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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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BreezyLimbo
Banned
Reading some of the last posts
there was nothing to infer that the person shown at the tree was the night king
nothing at all
even bran says 'You created the white walkers'
not
'You created the Night King'.
that hot take is even worse than time traveling
all things considered, the Night King might as well be a different species than a white walker.
Atomic Odin
Member
Well tbf they were fighting in a slightly isolated area. If they wanted they could easily edit in that few wights died in a far enough area when Jon offed that WW . Or maybe that WW never reanimated any corpses.
Except, you know, the actor who played that guy is the same guy they recast the Knights King with.
And there definitely a trackable logic that the Night's King, leader of the Walkers, could be the first walker.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
yeah and the actor who played Tommen Lannister also played his cousin Martyn Lannister for a couple episodes.
Oh no conspiracy Tommen was Martyn all along in a whacky prince and the pauper scenario where the real Tommen was beheaded by Karstark and Martyn took his place.
Who the actor is, in a masked role no less, is literally irrelevant.
Like until Bran says 'THE FIRST WHITE WALKER WAS THE NIGHT KING' or some bullshit, I will not accept that the NIght King is the first white walker because that is cliched and cheesy as all hell.
https://youtu.be/X9Jsj9V_Aqg?t=209
The creators of the show say it themselves. There is nothing subversive on this show, what you see is what you get.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
FUCK THE SHOW
blah
well I'm wrong. Now I hope Martin finishes those non existent books because I'm sure he won't accept that either.
Funny you should mention that. I was talking to a friend about Logan Lucky today and he was talking about this: http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/in-praise-of-logan-luckys-very-good-game-of-thrones-joke.html
Looooooooooool.
The exact same time they recast the Night's King, they had that actor tied to a tree being turned into a walker. The exact EPISODE.
This is not rocket science, dude.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
yes I'm wrong have your cake
the books will show the night king for what he really is
bran
nelsonroyale
Member
That was such a crap reveal in the series...Supposedly the series' major antagonists and they gets a five second backstory reveal. Oh, and he is not pure evil...Ambiguity! Complexity!
Anyway, if anything the WW seemed pretty bland in their violence next to the sadistic cruelty of many of the human characters...So I don't know where this 'they are/are not pure evil' schtick comes from. I mean even up until this point, even though they clearly have [some] power, they have zero interesting motivation apart from 'Argh the dead hate the living...!' Though the NK at least seems to have will and sentience and seems pretty living in any effective sense to me...
BreezyLimbo
Banned
its why I hate the idea that the first white walker also happens to be a night king and is a random human
ugh
ugggh
save us martin finish your damn book
Ah shit, I forgot all about the lead zombie's origins story. I wonder if this and the lord of light will be expounded on in season 8 in a meaningful way.
EDIT: while we're on the subject, are Craster's babies the lieutenants, on of whom Jon just captured?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
The lord of light is probably the first guy ever who got set on fire
Melisandre will meet up with bran
"oh bran let me show you the origin of the lord of light"
then they get teleported to the past and bran sees this dumbass get set on fire and then the lord of light is born and fuck you, show!
Melisandre will meet up with bran
"oh bran let me show you the origin of the lord of light"
then they get teleported to the past and bran sees this dumbass get set on fire and then the lord of light is born and fuck you, show!
I look forward to it being the exact same in the book but instead it's the creation of the Great Other. D&D never wanted to use the name Others in the show so Great Other wouldn't make sense to viewers so they just lifted the name Night's King onto this character and changed it to Night King because it sounded cool.
Oldest Snake
Member
HeavenlyStriker
Member
man dany wants jons D soo baad.
dont worry dany. hes not too lowborn for u
dont worry dany. hes not too lowborn for u
Jon and Dany stay losing. You mean to tell me the zombie Jon got was the lowliest grunt who just happened to be from a different squad so he didn't fall apart when everyone else did? pfft. I thought there was at least one more step to the hierarchy.
I also half expected they wouldn't be able to turn the dragon because the lord of light or maybe the dragon's nature would impede them, guess not.
Atraveller
Banned
Moonboy is fucking with writing schedule for all I know...
BrassDragon
Member
I always assumed the Others were an older race of creatures, like the Children of the Forest, not bewitched First Men. And like the Children, they tried to coexist with and handle the encroaching Men to their detriment, which is why there are only a few left.
The twist that they're humans turned by magic seems out of step with the way Martin portrays morality - they're bound to have their own motivation and objectives that are reasonable from their POV, like every other major force in the books.
Think there is a theory going around that the First Men or the Andals broke some sort of convenant which prompted the Others to declare war on humanity. The information we have is pretty thin but I'd be very surprised if Martin turns the White Walkers into another mindless evil as the series seems to do.
I think this was heavily implied in the books, yeah. The Others is just some ancient race of creatures, not made by anyone.
Oldest Snake
Member
In Jon's defence, capturing a wight is what Jon intended. But yes, all they brought back was a regular reanimated corpse that we have to assume was brought back by someone other than the WW Jon killed. There's no other 'level' in their army as far as we're aware. Night's King =/= White Walkers > Wights
TastyBread
Member
I thought the Others & the great Other are an antitheses to Rhlor / lord of light. But then I've also heard the WW's described as more of a force of nature, with no agenda.
Guess TWoW will reveal a good bit!
in a few years time 
Just got back home from a totality spot and caught up.
Fuck this episode and fuck Thor: The Dark World. Write us at least one more goddamn book, GRRM, so that this fanfiction garbage can be erased from memory. And showrunners, prostrate yourself before your lord and savior Miguel Sapochnik and shower him with money until he agrees to save your asses in the final season.
Fuck this episode and fuck Thor: The Dark World. Write us at least one more goddamn book, GRRM, so that this fanfiction garbage can be erased from memory. And showrunners, prostrate yourself before your lord and savior Miguel Sapochnik and shower him with money until he agrees to save your asses in the final season.
TastyBread
Member
If this season finale wraps up Cersei vs Dany and leaves season 8 for the living vs the dead, the pacing could be alright and things could be spaced out better. That + the loveliness that is Miguel could send GoT out on a bang, fingers crossed!
Cant say im looking forward to the prospect of killing the NK and having his entire army crumble, he's not a vampire
Based on commentary and such from past seasons, they'll need to offer Sapochnik some biiiiig money to come back. Sounds like he had a hell of an experience with these guys. Luckily he was still able to pull out some of the best shit this series will ever know, but hell, I'm not surprised he didn't come back for this season.
Oldest Snake
Member
That's Melisandre's take on things but she could be wrong.
What's interesting is that in her visions she sees Bran & the Three Eyes Raven as the champions of The Great Other which if correct puts him in direct opposition to Jon.
What? That's the opposite of what he has said. He was at the Comicon panel last year and said he's hoping to do season 8. He loves the show.
If this season finale wraps up Cersei vs Dany and leaves season 8 for the living vs the dead, the pacing could be alright and things could be spaced out better. That + the loveliness that is Miguel could send GoT out on a bang, fingers crossed!
Cant say im looking forward to the prospect of killing the NK and having his entire army crumble, he's not a vampire
Since when do vampires work that way? He's more like the big command ship in The Phantom Menace.
Sanctuary
Member
It's a pretty common trope.
The victims of vampires don't "crumble", but they lose vampirism and somehow end up alive again. Apparently killing the head vampire will cause a chain reaction and cure everyone he's bitten and who they've bitten down the line. Of course it doesn't work like that with every show related to vampirism, but it's pretty popular. On The Originals, instead of being cured though, everyone simply dies.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Night King is more like a Lich. Stays in the back as ranged support, has all the magic buffs
SuperEpicMan
Banned
I figure thats the way she wants it.
Perhaps she has adopted the style
TastyBread
Member
I don't remember that!, but if the children made them and the three eyed raven/bran work with the remaining children then that could work haha.
The children fought the others with the first men of the nights watch. But then GRRM has said that there could be more to the relationship between thee children & the others.
Sanctuary
Member
I thought it was most likely a) they just wanted her to have a new look finally, especially one that differs now that she's in total control and b) it reminds her of what she went through in the sept and who came out on top, and who ended up incinerated.
And I'm here just wondering what the role of Patchface in all of this is.
Didn't GRRM say that the Others are the same as the global warning in our world? A force of nature?
Oldest Snake
Member
You can make the argument that they can represent man-made climate change and still be creations of the CotF. I think the comparison has a lot more to do with the inaction of the living, rather than their specific origins.
The hard part for me is figuring out where the Great Other fits into the CotF/WW situation. Did they know what they were doing when they made the White Walkers or did 'he' just take control of their creation after the fact. If they did knowingly tap into the Great Other's power why are they now helping the Three Eyed Raven/Bran and how does that tie into Mel's vision of them being his champions?
hydrophilic attack
Member
cersei's pixie cut is ❤❤❤😍😍😘😋
It was the best of episodes.
It was the worst of episodes.
I am both amazed and appalled. The episode was filled with wild and unforgettable moments, but they clumsily stumbled to them instead of eloquently building them up. So many things just plain didn't make sense. I want to like a flying exploding dragon, but the surrounding elements are taking me out of it.
That said, I'm very curious to see what happens next episode. The season has set up some captivating conflicts, and it's hard to see how all of them get resolved in what, eight or nine episodes?
It was the worst of episodes.
I am both amazed and appalled. The episode was filled with wild and unforgettable moments, but they clumsily stumbled to them instead of eloquently building them up. So many things just plain didn't make sense. I want to like a flying exploding dragon, but the surrounding elements are taking me out of it.
That said, I'm very curious to see what happens next episode. The season has set up some captivating conflicts, and it's hard to see how all of them get resolved in what, eight or nine episodes?
Sanctuary
Member
This season was seven, so next Sunday is the finale. Next season is supposed to be six.
She's chosen to keep her hair that way. Sort of like taking ownership of what they used to humiliate her. And it makes thematic sense since Cersei has always wished she was born a man. This may be her way of projecting more masculine energy, and looking like her twin.
And it appears many of the women in King's Landing have cut their hair too, as if the queen has inspired a new style.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
Cersei's short hair makes her look more like Joffrey.
BrassDragon
Member
I recall him liking the distracted and passive response to the Others to the way we deal with climate change (too wrapped up in our petty struggles to see the larger existential threat), not sure he directly compared them to an event rather than a race... but who knows after decades of appearances and interviews?
Huh, what are those comments then? It'd be great if he could come back for the final season.
At any rate, looking at making of footage I'd think doing a couple of these blockbuster/mega eps is pretty draining. That's why I'm not surprised D&D want to wrap things up asap.
On the other hand, what I expected but never happened, is that they stepped down as main writers and maybe had an overall showrunner role without penning as many scripts... They're still even the main writers after all this time, I expected that after 3 or 4 seasons they would've given away way more eps to guest writers or staff.