Upper body strength regulates men’s assertion of self-interest, say social scientists

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You're not missing out. It's the most overrated. Rib Eye on the other hand omnomnomnom

I remember liking it when my mom bought like half a cow from some butcher, but I think it might have been mainly because of the bacon surrounding it giving it more flavor. IIRC it was very tender but pretty bland. Definitely not bad, but not worth the insane price.
 
Not entirely related to this study, but the talk of government regulation of soda got me thinking. Exercise in regards to upper body strength is quite different than health related to soda or junk food. You don't have to have great upper body strength to be healthy. I would be interested to see who has better initiative in losing weight and not eating unhealthy food. Right leaning or left leaning people. Controlled of course for income. Junk food being cheap certainly means people of any political persuasion will eat it.
 
Not entirely related to this study, but the talk of government regulation of soda got me thinking. Exercise in regards to upper body strength is quite different than health related to soda or junk food. You don't have to have great upper body strength to be healthy. I would be interested to see who has better initiative in losing weight and not eating unhealthy food. Right leaning or left leaning people. Controlled of course for income. Junk food being cheap certainly means people of any political persuasion will eat it.

Losing weight, I dunno. Liberals definitely seem thinner than conservatives overall. In portland everyone is thin, and I live across the street from a supermarket. I get to see tons of hot moms walking to and fro, it's awesome.
 
Social security and tax returns are comparable to foodstamps how?

With Social Security people pay in only one third of the amount of money they get back with each check. Instead of opening up a significant savings account or a 401k you instead rely on other people paying for your lavish life style. This includes people who already have a significant savings account, 401k, and even a pension and welloff kids. This alone costs as much, if not more, than all of welfare combined. The amount of people who get government money when they're elderly who could have otherwise not use it is ridiculous. And its not like its impossible to have a modern economy without social security, just look at Singapore where the children take care of the grandparents and/or they work for a living.

Tax Returns are also ridiculous. There is no such thing as "tax returns". Whatever you got taxed is how much you were suppose to get taxed. Tax "returns" is merely to give people money back that the government feels like you didn't meet the threshold of getting taxed. This includes thing like child credits (Why should I pay for you for having children? It was your choice to have them!), deductible on loans (why should I help pay for money you decided to take out?), territory purchases (if you can't afford the house then don't buy it), even something as stupid as quiting smoking complies. Much of tax returns revolve around giving people money for lifestyle choices they don't. An enormous amount of these people can do fine without these checks, why give it to them. Its even more ridiculous when some people have to PAY extra in taxes. Essentially having all that income further taken for them to support these lifestyle decisions of people who decided to have children, purchase a house when they couldn't afford to, or quit smoking when they should have never started in the first place.

Both these programs dwarf food stamps in the amount of unnecessary money given out for people who didn't put in work. The ONLY difference is that these are things that many people use so they don't feel guilty. I guess you can say "to stimulate the economy" but food stamps are one of the biggest stimulus's the economy has.

Better than starving, yes?

Want better food? Make more.

Want better house? Make more.

Want better stuff? Make more.

But no, your alternative is "gimme gimme gimme."
I love it how you say "make more" as if all these people need to do is apply for their local managerial positions or STEM jobs and they will magically get them. Especially in a recession with high unemployment. And again "gimme gimme gimme"? I would imagine how you would feel if I completely took away all of your tax return income or your social security investment in the future. Are you a college student like many people here? Should I take away your federal grants? When I use to work as an RA at my college I would often see plenty of kids some how magically being able to "afford" expensive products right when school season came around. Macbooks, iPads, HDTVs, you name it. Should we lower the bar on federal grants because many people don't use the money toward what it should be used for? Shouldn't these things only be reserved for people who need them? If you want childcare tax credits or property credits just work more.

Buy that brown rice and chicken. Same money going the same place, "fool," as you so elegantly put it.

Wait what? That's a horrible idea. Then all the gains from this would only go to two products and two types of farmers, distribution, etc.

I actually know someone who is what I'd call "culturally" conservative, who is on the physically dominant / powerful side. The interesting thing is their mix of views and feelings:

- Wouldn't vote republican now, sees modern republicans as idiots
- Would support some socially liberal stances based on civil rights, like gay marriage
- Extremely economically conservative, lives by the "sweat of a man's brow" philosophy
- Thinks all wealth redistribution is evil and literally against human nature

Funny enough this individual rants about the poor and public assistance all the time, especially on the subject of food stamps. Hates that people can use foodstamps to buy food that is anything other than what he'd consider basic animal subsistence. Their reasoning: everything "good" in life must be justly earned with personal labor only. Happiness is your reward for being a winner and a leader in society. You don't deserve to live well or basically have fun if you didn't earn it within a capitalistic free market structure - which happens to be the most just and fair structure ever invented by man.

I knew someone just like this. The difference is that he was on military unemployment solely by choice as he "made more money" that way.
 
Haha, I know where you were inspired to post this study, Ripclawe. I considered posting it as well, though I figured "Eh, this is going to rustle many jimmies here. Maybe someone like Ripclawe will do it first."

Anyway, I would state, as the study does, the comparison is more so between physical strength and "individualism," as opposed to a more broad "political conservatism." From the study, being physically stronger generally means you have the ability to rely much less on the government.

For many outside of gaming forums, this study is kind of stating the obvious. However, I understand this comparison really hits many guys on the left-side of the political spectrum to their cores, as it essentially implies "you believe in many of your ideals because you're weak." And that also explains why many are pretending to not understand the study's hypothesis, as understandably, really no guy, straight or gay, likes to be viewed as a "pussy."

Nevertheless, I'd say one's mental strength can easily compensate for lack of physical strength and then some, as far as being able to live a more independent life. Then again, envy of physical strength and individualism of others can limit one's potential mental strength as well.

No it doesn't. Did you read quotes from the study posted in this thread?
 
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