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[RavageX]

I feel that if you pay for insurance, you should simply be covered and that's that. You shouldn't have to worry about anything at that point, otherwise what IS the point of insurance?

It is unfortunate that someone was killed like this, and I am surprised we don't see this kinda thing happen more often.

I do feel that things need to change, because a lot of how things work in the USA shouldn't be the way the are. You should not have to worry about healthcare if you pay, you shouldn't have to worry about the wrong folks being in positions of power simply because they have money and bought their way through. A lot of things are wrong, yet people are fine with simply talking about them and going back to watching tiktok.

 

[Rush2112]

Why is it that every rich person who dies, for whatever reason, the media wants everyone to be sad? Why would I care that some CEO got shot while I see local news reporting average people in my neighborhood getting shot and killed daily? No one seems to care about that> No one expects us to be sad about that.

 

[Pagusas]

Why is it that every rich person who dies, for whatever reason, the media wants everyone to be sad? Why would I care that some CEO got shot while I see local news reporting average people in my neighborhood getting shot and killed daily? No one seems to care about that> No one expects us to be sad about that.

I dont know what neighborhood you live in, but if someone in mine died, we'd be sad and that would be expected. Someone killed themselves here a few months ago and the local news reports were all sad and empathetic towards the family..

 

[StreetsofBeige]

C’mon man, this dudes salary is $9million while the nation is suffering under astronomical inflation living pay check to pay check while denying life saving treatments.

It’s all greed, you push the people to the breaking point, this is the end result. I’m sorry, not trying to come off as insensitive but you reap what you sow.

And in my opinion, it needs to burn to the ground and someone needs to hit the reset button.
His motive most likely is being sick tired of the bull shit.

To me as long as the company is not denying coverage they stated to cover, they are good in my books. Nobody knows to what extent companies purposely gimp coverage though it's stated in the policy it should be good.

Technically, people dont even have to buy insurance at all pending which country someone lives, and there's always a difference between auto, home and medical coverage. If some people dont like insurance, then dont pay and hope nothing goes wrong. A person or family can save big money assuming nothing bad happens needing coverage.

It can also be argued customers are greedy too. If the policy says it covers $100,000 of hospital bills and the US hospital (of course it's always a US issue) charges $150,000, then a claim should be denied for the full amount. $100,000 is valid, but the person is on the hook for the remaining $50,000. Read the policy and pick one that works. Thats life and how insurance works. You buy for a price a certain amount of coverage. You can go lean and pay cheap, go lots and pay a lot, or try to wing it with none and pray you never need coverage.

 

[Artoris]

To me as long as the company is not denying coverage they stated to cover, they are good in my books. Nobody knows to what extent companies purposely gimp coverage though it's stated in the policy it should be good.

Technically, people dont even have to buy insurance at all pending which country someone lives, and there's always a difference between auto, home and medical coverage. If some people dont like insurance, then dont pay and hope nothing goes wrong. A person or family can save big money assuming nothing bad happens needing coverage.

It can also be argued customers are greedy too. If the policy says it covers $100,000 of hospital bills and the US hospital (of course it's always a US issue) charges $150,000, then a claim should be denied for the full amount. $100,000 is valid, but the person is on the hook for the remaining $50,000. Read the policy and pick one that works. Thats life and how insurance works. You buy for a price a certain amount of coverage. You can go lean and pay cheap, go lots and pay a lot, or try to wing it with none and pray you never need coverage.

what happens in us if you cant pay the fee and have no insurance

 

[jason10mm]

To me as long as the company is not denying coverage they stated to cover, they are good in my books. Nobody knows to what extent companies purposely gimp coverage though it's stated in the policy it should be good.

Technically, people dont even have to buy insurance at all pending which country someone lives, and there's always a difference between auto, home and medical coverage. If some people dont like insurance, then dont pay and hope nothing goes wrong. A person or family can save big money assuming nothing bad happens needing coverage.

It can also be argued customers are greedy too. If the policy says it covers $100,000 of hospital bills and the US hospital (of course it's always a US issue) charges $150,000, then a claim should be denied for the full amount. $100,000 is valid, but the person is on the hook for the remaining $50,000. Read the policy and pick one that works. Thats life and how insurance works. You buy for a price a certain amount of coverage. You can go lean and pay cheap, go lots and pay a lot, or try to wing it with none and pray you never need coverage.

The problem there is virtually no doc or hospital can actually quote you a price for something so you can properly shop around, versus say a car. Need your gallbladder out? GOOD LUCK getting quotes from the three hospitals n your area so you can make an informed choice. In the US you are basically hostage to the insurance/hospital "Agreement". The full "cash charge" is always waaaay more than insurance covers. Hospitals also have to cover folks they KNOW won't/can't pay, so they pass that on to the insured.

Health insurance kinda worked when the max amount as fairly low because most everyone died pretty quickly. But now it can cost hundreds of thousands for cancer treatments, intensive care, neonatal care, etc, there is really no way to support that kinda stuff without either massive government involvement or grifter levels of soaking those that can pay while the rest go to collections.

 

[EviLore]

The problem there is virtually no doc or hospital can actually quote you a price for something so you can properly shop around, versus say a car. Need your gallbladder out? GOOD LUCK getting quotes from the three hospitals n your area so you can make an informed choice. In the US you are basically hostage to the insurance/hospital "Agreement". The full "cash charge" is always waaaay more than insurance covers. Hospitals also have to cover folks they KNOW won't/can't pay, so they pass that on to the insured.

Health insurance kinda worked when the max amount as fairly low because most everyone died pretty quickly. But now it can cost hundreds of thousands for cancer treatments, intensive care, neonatal care, etc, there is really no way to support that kinda stuff without either massive government involvement or grifter levels of soaking those that can pay while the rest go to collections.

Yes. It's a scam and desperately needs sweeping reforms.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I mean I take back my original post. Heat of the moment and all that but I truly think healthcare in this country is due for an overhaul because it's insane. Japan has a model I think the world could learn from, being that public and private options are available but you choose but when the government option is so damn good it makes what private options there are ravage each other for competition.

Just about every western country has some form of universal healthcare to different degrees. Even poor countries have it too. I think even Cuba has coverage.

The reason why the US doesn't have it is because the country/state/cities dont get enough tax revenue to fund the pot because in general taxes in the US are low. Income tax, state taxing buying stuff, taxes on sin products like booze, smokes, gas etc..... are going to be low compared to other places.

So what people gain in pocketing money for a rainy day, the avg US person probably blows it all buying shit so they end up on credit card debt.

The US is also a shit storm of community services needed, prisons, cops, military etc.... which all saps money from the pot too.

On paper, the US gov or people should have enough money to cover healthcare on their own, but the money gets eaten up.

 

[jason10mm]

what happens in us if you cant pay the fee and have no insurance

goes to collections. Or you agree to a long term repayment, The more assets you have the harder they can squeeze (of course if you have assets you should have insurance). Or you get thrown to medicare/mediaid and the taxpayer pays.

 

[jason10mm]

Just about every western country has some form of universal healthcare to different degrees. Even poor countries have it too. I think even Cuba has coverage.

The reason why the US doesn't have it is because the country/state/cities dont get enough tax revenue to fund the pot because in general taxes in the US are low. Income tax, state taxing buying stuff, taxes on sin products like booze, smokes, gas etc..... are going to be low compared to other places.

So what people in gain in pocketing money for a rainy day, the avg US person probably blows it all buying shit so they end up on credit card debt.

The US is also a shit storm of community services needed, prisons, cops, military etc.... which all saps money from the pot too.

On paper, the US gov or people should have enough money to cover healthcare on their own, but the money gets eaten up.

We DO have a type of universal health care in the US, its medicare/medicaid. BUUUUUUT we also have a massive surplus of very high level health care here as well, just drive aorund and see how many "Urgent CAre Centers" cover cities. Big cancer centers, high level surgery. A TON of advanced health care really only exists in the US. Though other countries can take the technology and skills, strip away all the oversight, quality control, regulations, etc and do it on the cheap elsewhere.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Maybe subsonic ammo? Not enough power to cycle it.

Edit: Someone mentioned on Tw@tter that he is collecting the brass casings.

This doesn’t make sense. The casing is ejected the moment the shot is fired. It’s almost instantaneous.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The problem there is virtually no doc or hospital can actually quote you a price for something so you can properly shop around, versus say a car. Need your gallbladder out? GOOD LUCK getting quotes from the three hospitals n your area so you can make an informed choice. In the US you are basically hostage to the insurance/hospital "Agreement". The full "cash charge" is always waaaay more than insurance covers. Hospitals also have to cover folks they KNOW won't/can't pay, so they pass that on to the insured.

Health insurance kinda worked when the max amount as fairly low because most everyone died pretty quickly. But now it can cost hundreds of thousands for cancer treatments, intensive care, neonatal care, etc, there is really no way to support that kinda stuff without either massive government involvement or grifter levels of soaking those that can pay while the rest go to collections.

Maybe hospitals are different, but at dentists if you pay cash it can be cheaper than the insurance paying their book value fee guide.

I did that myself as a student when I wasnt employed yet. Literally went to the nearest dental office and asked how much is cash payment for cleanings and xrays. $88 cash. Got a job, showed them my benefits card, they did their charges (which cost me $0), but the bill suddenly said a cleaning was $200 alone and whatever are xray fees on top of that.

Maybe to streamline it for understanding and fees, hospitals and insurance companies have to do some kind of industry fee guide like Ontario dental industry.

Fees & Charges

www.rcdso.org

 

[FunkMiller]

Bad CEOs should end up in court being judged by a jury of their peers, not being shot on the street.

Criticising the healthcare and judicial system in America is correct, being okay with an unarmed dude being gunned down is clearly not.

 

[Lord Panda]

How we feeling about this?? Cause I really wanna cheer this on, I want CEO’s shaking in their boots to include board members….. just saying

Okay, and also all the shareholders?

Anyway, as someone else pointed out usually the fallout from shit like this impacts the everyday person the most.

 

[jason10mm]

This doesn’t make sense. The casing is ejected the moment the shot is fired. It’s almost instantaneous.

The pistol wasn't cycling with each shot enough to eject the spent case and load a new one. He was manually cycling the slide for each shot, whether he was palming all the brass is unclear to me on the low res vid I saw. So he was either using lower pressure ammo (sometimes made to not break the sound barrier and cause a louder "crack") or his suppressor interfered with the normal operation of his pistol in some fashion.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Amazing that some of you have already sussed out the motive despite not even having an ID on the shooter!

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I mean I take back my original post. Heat of the moment and all that but I truly think healthcare in this country is due for an overhaul because it's insane. Japan has a model I think the world could learn from, being that public and private options are available but you choose but when the government option is so damn good it makes what private options there are ravage each other for competition.

Having used plenty of UK and Japanese healthcare (different models) and also having an ex who was American and knowing her experience with US healthcare, semi-socialised healthcare that the former 2 have is preferable from my experience. France and other countries also have a combo of part insurance and part socialised hybrid systems which seem very reasonable from a quick assessment.

In general though I think the satisfaction people have with their own health system since COVID has declined in a lot of countries. Backlogs galore etc..

 

[StreetsofBeige]

We DO have a type of universal health care in the US, its medicare/medicaid. BUUUUUUT we also have a massive surplus of very high level health care here as well, just drive aorund and see how many "Urgent CAre Centers" cover cities. Big cancer centers, high level surgery. A TON of advanced health care really only exists in the US. Though other countries can take the technology and skills, strip away all the oversight, quality control, regulations, etc and do it on the cheap elsewhere.

How does US medicare/medicaid work?

If I'm on it and I break my leg or get cancer is that covered? Is this stuff a fallback plan if private insurance isnt enough?

Just trying to gauge where those stories come from where a family says they are broke due to medical bills. Does Medicare/medicaid have a limit what and how much they cover?

 

[tommib]

Remember to murder someone when you feel upset, comrades. That will lead to meaningful change in society. Rise up!

No one was thinking about anyone’s children during the French Revolution.

 

[Mr1999]

If the motive turns out to be what it seems, I still feel like killing him was wrong. Still, Im sure many won’t feel sorry for him. We live in a jungle and sometimes business minded people lose perspective and end up treating everything like a numbers game. This happens all the time, everywhere. If he hadn't been a healthcare CEO, it could have been any other CEO, and people would likely still remain indifferent. We need to care for one another, I know its hard putting yourself in other peoples shoes but society needs to start doing that, otherwise it's just going to get worse. It's definitely a wake up call.

 

[EviLore]

No one was thinking about anyone’s children during the French Revolution.

A bunch of self-righteous psychopaths who had each other killed during a period of mass paranoid hysteria, yes.

 

[Kacho]

No one was thinking about anyone’s children during the French Revolution.

I'm not surprised you're down with this

 

[LordCBH]

You know what? Not gonna feel sorry when misery is visited upon those who profit off of misery.

Side note:
ABCBS is upping the misery factor on their subscribers to squeeze even more money for themselves.

https://www.asahq.org/about-asa/newsroom/news-releases/2024/11/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-will-not-pay-complete-duration-of-anesthesia-for-surgical-procedures

 

[Kacho]

Lots of "those jews had it coming on Oct 7" energy in here

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Not unrelated:

While there is certainly no shortage of possible suspects in terms of ordering a hit on the CEO of America's most notorious for-profit healthcare company, there's a very interesting angle on UHC in particular.

Some of you may remember a ransomware attack on UHC earlier this year, and the massive outage of all American pharmacy systems caused by it. If you followed this particular incident, the attack was carried out by one of the small ransomware groups who are customers of Blackcat/ALPHV, a notorious Russian ransomware gang who ran their attack network as SaaS. Blackcat/ALPHV would provide their software and tools to another gang who would actually conduct the attack, and they would split the ransom after it was paid. Well, UHC infamously paid the ransom to Blackcat/ALPHV, who promptly absconded with the full payment and vanished, leaving the other gang with all the data they stole but no payment. The other gang promptly threatened UHC and demanded they pay them a ransom too, or the stolen data would be released. With no options left to them, UHC then paid a second ransom. This makes UHC one of the few hapless corporations who have been forced to pay multiple ransoms for the same attack.

Anyways, the behind the scenes "no honor among thieves" in the ransomware industry might be interesting to note here. While UHC certainly has no shortage of enemies in America, an actual professional hit on a CEO is more like something the Russians would do to someone they don't like very much.

 

[E-Cat]

I mean I take back my original post. Heat of the moment and all that but I truly think healthcare in this country is due for an overhaul because it's insane. Japan has a model I think the world could learn from, being that public and private options are available but you choose but when the government option is so damn good it makes what private options there are ravage each other for competition.

Well, you people just fucked yourself because Trump ain’t gonna fix it

 

[MaestroMike]

RIP try that on bill gates or Elon and see what happens

 

[12Goblins]

Spoiler

I bet it's some weird family shit

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

The pistol wasn't cycling with each shot enough to eject the spent case and load a new one. He was manually cycling the slide for each shot, whether he was palming all the brass is unclear to me on the low res vid I saw. So he was either using lower pressure ammo (sometimes made to not break the sound barrier and cause a louder "crack") or his suppressor interfered with the normal operation of his pistol in some fashion.

Ah, I can’t find the video so haven’t seen it yet. That makes sense. Suppressors cause that issue fairly often.

 

[The Sum of Zero]

I wonder if their insurance covers gunshot wounds.

 

[EviLore]

 

[jason10mm]

How does US medicare/medicaid work?

If I'm on it and I break my leg or get cancer is that covered? Is this stuff a fallback plan if private insurance isnt enough?

Just trying to gauge where those stories come from where a family says they are broke due to medical bills. Does Medicare/medicaid have a limit what and how much they cover?

I'm not an expert because I don't use it but in a nutshell one of them is for older retired folk and the other is for low income/poor. But like anything in the US you gotta qualify and there is red tape. But in general those coverage plans set the floor for reimbursement. My mom, for example, is on medicare and she was able to get her cataracts done and some knee work without having to pay much, if anything. But she lives on social security.

The stories of folks going into debt over medical expenses are usually un-insured/under-insured self-employed folk or unemployed since most insurance plans are heavily subsidized by the employer. Just buying a plan all on your own is pretty expensive.

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

Seems like an odd target, unless the organizer was him. Perhaps he was ready to get off the ride to the benefit of his family or to protect them from other lawsuits.

 

[kruis]

Hmmm…

DOJ launched probe into UnitedHealth for insider trading and attempted to stop monopoly

Multiple executives at UnitedHealthcare were under investigation by the Department of Justice for insider trading and fraud when CEO Brian Thompson was shot and killed Wednesday.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[EviLore]

(Not an endorsement, can’t help but post Dark Souls memes)

 

[SlimySnake]

I saw that Tweet and chuckled but then Elon's amazing algorithm immediately filled my feed with more and more nonsense, and now ive lost all faith in humanity.

I get that the guy ran an unethical insurance company, but to see people in the comments openly celebrate this dude's murder is just odd to see. Maybe im too old for twitter.

 

[Kacho]

but to see people in the comments openly celebrate this dude's murder is just odd to see. Maybe im too old for twitter.

The same thing happened after the terror attack last year. My feed was full of dumbasses saying dumb shit. The internet gonna internet.

 

[Haint]

Bad CEOs should end up in court being judged by a jury of their peers, not being shot on the street.

Criticising the healthcare and judicial system in America is correct, being okay with an unarmed dude being gunned down is clearly not.

A) How you gonna take someone/something to court who very likely hasn't done anything that was technically "illegal", and B) How is someone too poor to afford medical procedures even going to pretend to sue a more than HALF TRILLION dollar company, or it's multi-centi-millionaire executives?

 

[SlimySnake]

Bad CEOs should end up in court being judged by a jury of their peers, not being shot on the street.

Criticising the healthcare and judicial system in America is correct, being okay with an unarmed dude being gunned down is clearly not.

This. We are living in a society lol

I do hope this doesnt start a war against billionares who spend lavishly on $500 million yachts while the rest of us struggle to pay for inflated price of groceries. I remember reading about how the Kroger CEO admitted they inflated the price of eggs and milk even though there was no shortage and the inflation didnt impact those 'essential goods' as he called them. But people kept paying higher prices so they kept them inflated. How you can openly admit that and not go to jail is beyond me.

If they ever catch the motherfucker, i wouldnt be surprised if twitter makes him into a martyr. And if that happens who knows who gets hit next. Fucking idiots already tried to assassinate the president of the united states twice. This will embolden them to hit the bezos, elons and zuckerbergs. Hope Elon sees the writing on the wall and moderates the fucking discussion on his platform.

 

[FunkMiller]

A) How you gonna take someone/something to court who very likely hasn't done anything that was technically "illegal", and B) How is someone too poor to afford medical procedures even going to pretend to sue a more than HALF TRILLION dollar company, or it's multi-centi-millionaire executives?

Ah well, that’s a conversation about your terrible medical care system, not about the justifications of shooting a dude.

 

[FunkMiller]

This. We are living in a society lol

I do hope this doesnt start a war against billionares who spend lavishly on $500 million yachts while the rest of us struggle to pay for inflated price of groceries. I remember reading about how the Kroger CEO admitted they inflated the price of eggs and milk even though there was no shortage and the inflation didnt impact those 'essential goods' as he called them. But people kept paying higher prices so they kept them inflated. How you can openly admit that and not go to jail is beyond me.

If they ever catch the motherfucker, i wouldnt be surprised if twitter makes him into a martyr. And if that happens who knows who gets hit next. Fucking idiots already tried to assassinate the president of the united states twice. This will embolden them to hit the bezos, elons and zuckerbergs. Hope Elon sees the writing on the wall and moderates the fucking discussion on his platform.

100%. Create a certain culture the way America has, and this is what the result is. You’d like to think incidents like this would lead to more moderate, calmer discourse and behaviour. Not holding my breath on that one, though.

 

[kevboard]

dude said:

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Like a lot of people, my first thought on hearing the news was that this has to be based on a policy holder being denied treatment.

Seeing further reports that the victim had been threatened over healthcare coverage, the significantly above average refusals of his firm to pay out, and the use of faulty ai to make judgements on claims seems to be cementing the idea.

While I do not celebrate children losing a father, you might ask how many children lose a parent owing to a denial of healthcare, and how many of those parents thought erroneously their insurance would cover them for the condition that would kill them.

There are lawsuits in progress against the victim's company that have been brought about by the estates of deceased clients who had been denied care. If those cases are won by the families of the dead and the denied treatment could have saved lives, you might wonder what comeuppance the CEO at the head of an organisation that you might argue killed people by denying them care should receive. A reduction in their annual bonus or something more punitive?

Some people might prefer to be shot dead in the street and not see it coming to slowly succumbing to an illness that gradually erodes quality of life before eventual death.

 

[Zelduh]

He's a hero IMO

 

[EverydayBeast]

Not shocking as USA still hasn’t figured out a healthcare system but killing someone wont fix it.

 

[GulfCoastZilla]

How we feeling about this?? Cause I really wanna cheer this on, I want CEO’s shaking in their boots to include board members….. just saying

feeling like we probably can’t discuss politics here because of the potential of posts like this.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

Shut the fuck up moron. Two kids lost their father.

Ironic, given how many people undoubtedly lose their family to American "healthcare".

 

[Kacho]

Ironic, given how many people undoubtedly lose their family to American "healthcare".

Doesn't justify murder or cheering it

 

[Zelduh]

Doesn't justify murder or cheering it

Yeah Osama Bin Laden shouldn't have been murdered either right? Can't justify killing someone who is continuously killing people...

 

[Jinxed]

Cheering about someone getting killed... cringe

Also can't judge the person who did this even though I don't agree with cold blood murder obviously. I have no idea how I'd react if one of my kids would die or get seriously ill after some denied claims, It's not black and white