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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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Sure, why the fuck not, let's go with that, nothing makes any sense in the show any way. We could have Olly be the new Lord Commander too, it will symbolize his growth and the...fuck it.
Veritigo_X
Member
I loved how they were wearing the exact same outfit but in different colors in their last scene. They looked like fucking Power Rangers when they rolled out.
"Sand Snakes, out!"
I think that is what the scene implies, Ramsay can do no wrong
He must have been shirtless, they never stood a chance.
Seriously, wtf, so bad.
I know a seige at Riverun wouldn't have made for thrilling televsion, but at least it wouldn't have made for totally fucking stupid television either. And way to make Jaimie look like a fucking fool.
Is it me or does this show have like the worst finales? Season 1's was great but it's been downhill ever since.
Is it me or does this show have like the worst finales? Season 1's was great but it's been downhill ever since.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Also sending Trystane to KL after murdering Myrcella seems like a good way to further show that killing Myrcella wasn't an official Dorne/Doran plan; why kill Myrcella, thus starting a war, and then send your son into the hornet's nest. I'd imagine Jaime will vouch for Trystane, and with Cersei no longer in power it becomes even more unlikely for him to face repercussions; Kevan wouldn't execute the boy.
Jaime will be able to corroborate the story: Doran and Trystane didn't want revenge, Ellarria did. They'll send a letter to Dorne demanding the arrest and execution of Ellaria, and I assume her and the Sank Snakes will disappear from the city before the letter arrives.
schlongdog
Banned
Theon, Sansa and Breinne head to Castle Black
Melisandre burns Theon, revives Jon
Melisandre burns Theon, revives Jon
Admiral Woofington
Member
got something wrong there.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
To be honest I'm disappointed with how weak they made Ramsay look that episode. I mean Ramsey Fookin' Bolton was introduced as a man who tracked people for sport, last weak he showed all he needed was 20 good men to cripple an entire army. Here he kills that entire army and he doesn't think it's important that he had no confirmation that the enemy general died? I really hope none of these glaring plot holes appear next season and that they give Ramsay eye lasers to compensate for this weakness, which was simply out of character.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Ramsay must play a mean game of Mount & Blade and/or Dark Souls
Great episode but what the hell was that Dorne scene? Stupid and dumb!
My biggest problem with the show is that it feels like D&D believe they have an obligation to tits, shock, and blood. That without those they can't make the show good. When honestly the show was always at its best when there was lots of rich dialogue to chew on and digest. I feel like they think we're all idiots watching a circus.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I'm thinking Ramsay killed all these guys while the guy on the horse just watched.
Guy on Horse:Ok m'lord, I'll go back to cam-
Ramsay: Oh no, you watch.
They're writing for the big masses, unfortunately.
schlongdog
Banned
That would work too, but why would Brienne take him to Castle Black?
toddhunter
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One thing the finale didn't clear up.
Littlefinger, master of spies who knows everything that is going on in the realm. However he somehow forgets that everybody else has spies as well and openly takes Sansa to the Boltons and then goes to the red keep to lie about something a simple raven could undo in seconds. This could be sent from a spy or the very people that are aligned with the Lannisters.
Has nobody thought to mention this marriage? Why doesn't Roose ring up Cersei and say "by the way, you probably know this but Littlefinger rocked up with Sansa ages ago. Just thought you should know, but no doubt you already do seeing as you own half the spies in the world and would want to keep an eye on your traitorous allies in the North. Also he had to travel all the way back after, which probably took a long, long time. k thx bye"
The whole North plot is a mess.
Those effects cost money though. Stannis isn't really worth the special effects.
Littlefinger, master of spies who knows everything that is going on in the realm. However he somehow forgets that everybody else has spies as well and openly takes Sansa to the Boltons and then goes to the red keep to lie about something a simple raven could undo in seconds. This could be sent from a spy or the very people that are aligned with the Lannisters.
Has nobody thought to mention this marriage? Why doesn't Roose ring up Cersei and say "by the way, you probably know this but Littlefinger rocked up with Sansa ages ago. Just thought you should know, but no doubt you already do seeing as you own half the spies in the world and would want to keep an eye on your traitorous allies in the North. Also he had to travel all the way back after, which probably took a long, long time. k thx bye"
The whole North plot is a mess.
Those effects cost money though. Stannis isn't really worth the special effects.
Pyramid head
Banned
The differentiating factor in the books is that Jon asks them to fuck the wall off entirely and assist in rescuing his sister and liberating his home. That's what even those who have seen the White Walkers witht their own eyes just can't get behind. In the show they have literally no reason at all, outside of:
"Remember when Jon came back with all those wildlings to help us fight the army of the dead? Well it's been 2 episodes since anyone seen the Walkers so I've changed my mind. Let's kill him out if spite, and we'll play a little trick on him and make a sign for it, it'll be a laugh."
You know as much as I'd hate for it to be true, Jon is probably just dead. Occam's razor and all. I'm holding out hope that Melisandre can conjure something up, but I don't know that I really believe it's a possibility. Seeing this scene play out in the show again really just confirmed my feelings.
You stay right there, nameless lap dog. You've known me as a Ironborn butcher for a long time, now watch me ascend to an OP Mannis Wrecking Deity.
Because that's where his Hand is, and they must figure that Melisandre went there. That's assuming that Stannis can do as he likes and Brienne doesn't force him to do some stupid shit.
Confirmed what? That he was stabbed to death, like in the books. Mel is clearly going to resurrect him.
Yeah book Jaime wouldn't have done that imo. Complete plausible deniability.
If someone should be brought back to life it would have to be Ned. And get rid of his naiveté in the process.
Admiral Woofington
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If jon dies they have nobody at the wall though. No fucking lead character to deal with white walkers. Unless they fucking male Sam the savior. Or ollie.
He would just get killed again by Ramsay and 20 good men.
OK so I watched it... and I think I'm straight in the middle in terms of reactions, which means I can't call anyone an idiot for liking what I don't like (or maybe I can call everyone an idiot?). Just joking of course.
Some things good and bad that I don't think were discussed that much
- Stephan Dillane was fucking amazing. Stannis scenes kinda sucked (although I liked the battle cut), but Dillane portrayed the character perfectly. You saw all you need to in his face.
- Is there anyway Jaime doesn't just turn the boat around and demand vengeance?
- All of Arya was great. The build-up to here reveal, the trippy face stuff, the blindness.
- Ending Sansa on a jump was stupid. Simply seeing her survive would increase hope x100.
- Well played with the Benjen stuff. We're never seeing him again are we?
The two complaints I can't relate to at ALL
- Cersei's walk being too long. That was the point as far as I'm concerned. In fact it was the only scene that was paced perfectly.
- The Dothraki coming out of nowhere. This trope is so damn common and it was executed fine. Don't see the problem with it at all.
I where my avatar with pride. Fuck Olly.
Also #teamstannislives #teamjonlives.
What could go wrong?
Some things good and bad that I don't think were discussed that much
- Stephan Dillane was fucking amazing. Stannis scenes kinda sucked (although I liked the battle cut), but Dillane portrayed the character perfectly. You saw all you need to in his face.
- Is there anyway Jaime doesn't just turn the boat around and demand vengeance?
- All of Arya was great. The build-up to here reveal, the trippy face stuff, the blindness.
- Ending Sansa on a jump was stupid. Simply seeing her survive would increase hope x100.
- Well played with the Benjen stuff. We're never seeing him again are we?
The two complaints I can't relate to at ALL
- Cersei's walk being too long. That was the point as far as I'm concerned. In fact it was the only scene that was paced perfectly.
- The Dothraki coming out of nowhere. This trope is so damn common and it was executed fine. Don't see the problem with it at all.
I where my avatar with pride. Fuck Olly.
Also #teamstannislives #teamjonlives.
What could go wrong?
toddhunter
Member
Seriously? You think the guy who gets a couple of stab wounds is really dead? The same guy who is central to pretty much everything that is happening in the North? The same guy who just saw the red women come back home for no apparent reason, just in time for him to die? The same women who can bring people back to life? The same guy who can come back to life, have no real ill effects such as head cut off and carry on with the story? The same guy who was tied to the nights watch until his death and so had nothing to really do but sit around commanding, but can now go off in the world and further the story? That guy?
You think that guy is really dead?
I'd disagree.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
I honestly have my doubts. We'd lose a POV at the head of the White Walker/Night's Watch/Wildling's conflict. Not to mention the importance of R+L=J. Wouldn't all that set up and speculation be a complete waste then? What about Melisandre herself and Azhor Azhai? Are we just dropping everything then? Even a show only person who pays attention should have his/her doubts. Also the reason's for killing him were lame, like killing the Lord Commander out of petty spite will solve all their problems with the many wildlings and walkers that are coming.
Well said. It feels cheap and juvenile. Not to mention a huge hurdle in getting people to appreciate the depth of the writing when all the show seems to care about is getting the audience's jollies off. Good god Tyene was annoying. But on the other hand the Walk of Shame was very well done and did not seem to be made with the purpose of titillation.
I know, it's just...we could have gotten the Riverlands. People keep saying it would make for bad TV, but why? Do people hate shows like The West Wing because there's lots of talking without action? Bleh, I remember when people used to recommend the show for political intrigue, though it seems like tits and Dragons won out.
I think trying to apply Occam's razor to a fantasy setting is highly dubious.
There is no way Jon is dead dead. If Jon is outright dead dead, I firmly believe Martin likely changed his plans for it when no one believed his ruse following Dance with Dragons.
Which is definitely a possibility. Martin seems like the kind of guy who would change his story up in order to surprise people and go against his original plans and end game.
Yeah well, there wouldn't be any winners, seeing as Ned would keep getting resurrected and Ramsay seems to be invincible, as well.
Shuggananas
Banned
Nah they just brought Mel to the wall 5 minutes before for shit and giggles I'm sure
That's what everyone is hoping for. But isn't the most realistic expectation that Jon simply bit up farther than he could chew and was punished for it paying the ultimate price. Look I want Jon to not be dead but there are so many uncertainties to him being resurrected. Mel being strong enough, she's never done this before has she....or did she in the show, I know Thoros resurrected Beric in the books?
Veritigo_X
Member
Good god at that "bad pussy" line. Literally everyone at my viewing party was groaning at that. Easily the worst bit of dialogue written for the show so far.
Shuggananas
Banned
So what if Jon actually wargs into Melisandre, 100% Azor Ahai.
A song of ice and fire.
A song of ice and fire.
Atraveller
Banned
#teamjonlives is pretty obvious, can't imagine it being any other way.
I think the Jon stabbing was handled somewhat poorly on the show. Done for a cheap reaction. I mean this does happen in the books too but there is much more foreshadowing. For example the wounds start to smoke in the book. Also in the book when Drogon is in the fighting pits its wounds start to smoke too. Too much of a connection to not mean anything.
Plus the nights watch burn their dead to send them on. I think Jon snow is dead now but will be reborn in the burning, freed from the vows. Similar to what happened to Dany being reborn in the first book.
Plus the nights watch burn their dead to send them on. I think Jon snow is dead now but will be reborn in the burning, freed from the vows. Similar to what happened to Dany being reborn in the first book.
Admiral Woofington
Member
They just showed us a revived zombie in the show.
schlongdog
Banned
Hah. I had someone at my viewing party turn to me and ask "what did she say?". All i could muster was to respond with "Please don't make me repeat her."
Apparently he thought she said "You need black pussy."
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