Why have they been careful not to mention where he's going all season then? It would be a surprise to 95% of the non-book readers thread judging by what they've been saying.
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Why have they been careful not to mention where he's going all season then? It would be a surprise to 95% of the non-book readers thread judging by what they've been saying.
Then the non-book readers are not very attentive at all, and the show-runners don't know how to surprise people.
They can't move LSH to the end of S5. You can't just introduce her to us via Brienne, she needs to have at least one scene before then. Who knows how the Brienne story will play out though, since she sees Arya on Sunday it looks like.
Still on #teamwhatever for Stoneheart. It's straight up weird to introduce her at all. She's not a character, she doesn't have a personality, she doesn't have an arc. After her reveal, she doesn't do anything in the books for a long while.
Though I guess Game of Thrones has a thing for keeping some magic hanging out threateningly on the periphery. The fact she exists might be an end.
Though I guess Game of Thrones has a thing for keeping some magic hanging out threateningly on the periphery. The fact she exists might be an end.
She may not have a personality, but she fills an important role.
Show viewers have strong feelings for the Stark family. You introduce her at the end of this season and then drop lines in KL about Frey's showing up missing or dead once or twice next season before bringing her back in 8/9/10 for the "Sword" stuff.
Show viewers have strong feelings for the Stark family. You introduce her at the end of this season and then drop lines in KL about Frey's showing up missing or dead once or twice next season before bringing her back in 8/9/10 for the "Sword" stuff.
peanutbutterlatte
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Based on the preview, does anybody think Tywin will sort of admit he knows about Jaime and Cersei? Would be an interesting confrontation since it's hinted he knows but he'd never admit it.
Hotpie & Brienne mentioned the Brotherhood in the 7th or 8th episode. Hotpie tells about them being captured by the Brotherhood and The Hound being there and I think (IIRC) Brienne then thinks the Brotherhood is the one taking Arya to the Vale (with The Hound still with them).
peanutbutterlatte
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Good one. Also, they don't have to have some lengthy reminder of Thoros of Myr being that guy that comes back from the dead, remember? Despite the whole "your sister" esque criticisms, I doubt viewers will forget that.
RatskyWatsky
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I did too. I hate recasts. It really hurts the continuity and integrity of the show when they continuously change actors. I hope this isn't true.
To be fair it isn't like Jon Snuh is being recast.
The Smoking Bun
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I want to see Cleganebowl come alive so he should live
The Smoking Bun
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RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
True, but even the smallest recasts are noticeable to me (especially when you're binging a show).
But wouldn't it be cool to have it zombie vs. zombie.
The Smoking Bun
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We would be getting a bit too close to Shaun of the Dead territory there.
Go the whole hog and cast Nick Frost and Simon Pegg...
I don't understand how she is not a character or have a personality. She's currently just hellbent on revenge on all that wronged the Starks after the horrible things that were done to them. She's clearly mentally unstable, not giving a fuck if you're a(n ex-)friend or foe or not in her quest for "justice." Sure, that's kind of one-noted, but you can't really blame her.
She's not at the center of anything (yet) so there hasn't really been a need to show her too much, but we get some hints as to what she's planning that sound potentially awesome. We'll probably have either Brienne or Jaime witnessing those events in TWOW (aka (attempt at) Red Wedding #2: Lannister & Frey Edition) or otherwise I don't understand why GRRM would take both to her. She hasn't been in the center because she doesn't have to be. You know she exists, you know she's on a warpath with the Freys & Lannisters and you know she's got Brienne and Brienne is taking Jaime to her. That's all you've needed to know so far, otherwise it's really better she's been kept as a behind the scenes character.
Also, you'd think there'd be a bigger reason to take both Jaime & Brienne to Stoneheart than both just dying, so I think Stoneheart will play a bigger part in TWOW and that will be witnessed from one or both of their POVs (though, I think something will happen that will end her story in TWOW, I don't necessarily see her story being prolonged or relevant by ADOS).
PhoenixDark
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In the books it's noted that Kevan Lannister never has a thought Tywin didn't have first...and Kevan clearly believed they were fucking. I'd imagine Tywin knew but didn't know, so to speak. As in he put a lot of time into killing the idea mentally, but somewhere deep down he had to know.
I think another argument for no Stoneheart is how D&D view the show. They don't see the seasons as individual books anymore, so for them, this season hasn't just been the second half of ASoS and it doesn't have to cover everything from it by the end. And they always saw the show as an "80 hour movie", so keeping a big WTF moment for early/mid season 5 (especially because of the lack of them going forward), might make sense for them.
They've already shown they don't have to keep to the usual TV structure for big moments, and this could be one of them.
They've already shown they don't have to keep to the usual TV structure for big moments, and this could be one of them.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I would wager good money they show Stoneheart at the very end of the episode, just like the book. Until all the discussion in this thread it never occurred to me that they wouldn't. I'm honestly surprised there's this much debate over it.
Moff
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and I agree with that, why exactly would that bother anyone? just because it was in ASOS it needs to be in season 4? I dont even think its that big of a cliffhanger. there were tons of better cliffhangers in all the books in simple chapter cliffhangers. its a great wtf moment, but not a cliffhanger, and its better used during season 5 than the already overloaded episode 10 of this season.
At this rate (and the fact there are now "sides" to this), I fear there will be a "ha ha" by whichever side ends up being right.
Everyone should join #teamnostoneheart, it's win-win. She isn't there? We were
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Memento Mori
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I've definitely got the impression from the show that Tywin knows but he's in denial. Remember the scene where Jaime offers to resign from the kingsguard if Tyrion is spared- Tywin says something like "you will marry a wife of my choosing and father children named Lannister".
Interview with Liam Cunningham and Carice van Houten by Westeros.org.
For those interested, a choice quote of Liam's could point to some sort of answer on the Stoneheart issue:
He's mentioning that in the context that right now, they're all one big family, but eventually, dead characters (and eventually the whole cast) will have to move on.
For those interested, a choice quote of Liam's could point to some sort of answer on the Stoneheart issue:
He's mentioning that in the context that right now, they're all one big family, but eventually, dead characters (and eventually the whole cast) will have to move on.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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They won't move Stoneheart to next season. They either do it Sunday or they don't do it at all.
They wouldn't be in the same country if she was in Game of Thrones anyway. The Wall and the middle of Westeros are filmed in different countries, no? Someone like Kit doesn't see Emilia a lot either on set.
Cpt.Underpants
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Hopefully its not Dany doing the end scene.
2 things: If it's a recent interview, and he just did a play, it's been months since they filmed the show. The other is that he wouldn't be around for a scene with LSH, and if filmed, assuredly would have been done secretly with a small crew.
It won't end on Dany. The song that sounds like it'll be the last song of the season, has some Stark bits in it. I've come around kind of hard on the whole theory of Bran "seeing" all the Stark Children, with the last bit (with no music, or not including in the song) showing The Mother.
Put me down for Stoneheart being in. I mean it's just too perfect a tv cliffhanger not to do it.
I will be highly upset if they don't show her just based on the missed opportunity for buildup for the next season because just based on what content we know is left they are gonna need get people foaming at the mouth for the next season of the show.
I will be highly upset if they don't show her just based on the missed opportunity for buildup for the next season because just based on what content we know is left they are gonna need get people foaming at the mouth for the next season of the show.
In addition, they could have filmed the LSH scene during the filming of season 3 when they had all relevant actors on set. That would have been more efficient than booking Michelle Fairley for just one short scene.
Moff
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why?
you make it sound like her existence only serves as a cliffhanger, and not as an important point in the story of 2 POV characters.
uhh. yeah.
PeskyToaster
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I think Stoneheart is in this season though I hate that she is a thing. It's better when death is final.
Yeah show Tywin is definitely a smart enough man to realize what Jaime and Cersei were doing. The only difference is he just sort of ignored it once the truth came out. Although had he been at King's Landing at the time I'm positive who would have made sure that Robert got Cersei pregnant just to avoid the whole legitimacy mess tha'ts been created.
Majmun
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The Red Wedding is still being talked about. Ending the season with Stonehart would make a huge impact.
I like it, for the horrific revenge that is owed to alot of people, but also the inevitable damage she'll cause to the realm. Maybe kill a person that the world needs in the fight at The End, or perhaps because of "what she is" can become an unwitting agent of The Other or the Lord of Light.
With the various "Zombie" type characters, it feels like it's building towards something involving them.
With the various "Zombie" type characters, it feels like it's building towards something involving them.
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Moff
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I agree, stoneheart would have been a great ending to season 4.
but the way they paced season 4 (which I think could have been done a lot better), episode 10 is already full of great moments and cliff hangers. it would be a waste to have stoneheart here, and it isnt necessary at all, it can easily be done in season 5, much more easily than all the other arcs that need to find their end in season 4. and season 5 could really use more highlights, honestly.
I just dont see what the big deal is with moving her so season 5, unless of course you think the exists only for a cliffhanger.
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I agree, stoneheart would have been a great ending to season 4.
but the way they paced season 4 (which I think could have been done a lot better), episode 10 is already full of great moments and cliff hangers. it would be a waste to have stoneheart here, and it isnt necessary at all, it can easily be done in season 5, much more easily than all the other arcs that need to find their end in season 4. and season 5 could really use more highlights, honestly.
I just dont see what the big deal is with moving her so season 5, unless of course you think the exists only for a cliffhanger.
m_shortpants
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They need to do it like that guy said on Reddit.
Bran logs in to Www.weirwood.net, is able to see all his siblings while someone like Mel narrates. After seeing the living Starks and Jon snow it then goes to their mother, LSH.
Bran logs in to Www.weirwood.net, is able to see all his siblings while someone like Mel narrates. After seeing the living Starks and Jon snow it then goes to their mother, LSH.
Myrcella recast would suck. Recasts suck in general and that girl was so into the show lol. Maybe she sucks at acting though? Who knows. That said, it is just a tumblr post, and given that they are casting young Cersei, it seems like it'd be really easy for the wires to get crossed in the rumor mill and have people thinking that the casting for young Cersei is actually a new Myrcella.
As for Stoneheart, things that appear in the episode aren't necessarily shown in the recap. Last year episode 10 had that scene at Pyke with Balon and Yara getting the dick in a box, but neither characters were shown in the recap. It does seem like they would've at least mentioned the Brotherhood or shown Sansa's clip where she talks about them dumping her mother in the river.
If there's no Stoneheart though, and we're definitely getting a Brienne/Hound encounter this week, then I have no idea where they're going with Brienne for next season. Just her and Pod wandering aimlessly after failing to get Arya? This whole season for her seemed carefully constructed to avoid exactly that, since people never really liked the meandering nature of her plot in the books. Her plot arc really doesn't make much sense without ending on Stoneheart.
As for Stoneheart, things that appear in the episode aren't necessarily shown in the recap. Last year episode 10 had that scene at Pyke with Balon and Yara getting the dick in a box, but neither characters were shown in the recap. It does seem like they would've at least mentioned the Brotherhood or shown Sansa's clip where she talks about them dumping her mother in the river.
If there's no Stoneheart though, and we're definitely getting a Brienne/Hound encounter this week, then I have no idea where they're going with Brienne for next season. Just her and Pod wandering aimlessly after failing to get Arya? This whole season for her seemed carefully constructed to avoid exactly that, since people never really liked the meandering nature of her plot in the books. Her plot arc really doesn't make much sense without ending on Stoneheart.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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We don't know if she'll be important later on. Right now, she IS a cliffhanger. After last season's bloodbath, Stoneheart would be perfect.
Dufase19089
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There should be a longer version where it plays Radioactive.
The other moments slated for this episode don't qualify as cliffhangers and will not have viewers talking about the show for months on end like Catelyn Stark's return to avenge the Starks would.
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