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[Basileus777]

Looks more likely they will be spreading books 4&5 over seasons 5&6 as I hoped. Good. Give GRRM more time.

This doesn't suggest that at all.

 

[Turin]

Pretty sure they'll have used most of the material from books 4-5 that they'll want to use by the end of the season.

It's cool that this gives GRRM an extra year but it's probably still inevitable.

 

[petethepanda]

I really do hope the show eventually catches up to the books. I think the single best thing that could happen for the show is the "Scott Pilgrim" situation where the final books and then the adaptation are both being made simultaneously, going down slightly different paths yet bouncing ideas off each other and ultimately making both better.

 

[Showaddy]

Looks more likely they will be spreading books 4&5 over seasons 5&6 as I hoped. Good. Give GRRM more time.

Don't think they are to be honest as we're getting Cersei's walk & Daznak's pit this season.

 

[Famassu]

George probably barely knows how to make chapters set inside a tree using ESP seem interesting, let along the Ds.

Well, first of all, it's not like Bran has a dozen chapters in any of the books. He can probably continue having 3-4 in the remaining books so it's not like GRRM has to come up with hundreds & hundreds of pages for Bran, not to even mention we don't know if he'll stay put. Secondly, how GRRM used Bran's new setting & "powers" was really fucking awesome in ADWD already, so I'm not worried about him coming up with more interesting stuff to happen to Bran. And that was just scratching the surface of potential that there is for all the intrique that surrounds the North, Bloodraven & what Bran will bring to the end game.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Looks more likely they will be spreading books 4&5 over seasons 5&6 as I hoped. Good. Give GRRM more time.

Yeah, that's not going to be the case at all.

 

[Famassu]

I thought we wanted them to make good television, not regurgitate GRRM's bloat.
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There's no bloat that would need to be added. Instead of rushing through the books that hasn't made for the best pacing in the TV show so far, they could give some instances more room to breathe as well as including more of the major storylines instead of cutting 90% of everything. The show so far isn't well paced. It has some well done scenes & stellar acting, but overall the pacing is just extremely bad. Sure, the books have their share of pacing problems, but taking time to properly build up to some dramatic moments, introduce characters and to not have to cut scenes short is preferable. The fast forward Best Of GRRM's ASOIAF nature that the show is currently like is much worse than any bloat that can be argued to be in the books.

I mean, Tyrion spent most of Season 4 sitting in the dungeons while Oberyn fooled around with the Lannisters. There's more material & much more interesting stuff from AFFC/ADWD at King's Landing for Cersei alone that could easily last at least 1,5 seasons not to even mention the show's possibility to include more of non-POV characters like Margaery, instead of ruining yet another storyline with Super Speed Pacing & dropping essential storylines out. They could use Season 5 to set up the problems with the Iron Bank, all the nasty shit with Qyburn, how Cersei starts to surround herself with incompetent yes-sayer fools that doesn't lead to anything good, her rivalry with Margaery and setting her up for adultery, the rise of the militant Faith faction, her falling out with Jaime etc. etc. Many of those storylines will either have to be removed, to the detriment of the overall story, or really sped through so fast that it will lessen the impact of any twists & climaxes they do keep in the show. The show already went through an extremely clumsily handled story arc for Cersei last season, we don't need more of that with Cersei (& Jaime) in Season 5

You can't say that seeing Cersei's descent into madness & the build-up of all of her stupid decisions wouldn't make for an entertaining season-long storyline and ending that with her imprisoning would be a great cliffhanger for Season 5. Then Season 6 could begin with her freaking out in the prison, the walk of shame a couple of episodes later and then move on to whatever will happen to her in TWOW by mid-Season 6. To have her story advance so quickly that she'll already be at the walk of shame by Season 5's end means that they'll once again not have any time to focus & give depth to a lot of things and/or cutting out some cool storylines that are far from bloat and more in the line of "essential storylines in the book".

That's not even taking into account the fact that some storylines like parts of the Ironborn's as well as Jon's aren't even as far as they should be by the end of Season 4. They'll still have to do the build-up for choosing Jon as the next the Lord Commander that should take at least 2-3 episodes, then there's all the interaction with Stannis, Melissandre, King beyond the wall shenanigans, sending Sam off, more Iron Bank dealings, starting to deal with the remaining wildlings north of the wall, starting to meddle with the affairs of the kingdom, deciding to & then taking the wildlings in, showing how that advances & its effects, manning the old posts along the wall, Stannis starting to gather his forces & allying with the Northern people, capturing Asha, setting out for Winterfell, the growing unrest amongst the Night's Watch and so on and so on. None of these are small storylines that can be just dealt with with a short segment once or twice during the season, but all are season-long developments that need their screentime if they want to give some proper development for the characters & situations.

AFFC & ADWD go to aftermath & build-up mode after the game changer events in ASOS, but they still have plenty of major things happening (& plenty of important aftermath of past events & build-up for a fuckton of future major events). Saying it's super easy to squeeze all of it into one season when they had plenty of problems doing the bare essentials of ASOS in two seasons is ludicrous. There is no bloat that this kind of rushing will help with nor does it make for better television, the overall scope & quality of everything will just suffer.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I thought we wanted them to make good television, not regurgitate GRRM's bloat.

That's the thing - D&D aren't capable of making good television on their own. They need the books or else the whole thing comes falling down (as illustrated by virtually every single change they've made over the years). The further they get from the books, the worse the show becomes.

And following the books has nothing to do with "regurgitating bloat", but that being said I'll take GRRM's bloat over D&D's laughable cliffnotes re-telling any day of the week.

 

[Jibbajabbawockky]

Hmmm... cutting out Bran and company from all of Season 5 would seem very strange. Just considering how it seemed like they sort of rushed Bran's story this past season to get to Bloodraven and then take a whole year off? I don't quite understand that.

I mean, sure, it could be because David and Dan have no clue what to do with Bran now since they basically got to the end of Bran's book material, minus Bran logging into the Wierwood Internet, but that would involve flashbacks which its not clear whether the show wants to do.

Then again, it seems weird they'd completely cut out a fairly major character like Bran for a whole year. If that's the case I sort of wish they had paced his material better in line with everyone else. That's where a cool character like Coldhands could have fit in to give his storyline a little more to do so they're not stuck with him having completed all of his book material while you have other characters with practically 2 books worth of material left.


How the show handles the Greyjoys is my other big question mark. Shit, Balon is still alive! Assuming the show eventually gets around to killing him, that just seems like it'll be supremely anti-climatic since it's rooted in Melisandre's leeches from way back in Season 3 now.

And they need to have at least Euron and Victarion. Dammit, those are 2 great characters that would just work well on TV. I just think its real stupid to include all of the Sand Snakes who I barely can keep straight but they cut a memorable character like Victarion. What's the point of having a Kingsmoot if its just Euron? I guess Asha/Yara will try to press her claim but TV Yara is just a snooze. Tossing in Euron and Victarion would make the Greyjoys interesting!

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I wonder if they're not doing Bran's stuff because his visions reveal something major to the plot, and they want to save those reveals for the final season?

But if that were the case, they could easily swap those spoilery moments out for previous events? Maybe even a review of Lyanna and the events leading up to Robert's Rebellion?

 

[Steelyuhas]

I wonder if they're not doing Bran's stuff because his visions reveal something major to the plot, and they want to save those reveals for the final season?

But if that were the case, they could easily swap those spoilery moments out for previous events? Maybe even a review of Lyanna and the events leading up to Robert's Rebellion?

I think it's very likely that whatever Bran's future content is has major end game implications for the series and therefore they probably can't get into that content until the other pieces of plot/characters are in place.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I think it's very likely that whatever Bran's future content is has major end game implications for the series and therefore they probably can't get into that content until the other pieces of plot/characters are in place.

I agree, but that doesn't mean that they can't at least do something with him next season.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Hmmm... cutting out Bran and company from all of Season 5 would seem very strange. Just considering how it seemed like they sort of rushed Bran's story this past season to get to Bloodraven and then take a whole year off? I don't quite understand that.

I know nothing (jon snow) of what their filming process is like, but perhaps doing all of Bran's story last year saved them the time and money from having to go back to those locations this year? Thus, the time and money that they would have spent on those scenes for Bran and Co. can be allocated to other characters/locations? I have no idea what I'm talking about lol.

 

[Turin]

This doesn't mean Bran can't show up in other forms. It just wouldn't require the actor this year.

 

[Madness]

Seems a purely business decision. They've been forced to not only shoot in Northern Ireland but Iceland for Bran not to mention have to do the CGI for Summer.

And it doesn't help when fans always say he has the most boring story etc. It sucks because I actually thought they'd show us something new. A big problem with the show is, people forget. Will be two years before we see Bran again, and he'll be a fully grown man, almost 20 years old.

 

[Exterminieren]

I actually think the reality is that people will miss Hodor significantly more than they'll miss Bran, FWIW.

It isn't their story to tell though - it's their story to re-tell and that can't happen unless GRRM finishes the books.

Bollocks, honestly. They've been contracted to tell this story and bring it to a conclusion. You not liking the result has absolutely nothing to do with whether they have the right to do it or not.

Like... You do realise that it's GRRM who's at fault for this situation, not the showrunners, yes? He didn't have to sell the TV rights with no end in sight for the series.

 

[Valhelm]

I bet they're going to recast Bran for season 6.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

That's the thing - D&D aren't capable of making good television on their own. They need the books or else the whole thing comes falling down (as illustrated by virtually every single change they've made over the years). The further they get from the books, the worse the show becomes.

And following the books has nothing to do with "regurgitating bloat", but that being said I'll take GRRM's bloat over D&D's laughable cliffnotes re-telling any day of the week.

So much this.

 

[Basileus777]

That's the thing - D&D aren't capable of making good television on their own. They need the books or else the whole thing comes falling down (as illustrated by virtually every single change they've made over the years). The further they get from the books, the worse the show becomes.

And following the books has nothing to do with "regurgitating bloat", but that being said I'll take GRRM's bloat over D&D's laughable cliffnotes re-telling any day of the week.

The problem is that I don't agree with your premise, there have been plenty of changes or new material written for the show that's been pretty good. And we don't know how they'd fair without a book to work off of because it's never been attempted. It's a concern obviously, but it's not something that can be avoided because there is absolutely no chance GRRM finishes these books before HBO is done. If you don't want to see what D&D do their own thing, it's probably time to stop watching the show.

And a "faithful" adaptation of AFFC/ADWD (which is not even possible really) would make for some really poor television, worse than anything in the first four seasons by far.

I think it's very likely that whatever Bran's future content is has major end game implications for the series and therefore they probably can't get into that content until the other pieces of plot/characters are in place.

This seems like the most likely answer. Delaying it for GRRM seems unthinkable, so there needs to be some plot or financial reason to put it off for a year.

 

[Aiii]

I actually think the reality is that people will miss Hodor significantly more than they'll miss Bran, FWIW.


Bollocks, honestly. They've been contracted to tell this story and bring it to a conclusion. You not liking the result has absolutely nothing to do with whether they have the right to do it or not.

Like... You do realise that it's GRRM who's at fault for this situation, not the showrunners, yes? He didn't have to sell the TV rights with no end in sight for the series.

Bam. Done.

It's gonna be at least another 6 to 8 years until the books are even finished, people thinking that a "hiatus" or "spreading out the remaining story over four seasons" is gonna change anything about that simple fact are just kidding themselves.

Fact is the series is going to end before the books do. You have two options.
1) Accept it and enjoy the show.
2) Don't and don't watch the show.

Seems simple enough to me.

 

[Memento Mori]

This doesn't mean Bran can't show up in other forms. It just wouldn't require the actor this year.

Yeah Bran not appearing might mean they just use him in voiceover talking to Theon through the tree at Winterfell.

 

[Ikael]

I don't like these news. I don't like this at all.

That being said, the show is between a rock and a hard place.

In one hand, yes, whenever Benioff and Weiss tried to deviate from the book and offer their particular vision of the characters, it sucked massive bollocks.

In the other hand, waiting for martin and stretching the narrative is a good recipe for series failure as seen by... a majority of American TV series. And because by God, the last 2 books are indeed bloated. I don't know how this is even debatable (Brienne's trip to nowhere, the Meerense knot, more and more factions and POV added, etc, etc, etc).

Thing is, the showrunners are good at trimming fat and at offering alternative scenes that do not make for character building and rather focus into advancing the plot or merging storylines (Hound VS Brienne, Tywin instead of Roose Bolton at Harrenhall, etc) as opposing to stretching it (Yara's "rescue") or offering their "interpretation" of the characters (Cersei's rape and the likes).

I believe that they should have use whatever knowdegle they have about the future events post ADWD in order to follow what they do best and advance the story. If they are going to be lef it untrimmed or wose, delaying it on purpouse, I think that we're all in for some new "Theon's rescue" type of scenes :/

 

[FleckSplat]

Mama Dragonz does the ice bucket challenge

The best one yet.

Haha!

"Mother of Crap!"

Looks like the Mother of Dragons is weak to ice water.

 

[gutshot]

If they knew that once Bran got to Bloodraven they would have to put his story on hold, why did they rush him there? They could have ended his arc in S4 with him meeting up with Coldhands and then had S5 be the remainder of his journey to the cave, with maybe an added scene or two. It would have been a light season for him, but I think that would have been preferable to no Bran whatsoever. Also, we would have gotten to see fucking Coldhands.

 

[Iksenpets]

You'd think if they were gonna skip Bran this season, they would have put a bit more money/effort into the Bloodraven reveal. Like have a branch coming out of his eye or something.

I was thinking the opposite, kind of. That scene was kind of crap because that was a set they probably tore down the second filming was done. They maybe would've spent more in it if it was something that was getting reused.

I really don't think this is as bad as people are making it out to be though. One scene at the beginning of season 6 where Bran is doing crazy warg shit and everyone will understand what he's been up to for the past year. It's probably just an issue that whatever is next for Bran can't happen until some other characters catch up, and they didn't want to waste time on filler until then. After all the complaints about how bad their filler is, cutting away from him is probably way preferable, and it works in the story since the time he's not an camera will just be an implied training montage, which is simple enough for viewers to understand.

 

[Moff]

If they knew that once Bran got to Bloodraven they would have to put his story on hold, why did they rush him there? They could have ended his arc in S4 with him meeting up with Coldhands and then had S5 be the remainder of his journey to the cave, with maybe an added scene or two. It would have been a light season for him, but I think that would have been preferable to no Bran whatsoever. Also, we would have gotten to see fucking Coldhands.

I dont think they cut out coldhands because they wanted to rush the story.
they didnt even rush it, they even added new stuff like captured summer. and people still complained it was the seasons most boring story where nothing happens.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Personally I think Benioff and Weiss are poor writers who constantly make bad, short term decisions. They don't seem interested in consequences, and instead many of their changes come off as little more than disposable shock (or action piece) material for the moment; Cersei's rape, the undercover Night's Watch guy kidnapping Bran, the nonstop sexualization of Oberyn, COTF throwing fireballs, etc. Subtlety isn't their strong suit to put it lightly. This isn't 2011 anymore - GoT is no longer a borderline show with low ratings, trying not to scare audiences with swords n magic. It's one of the top 10 most popular shows on television and has entered the pop culture hivemind.

People like the show, they like the characters...it's high time the showrunners showed some damn confidence in viewers. Just because an episode doesn't have an action piece doesn't mean one needs to be shoehorned in (see: Yara's "rescue").

Getting back to Bran...this has nothing to do with being Martin's fault IMO. The show is cutting entire arcs from the books and doing completely different storylines with some characters (Jaime). Why can't they do the same with Bran? Hell, even if they spoiled something, does it matter? It's their show, not George's. They know the general gist of how each major arc ends. It wouldn't take a genius to create material for Bran - hell, just have him learning to skinchange various animals, use them to save some humans from Others, see a flashback or two, etc. Boom, done.

 

[ToyMachine228]

I dont think they cut out coldhands because they wanted to rush the story.
they didnt even rush it, they even added new stuff like captured summer. and people still complained it was the seasons most boring story where nothing happens.

Coldhands being cut was most likely a budget issue. It would have required a lot of CGI every time he was on screen. I personally, am much more interested in the mystic stuff beyond the wall than Bran being captured. They already had a close encounter with Jon and Bran, we didn't need another one. I don't despise those scenes, but given the choice of the two, would I rather have that or Coldhands, I'd definitely choose Coldhands.

Now that said, I'm a little worried about cutting Bran from Season 5. Non-book readders already have a hard time keeping track of all the characters and removing one from the show for a full year is only going to make it harder, especially considering that when we next see Bran, he may be assimilated with a tree and not look familiar or totally recognizable. He is a Stark, which is what a lot of viewers connect to being the "important" characters. So to see him take a back seat for a season would really suck, especially considering he is our insight into a lot of the magic and fantasy elements that the show has, and will only get more prominent in the next few books.

 

[CassSept]

Cersei's rape,

Not to vindicate D&D as I do think a lot of original material is misguided and/or of poor quality, but wasn't that scene screwed up by Alex Graves?

 

[Ogimachi]

I think Bran is in. He'll probably get a couple of flashbacks, including the Tower of Joy, because if they don't show it at some point, it will be the show's greatest failure, and that's saying something.

Not to vindicate D&D as I do think a lot of original material is misguided and/or of poor quality, but wasn't that scene screwed up by Alex Graves?

Not just him. The actual lines were very different. Cersei in the book is more worried about getting caught than anything, whereas in the show she simply doesn't consent to it, tries to push him away really hard and even cries.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Not to vindicate D&D as I do think a lot of original material is misguided and/or of poor quality, but wasn't that scene screwed up by Alex Graves?

I thought it was clearly edited to look like rape, which would fall in Benioff and Weiss' ballpark. Graves made it sound like he filmed something else, which could be true.

 

[Dany]

Does she cry in the show? Didn't she cry in the books?

if it was rape, then their would have been ramifications in later episodes.

 

[Ikael]

Not to vindicate D&D as I do think a lot of original material is misguided and/or of poor quality, but wasn't that scene screwed up by Alex Graves?

D&D changed the dialogue between Cersei and Jaime and made it effectively a rape scene (Cersei doesn't urges Jaime to penetrate her as opposted to the books, "I don't care" quote moved from Cersei to Jaime, added "no, no, no" and a long etc).

Noone could have filmed that script without looking like a rape, not even a talented director like Alex Graves. It was the most blatant screw up from D&D up to date. They tried to avoid blame and controversy by saying that it was intended to be a rape scene from the beggining, but it would seem to me that this wasn't their original intention.

 

[Ogimachi]

Does she cry in the show? Didn't she cry in the books?

if it was rape, then their would have been ramifications in later episodes.

This article has a comparison.

 

[CassSept]

I thought it was clearly edited to look like rape, which would fall in Benioff and Weiss' ballpark. Graves made it sound like he filmed something else, which could be true.

D&D changed the dialogue between Cersei and Jaime and made it effectively a rape scene (Cersei doesn't urges Jaime to penetrate her as opposted to the books, "I don't care" quote moved from Cersei to Jaime, added "no, no, no" and a long etc).

Noone could have filmed that script without looking like a rape, not even a talented director like Alex Graves. It was the most blatant screw up from D&D up to date. They tried to avoid blame and controversy by saying that it was intended to be a rape scene from the beggining, but it would seem to me that this wasn't their original intention.

Ah ok, I must have misremembered things. I see the episode was written by Benioff and Weiss too.

I do agree it's the worst alteration yet as it's a massive change to the source material, it taints Jaime's entire arc and at least should transform the dynamic between Cersei and Jaime later on... yet there were no repercussions to the scene. Terrible.

Invented scenes and plotlines are a whole other mess of bad writing and bad characterization.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Seems a purely business decision. They've been forced to not only shoot in Northern Ireland but Iceland for Bran not to mention have to do the CGI for Summer.

And it doesn't help when fans always say he has the most boring story etc. It sucks because I actually thought they'd show us something new. A big problem with the show is, people forget. Will be two years before we see Bran again, and he'll be a fully grown man, almost 20 years old.

Pretty sure they didn't shoot any season 4 Bran scenes in Iceland. They did their Iceland filming for season 4 in the summer, it's a lot of the riverlands scenes that you see (mostly Arya and The Hound).

If they knew that once Bran got to Bloodraven they would have to put his story on hold, why did they rush him there? They could have ended his arc in S4 with him meeting up with Coldhands and then had S5 be the remainder of his journey to the cave, with maybe an added scene or two. It would have been a light season for him, but I think that would have been preferable to no Bran whatsoever. Also, we would have gotten to see fucking Coldhands.

Probably because they didn't want to do a "character goes from point A to point B" plot forever. They already spent two full seasons of Bran and co simply traveling, which isn't exactly riveting at a macro level.

In my mind, that's something that rears it's head more than I'd like in George's books as well, arcs of characters simply traveling for an extended period of time. I get and appreciate that it's a dedication to a realized world with real size and it takes a long time to get places, but it doesn't always make for an awesome character arc.

 

[gutshot]

http://watchersonthewall.com/game-t...rs-klis-fortress-closed-visitors-preparation/

#hype

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Bollocks, honestly. They've been contracted to tell this story and bring it to a conclusion. You not liking the result has absolutely nothing to do with whether they have the right to do it or not.

They've been contracted to re-tell the story in the form of a TV show. Nothing more.

Like... You do realise that it's GRRM who's at fault for this situation, not the showrunners, yes? He didn't have to sell the TV rights with no end in sight for the series.

I never said he wasn't at fault. But D&D wouldn't help things any by rushing through the (plentiful and unmined) existing material just so they can get to unreleased material for the sole purpose of ending the show within the arbitrary time frame they've allotted themselves.

The problem is that I don't agree with your premise, there have been plenty of changes or new material written for the show that's been pretty good.

Such as? Ros? The endless torture scenes featuring Theon? Yara and her pathetic attempted rescue? The bastardization of Jon Snow and everything up north? Jamie killing his cousin and then raping Cersei? Dany's constant "WHER AR MAH DRAGUNZ!?!?!?!" after her dragons are kidnapped by the warlocks? Arya's merry servant stint at Harrenhal? Renly's missing peach? Robb's awful deviation with Talisa? I mean, I could go on and on.

If you don't want to see what D&D do their own thing, it's probably time to stop watching the show.

The thing is, why would anyone want to see D&D do their own thing?

It's gonna be at least another 6 to 8 years until the books are even finished, people thinking that a "hiatus" or "spreading out the remaining story over four seasons" is gonna change anything about that simple fact are just kidding themselves.

Fact is the series is going to end before the books do. You have two options.
1) Accept it and enjoy the show.
2) Don't and don't watch the show.

Seems simple enough to me.

No one wants or thinks the show should go on hiatus until the book series is finished.

What I'm saying is:

They still have a lot of stuff left from AFFC and ADWD (and no, it isn't "bloat") that could easily fill 1 - 1 1/2 seasons and make for mighty compelling television. There's no need to get into unreleased book material next year.

If Bran/Hodor/Meera are really taking a year off, I applaud the decision because it shows that D&D aren't just trying to rush through to the end ("4 seasons for the first 3 books and 3 seasons for the final 4 books! We've already told all the good parts of this story so let's just rush through to the end! Ending! Ending! LET'S END THIS SHIT AW YEAAHH").

Unfortunately, they will eventually have to move past the books (even if they spent 2 seasons on AFFC and ADWD and 1-2 on TWOW, I really doubt ADOS would be finished by then) but it doesn't have to be next year. That future is inevitable but there's no need (and honestly, the desire people have for them) to rush into things (baffles me), especially when we know the outcome will be disastrous.

It wouldn't take a genius to create material for Bran - hell, just have him learning to skinchange various animals, use them to save some humans from Others, see a flashback or two, etc. Boom, done.

Sure, but doesn't the warging stuff cost a lot of money? CGI, animal actors, etc? Flashbacks would require new sets too, wouldn't they? There are are a myriad of things they could do with Bran next year but I think he was cut (if that's even true) due to budgetary reasons. He's a non-essential character to the plot (at this point) so it doesn't really affect anything if they drop him for a year.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Such as? Ros? The endless torture scenes featuring Theon? Yara and her pathetic attempted rescue? The bastardization of Jon Snow and everything up north? Jamie killing his cousin and then raping Cersei? Dany's constant "WHER AR MAH DRAGUNZ!?!?!?!" after her dragons are kidnapped by the warlocks? Arya's merry servant stint at Harrenhal? Renly's missing peach? Robb's awful deviation with Talisa? I mean, I could go on and on.

I really wouldn't put Renly's missing peach among all those other atrocities, mate. I'd have put the Missandei/Grey Worm "romance" there instead, or Bran's abduction by the renegade Night Watchmen, or Pod's alleged sexual prowess or even that awful beetle speech. That was some awful, cringeworthy TV.
Also, funny choice of word for Jon, haha. (I agree though, they butchered his arc, especially in S2.)

The thing is, why would anyone want to see D&D do their own thing?

Some people apparently like bad TV. (But if you call it bad TV, that means you're just a purist who whines about Margaery being too old or Roose Bolton's cloak not being pink or something.)

 

[Euron]

Hey guys, I've been lurking the Book Threads throughout Season 4 and judging by my username you can guess what casting info I've been especially waiting on all season.

I really do not think that about 3.5 books can be covered in only 30 episodes. Maybe we will see some sort of episode split between two years just like Breaking Bad. It's pretty much a given at this point that some material from books 4&5 will slip into Season 6. Bowen Marsh being only in Season 5 up until episode 6 makes me feel that we might not see Jon's Assassination until the beginning of Season 6. Of course I could be very wrong with this.

But I have been wondering a lot lately is what the deal is with Aegon and JonCon? Obviously they won't be announced as themselves in official casting info but have we even heard rumors of actors fitting their descriptions? Apparently a location for Volantis has been chosen: http://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-heading-volantis-new-season-5-spoilers/

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I really wouldn't put Renly's missing peach among all those other atrocities, mate.

I just had to slip that one in XD

I'd have put the Missandei/Grey Worm "romance" there instead, or Bran's abduction by the renegade Night Watchmen, or Pod's alleged sexual prowess or even that awful beetle speech. That was some awful, cringeworthy TV.

Yeah, all of those as well. I mean, even if there are a few positive changes (though I struggle to think of any), the negative far outweigh the positive.

Also, funny choice of word for Jon, haha. (I agree though, they butchered his arc, especially in S2.)

That was intentional

Some people apparently like bad TV. (But if you call it bad TV, that means you're just a purist who whines about Margaery being too old or Roose Bolton's cloak not being pink or something.)

Apparently!

 

[The Smoking Bun]

Can someone explain Cersei's character to me? Like what her major malfunction is?
For instance, why did she never try to discipline Joffery and let him be a psycho?
She would want a strong, intelligent Lannister king to rule right? As opposed to the riots Joffery's brief rule ends up causing?

I guess Tywin's death pretty much seals the doom of the Lannisters if not the events of AFFC/ADWD

 

[Brakke]

the sole purpose of ending the show within the arbitrary time frame they've allotted themselves.

I'll probably never have work on one project for seven straight years in my entire career. Who would want to? Even GRR doesn't want to work on ASOIAF year round full time.

Such as? [...] Arya's merry servant stint at Harrenhal?

Yeah totally! I loved that. Those two actors were great together.

We've already told all the good parts of this story so let's just rush through to the end!

That's... probably true though. ;_; If I never read another "wherever whores go" it'll be too soon.

when we know the outcome will be disastrous.

"We know". "Disastrous".

 

[Morrigan Stark]

From the non-reader thread:
"Essos will get a lot more interesting now that Tyrion, the Spider and Arya are on their way over. Really excited to see where those plotlines go. It's always felt so disconnected with it being 100% focused on Daenerys but that's about to change."

Oh, you sweet summer child... xD

 

[Fuzzy]

From the non-reader thread:
"Essos will get a lot more interesting now that Tyrion, the Spider and Arya are on their way over. Really excited to see where those plotlines go. It's always felt so disconnected with it being 100% focused on Daenerys but that's about to change."

Oh, you sweet summer child... xD

Essos did get more interesting with Tyrion and Arya being there though. It went from a 2/10 to a 5/10.

 

[Crisco]

Can someone explain Cersei's character to me? Like what her major malfunction is?
For instance, why did she never try to discipline Joffery and let him be a psycho?
She would want a strong, intelligent Lannister king to rule right? As opposed to the riots Joffery's brief rule ends up causing?

I guess Tywin's death pretty much seals the doom of the Lannisters if not the events of AFFC/ADWD

All that but you left out "Why did she repeatedly fuck her brother?"

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Essos did get more interesting with Tyrion and Arya being there though. It went from a 2/10 to a 5/10.

Well, sure, but for one thing, Braavos is pretty far from Meereen, and well, I've been waiting for Tyrion and Dany to meet for 14 years, and I'm starting to think that won't even happen in TWoW... or at all, really. xD

All that but you left out "Why did she repeatedly fuck her brother?"

That one's easy: because she was in love with him. For the other questions, it's because, to quote Tywin, "she's not as smart as she thinks she is". xD

 

[Iksenpets]

Essos did get more interesting with Tyrion and Arya being there though. It went from a 2/10 to a 5/10.

I'll accept that math, but only on the basis that Arya gives it plus 4 and Tyrion minus one. Tyrion's Essos stuff is the worst plot of the whole series. Even with Arya, for as interesting she is and as neat Braavos is compared to the rest of Essos, there's just not a whole lot there.

Hey guys, I've been lurking the Book Threads throughout Season 4 and judging by my username you can guess what casting info I've been especially waiting on all season.

I really do not think that about 3.5 books can be covered in only 30 episodes. Maybe we will see some sort of episode split between two years just like Breaking Bad. It's pretty much a given at this point that some material from books 4&5 will slip into Season 6. Bowen Marsh being only in Season 5 up until episode 6 makes me feel that we might not see Jon's Assassination until the beginning of Season 6. Of course I could be very wrong with this.

But I have been wondering a lot lately is what the deal is with Aegon and JonCon? Obviously they won't be announced as themselves in official casting info but have we even heard rumors of actors fitting their descriptions? Apparently a location for Volantis has been chosen: http://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-heading-volantis-new-season-5-spoilers/

I would agree Jon's assassination probably isn't until season 6. As for Euron, I wouldn't get your hopes up for seeing him this season. Season 6 is more likely. Aegon and Connington are in all likelihood completely cut. There hasn't been a speck of evidence for either of them showing up, and Jorah and Tyrion have been filming on a riverboat, suggesting that Jorah is taking the place of all of that.

 

[Fuzzy]

I'll accept that math

Fuzzy math is best math.

 

[Iksenpets]

Fuzzy math is best math.

I can't believe I walked you right into that pun.