It should not trail a 10 year old game in any categories. Especially when that game is runs on a system using 6x weaker gpu, half the ram, 1/4 the cpu.

Is first light even a significant step up from the Hitman games? Not at all.

 

[Vick]

I was under impression that the complete package was important not zooming in on single screenshots or individual features.

And people are judging the complete package. This isn't a zoom, you can see how crude the presentation is and that's something that wouldn't happen in Uncharted 4, not on such a large scale.

Uncharted 4 has a much more sophistacated presentation, many more layers of HDR and post-processing, and (baked) bounce light as well.

Hell, I'd say Uncharted 3 had better fake bounce that the 007 example above:

Spoiler

First Light has some seriously impressive volumetric smoke, but you're underselling Uncharted 4 explosions.

And there's no reason to get so worked up throwing "retarded" around. It's not an unreasonable comparison afterall, and the fact John and the majority on GAF consider Uncharted 4 the most impressive game is very telling.

 

[Bojji]

First light does that on a machine 6 time more powerful than the ps4 which uncharted released on. Even then, uncharted had decent NPC density. Secondly the bold is either debatable or a flat out lie.

Uncharted has better:

• Animations
• Better combat animations
• Better contextual animations
• Better animation blending
• Similar levels of destruction(see the market levels, etc)
• Asset variety is not drastically different
• Better textures while using half the ram
• Better gun play and combat scenarios
• Better driving mechanics
• Better driving physics
• Better boat physics

First light is a disappointing technical effort for a 2026 game. It should not trail a 10 year old game in any categories. Especially when that game is runs on a system using 6x weaker gpu, half the ram, 1/4 the cpu.

Is first light even a significant step up from the Hitman games? Not at all.

I think uncharted destruction is only limited to the market level (and maybe some other place?). I remember watching trailer from that level and thinking "holy shit, this level of destruction on a Jaguar?!" and then full game released and that destruction was pretty much nowhere else.

 

[FalconPunch]

I think uncharted destruction is only limited to the market level (and maybe some other place?). I remember watching trailer from that level and thinking "holy shit, this level of destruction on a Jaguar?!" and then full game released and that destruction was pretty much nowhere else.

There are other places with destruction, for example when you're getting pulled across the bridge. You end up going through some logs and then it leads to a scene where you're hopping between jeeps.

There's also destruction when the shootout starts at the auction. My point is, I cannot even begin to consider First Light as being impressive if it barely looks better and in some categories worse than a 10 year old game.

People can highlight the software rt in First light and the lighting being baked in Uncharted. However, when I look at what each team accomplished with the hardware they had, it's clear that the IO interactive team really underperformed. However, that's not surprising. The best devs from that era have been retiring and that's why this gen, we've seen very little graphically impressive games on console while having hardware that is 6x more powerful.

 

[Vick]

I think uncharted destruction is only limited to the market level (and maybe some other place?). I remember watching trailer from that level and thinking "holy shit, this level of destruction on a Jaguar?!" and then full game released and that destruction was pretty much nowhere else.

That level of destruction is usually reserved for big shootouts. The auction one was imo more impressive than the marketplace.
For quieter levels they usually gave priority to baked lighting, which isn't very compatibile with destruction.
But even in those quieter moments, like Libertalia for instance, there's some impressive amount of assets interactivity/pshysics.

 

[Oublieux]

They're both good. I give Uncharted 4 the edge in the animation department, but 007 is not PS2 / PS3 level like some of the folks are saying… that's absolutely not the case. It's still a tangible jump from how Hitman was animated, and I applaud IOI for that.

The combat, however, is conceptually a copy of and modernized version of Sleeping Dogs. I'm surprised that comparison hasn't been made more often from what I've seen and read.