WhereAreMahDragonz
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They can explain that away through the gout. I mean, I know that didn't prevent him from having children earlier in his life, but the show can just tack on more illnesses to account for his infertility.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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They can explain that away through the gout. I mean, I know that didn't prevent him from having children earlier in his life, but the show can just tack on more illnesses to account for his infertility.
Morrigan Stark
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No. Sansa and Arya would inherit before Bran and Rickon, though.
Basileus777
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Dornish law doesn't change anything about bastards in the succession as far as I know.
The Dornish attitude to bastardy has always bothered me. Despite the comments about how "bastards are seen as the products of love", they're still barred from inheritance.
Do we know why Oberyn chose not to marry Ellaria? The Martell dyansty is so shaky that you'd think he would try to make as many members of his house as he could.
Morrigan Stark
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Well, that's probably out of respect for the wife...
Hahaha who am I kidding, nobody respects wives xD
Oh yeah. Well, to be honest, I don't think the books actually mention any details about how Dornish law treats bastards when it comes to the line of succession.
That's even one of the points in that Dornish Master Plan series of videos.
Would they? I thought after the Dance of the Dragons females were placed at the bottom of the secession line.
Morrigan Stark
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Huh? No, Dorne has gender-blind primogeniture.
I think Doran being relatively secure with three children gave Oberyn the freedom to follow his heart and not give a fuck. He may have gone ahead and done it if Doran had one or no children.
He'll probably just be very disabled. Instead of having gout, he could be paraplegic.
Basileus777
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That only applied to the Targs and royal succession.
Phoenician_Viking
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I just finished reading book 5. What an ending. At least Varys has his heart in the right place. I only thought it was Daenerys that he wanted her crowned.
I love Agon´s plot. I really liked how he turned to Westeros to make his move.
Everyone wants Daenerys. I did not know that Victorian wanted her too. But i also liked that plot too.
I don´t like Stannis and he is a scrub. I thought he had his own view point, but apparently he is not that important.
I love the Blackfish. Best Tarly by far.
Poor Quentyn! What a horrible way to die.
Love the sand snakes and the Dorne plot.
Tyrion is being Tyrion, which is awesome.
Daenerys has been a bad queen. She should have listened to Dario, destroyed the pyramids and kill the Harpy which is Hizadur.
All in all book 5 is much better than book 4, but the satisfaction of Cersi´s plan going to hell, was unmatched in book 5 imo.
I love Agon´s plot. I really liked how he turned to Westeros to make his move.
Everyone wants Daenerys. I did not know that Victorian wanted her too. But i also liked that plot too.
I don´t like Stannis and he is a scrub. I thought he had his own view point, but apparently he is not that important.
I love the Blackfish. Best Tarly by far.
Poor Quentyn! What a horrible way to die.
Love the sand snakes and the Dorne plot.
Tyrion is being Tyrion, which is awesome.
Daenerys has been a bad queen. She should have listened to Dario, destroyed the pyramids and kill the Harpy which is Hizadur.
All in all book 5 is much better than book 4, but the satisfaction of Cersi´s plan going to hell, was unmatched in book 5 imo.
Well, he would be.
Atraveller
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I hope not, Quentyn already died for nothing after a long, dull adventure.
You and I cannot be friends.
Sorry, I thought you were suddenly switching back to talking about regular Westeros law.
Atraveller
Banned
I guess that explains why Ramsay, Rickon, and Hot Pie aren't POV Characters.
Morrigan Stark
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Basileus777
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Daenerys?
Citation needed btw.
I'm pretty sure he's misremembering what GRRM said.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Martin has also said in hindsight he feels that Robb should have been a POV character. Personally Im glad he wasn't even thoug I love Robb. Having him as a POV would have been an obvious choice; the hero has died and now his son rises to avenge him. Instead we saw him in a not particularly heroic lens: through the eyes of a worrying mother. I really liked Catelyn's chapters though, and I know she's one of the hated characters.
In my perfect world she becomes Davos's neighbor after the wars are done, and they have a long platonic relationship providing support for each other since they both suffered horrible losses.
In my perfect world she becomes Davos's neighbor after the wars are done, and they have a long platonic relationship providing support for each other since they both suffered horrible losses.
Morrigan Stark
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Again: citation needed
Agreed. #teamcat
In my perfect world she becomes Davos's neighbor after the wars are done, and they have a long platonic relationship providing support for each other since they both suffered horrible losses.
Mmmm probably. Haven't found the quote, but I remember reading it damnit ><
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Are you trolling? Tyrion was not Tyrion, he was a drunken mess for most of the book. He also manipulated Aegon into an invasion. Danerys was a decent ruler and was actually getting peace, and Hizdar is most certainly not the Harpy. And listen to Darrio? He wanted to perform a red wedding on those innocent people.
Morrigan Stark
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Yeah, totally weird how he was such an emotional wreck after the events of book 3.
>.>
Junior Asparagus
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Bails out the Night's Watch, rallies the North to his cause, and actually gets shit done personally.
What a scrub.
Morrigan Stark
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I agree. I had no problem with his character development, it felt believable and natural. Plot-wise though, ehh.... that travelogue was pretty boring.
I didn't mind it because after Brienne I've just accepted that's how these books are now. But yeah I can't argue all his chapters were necessary.
TheNamesPlissken
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... Huh.
... Love aegons magical introduction? Which in the end is fine since he's a fake, but still.
... Stannis a scrub? He's basically the most active player in the whole series. He's gone from dragonstone to a giant battle for kings landing to the wall and now single handily marching in a blinding month long blizzard to retake winterfell to try and rally the North.
I don't even remember the sand snakes other than them getting locked up in a tower and belittling Doran who actually was doing way more than they ever had.
Can we all agree that Theon and Davos had the best chapters in ADWD? It would be such a shame to see Wyman Manderly cut from the show. Wendell was clearly at the Red Wedding but for all we know the show could take a different turn.
Jon already knows that Bran and Rickon are alive and will definitely tell Stannis this. If Wyman is cut the best case scenario is Davos gets sent to the Umbers. There may even be some show only storyline where Davos races to find Rickon before Bolton men do and the whole rallying the northern houses will be cut entirely.
Jon already knows that Bran and Rickon are alive and will definitely tell Stannis this. If Wyman is cut the best case scenario is Davos gets sent to the Umbers. There may even be some show only storyline where Davos races to find Rickon before Bolton men do and the whole rallying the northern houses will be cut entirely.
Hi guys. Haven't followed any of the news since the end of season 4 apart from seeing an article the other day that said
which has sparked my interest. Just wondering if we know much about season 5 yet? How much book material they plan to cover, what/who is being cut, who was been cast, etc. Might be a good idea to have a quick summary in the OP for people like me
Bran and Hodor won't be appearing next season
Well as of now it seems like
Bran will be appearing this season.
Arianne and Quentyn are 100% gone. Greyjoys haven't been casted yet. Either cut, won't make this season, or
Euron is Daario
Thankfully Doran and the High Sparrow both have very good actors. We're also getting three sand snakes. Oh and the biggest change we know of so far is (AFFC Spoilers)
Jaime and Bronn are going to Dorne instead of the Riverlands
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Denaerys is not a decent ruler. A decent ruler would not get tricked and manipulated like that. She is a relatively good person (still she crossified noble men as an act of vengeance) she has her heart in the right place but that does not make her a decent ruler. As for Hizdar, come on, when he married Denearys all the attacks stopped and when he was arrested the attacks presumed. How can he influence them if he was not in cahoot, or at least have a very close relationship with them. How would he know who the harpies were to talk to them and stop them from attacking?
I misspoke with calling him a scrub, but honestly i was surprised that he does not have hos own perspective in this book. Melisandre has a huge pull on what he does. His wife is a tool. But i guess he does take advice. He took Jon´s advice and brought more northerners before going to Winterfell. Is there any reason to believe Ramsey´s letter?
Each of them is on a mission. One to get into the septa, another to get into the small counsel, or at least ask for her father´s place in the counsel.
Morrigan Stark
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Indeed. Bran too. It surprised me that the best chapters are those I expected the least.
Depends if you are only excited because you get to see naked Lena.
Nah, I don't care about that. I just want justice to her character.
All the Northern stuff is really good. And I actually really like the Dany plot with the exception of Daario, after reading that Meereenese Blot blog. The Tyrion and Quentyn travels through Essos are really what drag it down, and I say that as someone who really liked Brienne's travels Feast. The Essos stuff just sort of felt like GRRM wrote up all the world building stuff and felt like he had to throw it in somewhere.
I like that he isn't a point of view character, he works better as someone like Littlefinger or Varys or Tywin, whose deeper motivations and psychology you have to work out for yourself. And no, Ramsay's letter has some pretty blatant contradictions in it, so something is definitely up there.
Edit: Whoops, meant to edit this into my last post instead of double posting.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
After he finishes ADOS he can go back and write some Robb POV chapters and add them in to a revised A Game of Thrones, George Lucas style!
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Where is Rickon Stark? What happened to him? I only read books 4 and 5, last i saw him on the show he was with Bran long time ago.
I liked the Davos chapter, but Theons felt like it was really prolonged, but still good. I personally expected a lot from the turncloak chapter. Personally i loved the Melisandre chapter, Griff´s chapters, and the sand snake chapters. Honestly i like the book as a whole. I very much enjoyed Cersi´s public humiliation and Selmy´s chivalry. Asha´s POV was well done. Don´t make me choose, damn you
I liked the Davos chapter, but Theons felt like it was really prolonged, but still good. I personally expected a lot from the turncloak chapter. Personally i loved the Melisandre chapter, Griff´s chapters, and the sand snake chapters. Honestly i like the book as a whole. I very much enjoyed Cersi´s public humiliation and Selmy´s chivalry. Asha´s POV was well done. Don´t make me choose, damn you
Incandenza
Banned
Where is Rickon Stark? What happened to him? I only read books 4 and 5, last i saw him on the show he was with Bran long time ago.
I liked the Davos chapter, but Theons felt like it was really prolonged, but still good. I personally expected a lot from the turncloak chapter. Personally i loved the Melisandre chapter, Griff´s chapters, and the sand snake chapters. Honestly i like the book as a whole. I very much enjoyed Cersi´s public humiliation and Selmy´s chivalry. Asha´s POV was well done. Don´t make me choose, damn you
He's on Skagos, between Eastwatch and Braavos. Land of unicorns and cannibals. They were presumably shipwrecked on there.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
She did establish peace though, which was her main goal. Hizdahr also was not the one to suggest the marriage, I believe it was the Green Grace who suggested marrying a Meereenese noble.
Dear god go back and read the first 3 books. You missed a lot.
Moff
Member
thats mentioned in ADWD though, davos is on his way to look for him on skagos.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Thanks.
Hizdahr presumably wanted to poison Denearys, and open Mareen to slavery again. She made a poor judgemet call to marry him, but she did it for the people. But i still think it´s a very bad judgement call.
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