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[Anoregon]

That's what everyone is hoping for. But isn't the most realistic expectation that Jon simply bit up farther than he could chew and was punished for it paying the ultimate price. Look I want Jon to not be dead but there are so many uncertainties to him being resurrected. Mel being strong enough, she's never done this before has she....or did she in the show, I know Thoros resurrected Beric in the books?

She hasn't in the book, but it stands to reason if Thoros can (who was basically characterized as a wild drunk maniac), then an incredibly devout priestess capable of making shadow demons can probably pull it off.

 

[hoos30]

I know, it's just...we could have gotten the Riverlands. People keep saying it would make for bad TV, but why? Do people hate shows like The West Wing because there's lots of talking without action? Bleh, I remember when people used to recommend the show for political intrigue, though it seems like tits and Dragons won out.

It's because the only thing that happens is inside Jaime's head.

 

[munchie64]

Ok. I really wonder how 3 totally real photos leaked but absolutely no descriptions were real.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Eye twitch Pycelle drinking all that naked glorious body double.

 

[Kaladin]

I read the whole interview about Kit Harington being done. The first thing that came to my mind is, while yeah, that's a true wrap for him, Jon can still live on.

The Night's Watch burns their bodies so they don't become undead. They would most certainly burn Jon quickly, but not quick enough to avoid him warging into Ghost.

So Kit Harington may be true and done, but Jon Snow lives on.....in pog form.

 

[Barzul]

Fuck I didn't notice that. It does look like warging!

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

So what if Jon actually wargs into Melisandre, 100% Azor Ahai.

A song of ice and fire.

Arya's sent to assassinate Melisandre and Meljon kills her with Long Claw to forge Lightbringer.

Bam!

 

[Basileus777]

Fuck I didn't notice that. It does look like warging!

It's a photoshop.

 

[duckroll]

Fuck I didn't notice that. It does look like warging!

You didn't notice it because it didn't happen. That's a fake.

 

[Barzul]

It's a photoshop.

Oh I was like, how could I have missed that....thanks.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Definitely thought he was going to warg there even though, yeah, it wouldn't have made sense in the context of the show.

Instead, we get 10 seconds to watch the blood draining from his body!

My biggest problem with the show is that it feels like D&D believe they have an obligation to tits, shock, and blood. That without those they can't make the show good. When honestly the show was always at its best when there was lots of rich dialogue to chew on and digest. I feel like they think we're all idiots watching a circus.

I miss Season One.

 

[Gnome]

It's because the only thing that happens is inside Jaime's head.

Except not, he explicitly thinks aloud most of the time because he can in front of Ilyn Payne, can't see why show Jaime wouldn't confide equally in Bronn, he basically did this last season. Also, I'm fairly certain his taking back Riverrun wasn't in his head, nor were his talks with Blackfish, Edmure, and his aunt.

 

[Chance Hale]

Wasn't season 1 the same same season where two prostitutes fisted each other for 5 minutes while Littlefinger monologued?

 

[Deleted member 18827]

Ugh, the show is gonna be terrible next season. There were signs in season 4, but this year really showed DnD are hacks when they aren't working off source material. Watch the ratings dive towards the end of next season.

 

[Gattsu25]

I can see it now. Edd sneak's Jon's corpse to Melissandre and she promises she can bring him back.

She starts performing a ritual and it appears that nothing happened. Edd walks up to Jon and Jon reaches out, grabbing Edd's arm. Edd smiles and begins to cry at which point Jon opens his eyes and they are blue as ice and unseeing.

 

[Arkeband]

I read the whole interview about Kit Harington being done. The first thing that came to my mind is, while yeah, that's a true wrap for him, Jon can still live on.

The Night's Watch burns their bodies so they don't become undead. They would most certainly burn Jon quickly, but not quick enough to avoid him warging into Ghost.

So Kit Harington may be true and done, but Jon Snow lives on.....in pog form.

 

[Paganmoon]

Sand snakes killing Myrcella wasn't just out of revenge, you kill one of ours, we kill one of yours thing right? They want a war, an all out war.
Not exactly like Ellaria and Trystane were close, do you think the sand snakes would care if Trystane died, if it meant they would have their war to avenge Oberyn?

And I'll repeat my statement/question from a few pages back:

The immense amount of horsemen Stannis faces when he gets to Winterfell, it's his own army that's deserted and now fight for Boltons right? so it's not an army out of nowhere?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

So many fucking cliffhangers

The show doesn't show any hope for the watchers. Something the book does (LSH, Jon uttering Ghost, Northern Conspiracy, Varys's plans, Dorne plans)

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

The two complaints I can't relate to at ALL
- Cersei's walk being too long. That was the point as far as I'm concerned. In fact it was the only scene that was paced perfectly.
- The Dothraki coming out of nowhere. This trope is so damn common and it was executed fine. Don't see the problem with it at all.

I where my avatar with pride. Fuck Olly.

Also #teamstannislives #teamjonlives.
What could go wrong?

Yean, aside from obvious and distracting CG Lena head for the nude shots, I thought it was done about as well as it could be done. It needed to be long like that

 

[Anton Sugar]

Wasn't season 1 the same same season where two prostitutes fisted each other for 5 minutes while Littlefinger monologued?

Hey, I'm not saying the show was ever the pinnacle of TV, but I still feel like S1 was the most "complete" in terms of its story focus and the quality of its writing.

 

[Branduil]

Let's do this.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Hey, I'm not saying the show was ever the pinnacle of TV, but I still feel like S1 was the most "complete" in terms of its story focus and the quality of its writing.

Season 1 gave me false hope they were capable of adding some pretty good material. Nothing has ever matched that Robert and Cersei scene for me though.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Yean, aside from obvious and distracting CG Lena head for the nude shots, I thought it was done about as well as it could be done. It needed to be long like that

You thought the CG was obvious? I didn't think it was noticeable, though the hair over her face and tight shots on her head stuff were pretty obvious. I just know Lena Headey doesn't actually have huge tits like that, I found that more distracting haha.

 

[munchie64]

Yean, aside from obvious and distracting CG Lena head for the nude shots, I thought it was done about as well as it could be done. It needed to be long like that

Yep. Anyone know why it was like that? I'd hope it was Lena's choice at least, and they did the best they could.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Eh, i don't agree. We've seen plenty of shows with huge ratings fall off cliffs when viewers lose interest. I mean it happens all the time.

I expect the season premier to do gigantic ratings to find out what's up with Jon, and if its confirmed he's dead you'll also probably see a big decline

I'm out as well if Jon is dead for good. There was too much build up for his resurrection for it to be completely thrown away. If Martin thinks it's ok to dick around his readers and give us little to no payoff he's in for a surprise. I won't be buying or watching anything to do with Game of Thrones if he killed Jon off for good. The story would no longer be worthwhile entertainment for me. Life is stressful enough already. I don't read fiction to be emotionally battered and manipulated, I read it to escape and enjoy a good story with a fulfilling payoff.

 

[Barzul]

So many fucking cliffhangers

The show doesn't show any hope for the watchers. Something the book does (LSH, Jon uttering Ghost, Northern Conspiracy, Varys's plans, Dorne plans)

This is a very good point. I wonder if it's by design or it's just ineptitude on the part of the show runners.

 

[Ganzlinger]

If jon dies they have nobody at the wall though. No fucking lead character to deal with white walkers. Unless they fucking male Sam the savior. Or ollie.

Edd could be a great POV

 

[KiwiLannister]

I am probably a minority among book readers here but I really like the show and think it's doing a pretty reasonable. A few missteps here and there but on the whole it is very good.

However the one thing that disappointed me this season was Jaime's arc. I mean in the books Jaime is one of my favourite characters (hence my username). He has this sort of redemption arc going, he is finally starting to turn himself around and has become wiser and smarter.

In the show he's raped Cersei and now wasted his time in Dorne doing some stupid shit. I think Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is a great actor and perfect for Jaime, it's just a shame to see his arc become so terrible. Especially after how good he was through the first 3-4 seasons of the show.

Can't wait for season six. I blame the weird pacing etc this season solely on how terrible the source material is for books 4 and 5. I expect season 6 to be a return to form. There have been plenty of great moments this season though, especially Hardhome. Arya's arc is also interesting again now. And they've finally seemed to turn around the mess that was Mereen going forward.

I seriously hate GRRM's editor though, feel like what they did with books 4 and 5 was a pretty large scale effort to sabotage the series.

 

[Barzul]

Didn't GRRM say there were 4 characters who make it to the end or something along those lines. Did he actually name them?

Edit: Yeah found it http://www.cinemablend.com/televisi...in-Claimed-Would-Survive-His-Pitch-69880.html 5 not 4 and it was his original pitch of the books. I wonder how much of that conclusion changed as he's changed up quite a bit of what was originally planned as is.

 

[Gnome]

Shits getting fucked on mobile for me.

 

[Veritigo_X]

So many fucking cliffhangers

The show doesn't show any hope for the watchers. Something the book does (LSH, Jon uttering Ghost, Northern Conspiracy, Varys's plans, Dorne plans)

Wait, weren't Jon's last words in the show "Olly"?

:O

 

[Ganzlinger]

So many fucking cliffhangers

The show doesn't show any hope for the watchers. Something the book does (LSH, Jon uttering Ghost, Northern Conspiracy, Varys's plans, Dorne plans)

LF's and Euron's plans too. The rulers we deserve.

 

[Arkeband]

GRRM stated that Jon learns his parentage.

He can't do that if he's dead.

Therefore he's not dead.

/end

 

[Barzul]

Wait, weren't Jon's last words in the show "Olly"?

:O

Would be epic banter if this is becomes a thing. Bran has shown it's possible.

 

[RyanDG]

GRRM stated that Jon learns his parentage.

He can't do that if he's dead.

Therefore he's not dead.

/end

He meets Lyanna in heaven.

/dead.

 

[Branduil]

He meets Lyanna in heaven.

/dead.

The last book is all the dead characters in purgatory.

 

[RyanDG]

The last book is all the dead characters in purgatory.

Hopefully with crazy purgatory hijinks.

 

[Sickboy007]

Hopefully with crazy purgatory hijinks.

CLEGANEBOWL!

 

[Dreadnought]

Ugh, the show is gonna be terrible next season. There were signs in season 4, but this year really showed DnD are hacks when they aren't working off source material. Watch the ratings dive towards the end of next season.

Well aren't you a bundle of joy

 

[The Smoking Bun]

The last book is all the dead characters in purgatory.

And all the characters hug and forgive each other when they find that all that fighting was for naught as the White Walkers have wiped out Westeros

 

[Anoregon]

The last book is all the dead characters in purgatory.

 

[TimeEffect]

Shut up about the fucking books

What the fuck

 

[Ganzlinger]

Didn't GRRM say there were 4 characters who make it to the end or something along those lines. Did he actually name them?

Edit: Yeah found it http://www.cinemablend.com/televisi...in-Claimed-Would-Survive-His-Pitch-69880.html 5 not 4 and it was his original pitch of the books. I wonder how much of that conclusion changed as he's changed up quite a bit of what was originally planned as is.

These 4 guys:

 

[Anoregon]

Shut up about the fucking books

What the fuck

*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS*

 

[Gnome]

Shut up about the fucking books

What the fuck

Do you know what thread you're in?

 

[Chance Hale]

 

 

[Atraveller]

Let's do this.

"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams"

 

[Arkeband]

Shut up about the fucking books

What the fuck

Priceless.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

One thing I will say about the Dorne plot is that a lot of its scenes seemed pointless at first. But in hindsight, I think it was just that I didn't really believe the sand snakes would get Myrcella.

Know that we know her fate, the purpose of a lot of those scenes is much more clear. For instance, the Tyene/Bronn jailhouse scene at the time seemed like they just threw it in to meet HBO's TnA quota, but that scene actually was created to explain the poison that Myrcella is killed with.

 

[btrboyev]

There is simply no way Jon isn't coming back. They set him up too much and there isn't any male character lead other than Tyrion that is a good guy now other than Bran and who knows what that's about. If Stannis and Jon are truly dead, then as far as I'm concerned we have no more interesting characters or hero's. I'm not a fan of any of the other characters storylines right now. Dannies least of all.