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[DKehoe]

Me, too. I want to see Rhaegar, hear him, take in who and what he really was in his own life, his own time. I've read the D&E stories and TBH, I got bored, didn't even finish. Unpopular opinion, I know, but there it is. HBO, bring Rhaegar to life for me and I'm yours for eternity.

Seeing Rhaegar (along with the Kingsguard from that era) would be my main interest in a Robert's Rebellion series. Although I think he's a character that's best left to the imagination.

A Dunk & Egg, Blackfyre Rebellion or Dance of the Dragons miniseries is much more interesting to me. Although I'd prefer Dunk & Egg done as movies.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Arya is closer to Batman than Stannis.She's present when both parents died and has bumbed around the world anonymously in the company of various outlaws and scumbags before joining a group of super assassins for training.

Nah, Arya doesn't care about justice she cares about revenge. If anything she'd be a villain in the Batman universe, one of Ra's underlings.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Watchers staff roundtable on season 5

 

[biosnake20]

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/08/jon-snow-melisandre

What’s your overall impression of the season?

I think this is the first season I’ve topped Peter [Dinklage] in having the most shoot dates on the calendar. There’s a lot of Jon in there. I’m really proud of this season. I think across the board it’s going to be very, very strong. I watched The Sopranos, and season 5 was the favorite, and we were modeled after The Sopranos—so hopefully it will be a good one.

 

[methodman]

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/08/jon-snow-melisandre

hopefully he's talking about his eyes being closed with knifes protruding out of his body

 

[schlongdog]

Read that Sky Atlantic(UK) were going to air Season 5 at both 2AM GMT monday morning and 9PM GMT monday night.

According to TV guide though, it's only the later slot.

 

[pieatorium]

Nah, Arya doesn't care about justice she cares about revenge. If anything she'd be a villain in the Batman universe, one of Ra's underlings.

Batman didn't give a shit about justice till after he scammed the league of assassins into training him.

 

[Purkake4]

Reporting for duty in superior thread.

 

[Mxrz]

So if this season spoils the next book, whats going to be the etiquette on spoilers? There'll be the TV thread. The book Thread. Then the book + tv thread?

I'm full on board the Jon Snow hype train. One way or other, the book cliff hanger will be spoiled by July or so. Val wasn't cast, right? That sort of spoils the books a bit right there.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

So if this season spoils the next book, whats going to be the etiquette on spoilers? There'll be the TV thread. The book Thread. Then the book + tv thread?

I'm full on board the Jon Snow hype train. One way or other, the book cliff hanger will be spoiled by July or so. Val wasn't cast, right? That sort of spoils the books a bit right there.

Actually, I think it won't be solved.

I think S5 ends with Jon stabbing + Dany flying out on dragon (actual final scene)

 

[Mxrz]

I was thinking more about whether he's on the casting list for season six. In theory he could be left out of six and come back in seven, but not sure how feasible that would be from a production stand point.

 

[biosnake20]

I'd be pretty shocked if they actually left it on Jon getting stabbed. They'll hint at his revival in some way, probably with his eyes turning white or something like that.

 

[-griffy-]

So if this season spoils the next book, whats going to be the etiquette on spoilers? There'll be the TV thread. The book Thread. Then the book + tv thread?

I don't see why it would be any different than it ever has been. There's the TV show thread with UNMARKED BOOK SPOILERS (this thread), and the TV show thread with NO BOOK SPOILERS. Anything in the show is fair game in both threads the moment it airs live. If people don't want the show to spoil the books, then that is their prerogative to not watch the show and not participate in either TV show thread.

The only complication is the thread strictly for the book series, not the TV show, and there will have to be some consensus on what that entails I suppose.

 

[Iksenpets]

I was thinking more about whether he's on the casting list for season six. In theory he could be left out of six and come back in seven, but not sure how feasible that would be from a production stand point.

They can probably do some contractual shenanigans to get around having to list him. And we don't really know how long he'll be dead. If he's going to be out of commission for most of season 6, then that's less of a problem. The really hard part will be keeping any season 6 filming with Kit under wraps. They're going to have to like smuggle him onto set. Or maybe if he's in few enough season 6 scenes, they'll try to pass it off as flashbacks or just playing his corpse.

What if they introduced flashbacks this season entirely to give them cover when they need to do season 6 filming with Jon, lol.

I'd be pretty shocked if they actually left it on Jon getting stabbed. They'll hint at his revival in some way, probably with his eyes turning white or something like that.

I was in the same boat, but the more that's come out the more I think they're going with the full cliffhanger. Jon's death and the Pink Letter and the unresolved battle. They've hyped up a Red Wedding level tragedy, implied that there's a Roose vs. Stannis battle where someone may die, but at the same time have said that they're not going full spoiler this season. I don't think there's any way to resurrect Jon or to show the battle without crossing the line into major spoilers, so I think they're actually going to end on Stannis preparing for battle, then Jon getting the letter and getting stabbed. Then show the battle and the aftermath of the stabbing next season.

 

[schlongdog]

They can probably do some contractual shenanigans to get around having to list him. And we don't really know how long he'll be dead. If he's going to be out of commission for most of season 6, then that's less of a problem. The really hard part will be keeping any season 6 filming with Kit under wraps. They're going to have to like smuggle him onto set. Or maybe if he's in few enough season 6 scenes, they'll try to pass it off as flashbacks or just playing his corpse.

What if they introduced flashbacks this season entirely to give them cover when they need to do season 6 filming with Jon, lol.

Or, they avoid all of that by doing it early next season, bringing him back at the end of the season

 

[Orbis Tabula]

I'm pretty excited for this season. It'll be the first time in a little bit that I'll be surprised by the show again, and I like that. When I first watched the show, I hadn't read any of the books. Then, slowly, I started reading them, caught up with the show around the Red Wedding, then passed it. Now that we're heading into uncharted territories, I'm excited for book spoilers to happen. I have more fun watching shocking revelations with friends when none of us no what's coming.

 

[Iksenpets]

Or, they avoid all of that by doing it early next season, bringing him back at the end of the season

This was actually what I thought was going to happen, but I think they've hinted at Jon's death enough now that I think it's happening this season.

 

[DrForester]

Dinklage was on the Daily Show last night.

Mentioned that George is writing the books and the audience laughed thinking it was a joke.
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/2i2h2k/peter-dinklage

Or, they avoid all of that by doing it early next season, bringing him back at the end of the season

Still won't be able to hide him being on set.

 

[DrForester]

bah...

 

[schlongdog]

This was actually what I thought was going to happen, but I think they've hinted at Jon's death enough now that I think it's happening this season.

Oh I hope they do, for me that's where they should end the season

 

[Partition]

Hardhome ep 8, Jons death in ep 9, brought back in ep 10

My guess

 

[methodman]

Hardhome ep 8, Jons death in ep 9, brought back in ep 10

My guess

hopefully he dies ep 5 and ep 6-10 are brand new winds of winter stuff haha. book readers would be so pissed

 

[Snuggles]

I won't name it and risk spoiling anyone, but an important character seemingly being fatally stabbed at the end of a season, only to have their survival revealed by casting/previews would be very reminiscent of another tv show I watched recently.

 

[Exterminieren]

Hardhome ep 8, Jons death in ep 9, brought back in ep 10

My guess

Agreed.

Either they resolve the cliffhanger this year, or they entirely leave it to next season. Trying to trick the audience into believing that he's dead in between seasons is a non-starter.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

We get very few leaks for Winterfell/Wall stuff because of their shooting locations. If they want to keep it secret they can certainly try it.

Though I guess overall the ep 8/9/10 thing above makes more sense. In that case the last scene of the season should be his resurrection.

 

[bengraven]

I'm not excited.

Spoiler

Yes I am.

WOW spoilers for the lose.

Spoiler

Thank God for B and B for letting us get the story in a timely manner.

 

[BobTheFork]

Agreed.

Either they resolve the cliffhanger this year, or they entirely leave it to next season. Trying to trick the audience into believing that he's dead in between seasons is a non-starter.

Why? I actually thought Jon would die and then not be in next season to drive home the point. Maybe come back in the cliff hanger of NEXT season. I don't think they are going to swerve people into thinking he is dead just to bail out so soon.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Do we even have confirmation from GRRM that Jon will be resurrected?

 

[Chris R]

Hardhome ep 8, Jons death in ep 9, brought back in ep 10

My guess

Dead early Ep 10 and brought back in the stinger (or whatever you want to call the very last scene of the season).

 

[NeoGiff]

We get very few leaks for Winterfell/Wall stuff because of their shooting locations. If they want to keep it secret they can certainly try it.

Though I guess overall the ep 8/9/10 thing above makes more sense. In that case the last scene of the season should be his resurrection.

See, that makes sense logistically, but you have to remember that Kit has to stay somewhere in Belfast. He also has to eat and socialise with other cast members. Someone somewhere would see him, and that would be that.

That's actually how we definitively knew Thorne was coming back for season 5 (even though it was pretty obvious he didn't die in season 4). He was photographed by fans while out with other cast members.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Do we even have confirmation from GRRM that Jon will be resurrected?

I remember a from an interview a while back he was asked why he killed Jon and he replied, "Oh, you think he's dead?" or something similar. Obviously not confirmation one way or another but it's something. I'll see if I can find the exact quote.

Found it: http://www.ew.com/article/2011/07/21/dance-with-dragons-shocking-twist-g

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: So why did you kill Jon Snow?
GEORGE R.R. MARTIN: Oh, you think he’s dead, do you?

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Was Jon's "death" even meant to be a cliffhanger, or was his resurrection in one of the many chapters cut from ADWD?

 

[PhoenixDark]

Was Jon's "death" even meant to be a cliffhanger, or was his resurrection in one of the many chapters cut from ADWD?

I think it was meant as a cliffhanger. But then again, the ADWD manuscript at Texas A&M shows a Bran chapter was cut from the end of the book; iirc it was to be placed before Dany's last chapter, and before Jon's last chapter. I suppose it's possible that chapter would revolve around something about Jon, be it reviving him or revealing something.

The cliffhangers in the last two books were pretty weak IMO. Some work well, like Davos' last chapter in ADWD as well as Arianne's last AFFC chapter. Both really set up interesting tastes of what is to come. Whereas Brienne uttering a word while being hung, or Jon slowly fading out...just seem cheap to me, and aren't satisfying as climaxes.

 

[bengraven]

I think it was meant as a cliffhanger. But then again, the ADWD manuscript at Texas A&M shows a Bran chapter was cut from the end of the book; iirc it was to be placed before Dany's last chapter, and before Jon's last chapter. I suppose it's possible that chapter would revolve around something about Jon, be it reviving him or revealing something.

The cliffhangers in the last two books were pretty weak IMO. Some work well, like Davos' last chapter in ADWD as well as Arianne's last AFFC chapter. Both really set up interesting tastes of what is to come. Whereas Brienne uttering a word while being hung, or Jon slowly fading out...just seem cheap to me, and aren't satisfying as climaxes.

Is it weird that since we already got the "controversial chapter" that this is the one I'm looking forward to next?

 

[Dysun]

Is it weird that since we already got the "controversial chapter" that this is the one I'm looking forward to next?

No, I'd say the next chapter at the wall and Bran's are probably some of the most anticipated. Along with the Battles of Ice and Fire

 

[PhoenixDark]

Is it weird that since we already got the "controversial chapter" that this is the one I'm looking forward to next?

Bran? Yea...I definitely want to read it. There are so many possibilities. It could be about Jon, or it could show the Stannis/Frey battle (weirdwood+ravens viewing the battle). It could confirm Jojen is dead...all types of shit. It's interesting that the show is cool with going past all the other characters' book progression except for Bran.

My most anticipated arc is the northern battle, with Davos' journey being #2 I think.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I think it was meant as a cliffhanger. But then again, the ADWD manuscript at Texas A&M shows a Bran chapter was cut from the end of the book; iirc it was to be placed before Dany's last chapter, and before Jon's last chapter. I suppose it's possible that chapter would revolve around something about Jon, be it reviving him or revealing something.

Thanks for the info. I didn't know a Bran chapter was cut. Interesting...

 

[nelsonroyale]

Definitely. If we were discussing ACOK era Stannis sure, I'd agree he'd be a horrible ruler. But by the end of ADWD he is a quite impressive leader, and the best candidate for the throne. The compromises he makes with the northern lords/army...he'd never do that in ACOK, or even in the early portion of ASOS. And most importantly, he recognizes the true threat to the realm. Now to be fair we don't know how Dany would react to the threat, or if she'd essentially withdraw from the Iron Throne war to address it.

Meanwhile Dany has gotten worse as a ruler. She refuses good council, is not decisive, ignores information she doesn't like, etc etc. Basically...a lot of the stuff Stannis did in ACOK/ASOS.

In short Stannis is the best. And I think he's about to pull off one of the most impressive military victories we've seen since the start of the war.

Eh, overall Dany has come much further than Stannis and has a more powerful military force by far, if she can gather it together. She is also much more vitality as a character.

 

[Lord Couture]

BryndenBFish has a great theory on the Bran chapter that was cut from ADWD: It's a chapter of Bran skinchanging into a raven to provide us a literal bird's eye view of the Battle of Ice. It would make a lot of sense sinse a warged raven (and/or weirwood tree) would have a much better perspective on the battle than Asha and Theon who are both prisoners. Therefore, when GRRM and his editor to move the battles into TWOW, he had to cut the Bran chapter as well.

 

[jett]

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/08/jon-snow-melisandre

yay...

 

[IAmtheFMan]

Seth Meyers Brings Jon Snow to a Dinner Party

Every time I see a GAF OT "I'm at a party and I hate it" thread, I kinda imagine something like this.

 

[Wray]

So this is gonna be the first year I don't have hbo for GoT via Direct TV. What's going to be the easiest way for me to watch? Can I use Amazon? How soon until the episodes show up there to buy?

 

[RatskyWatsky]

So this is gonna be the first year I don't have hbo for GoT via Direct TV. What's going to be the easiest way for me to watch? Can I use Amazon? How soon until the episodes show up there to buy?

HBO Now?

 

[Speevy]

I'll have to give it to Kit Harrington. The man can't act, but at least he has a sense of humor.

 

[-griffy-]

So this is gonna be the first year I don't have hbo for GoT via Direct TV. What's going to be the easiest way for me to watch? Can I use Amazon? How soon until the episodes show up there to buy?

Game of Thrones won't go to Amazon or iTunes until the Blu-ray of the season comes out. Without an HBO cable subscription your best legal route is HBO Now or HBO on SlingTV.

 

[Loke13]

I'll have to give it to Kit Harrington. The man can't act, but at least he has a sense of humor.

Pre Season 4 I would have agreed with you. But he kicked ass all throughout his scenes.

 

[RobotChant]

Whether Jon Snow dies or not shouldn't be spoiler for book readers. Only the dimmest of readers expect Jon to die. The author of the Pink Letter would be the more interesting spoiler. Is there any info regarding the show doing the Pink Letter angle?

The moment Jon gets stabbed will be a huge shock to show only watchers if done right. How to hide Kit in the off-season shouldn't be of any concern. If people find out he's coming back next season, it's not going to ruin the moment.

 

[Atraveller]

Do we even have confirmation from GRRM that Jon will be resurrected?

I thought that was already a given.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

he kicked ass all throughout his scenes.

Stunt wise, or emoting wise?

 

[Loke13]

Stunt wise, or emoting wise?

Both. He emoted a hell of a lot more then the previous 3. His scene with the Knights Watch council in S4E1 stood out like a sore thumb among the rest of his scenes previously.