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[Drinky Crow]

From the Cato Institute:

hahahahahahahahaha

*wipes tears from eyes* The fucking CATO INSTITUTE! There isn't enough lol in all of the roflmines of Lmaoistan to express how funny citing the Cato Institute as a rebuttal to a claim of skewed data points is.

Conservatives are living proof of their own argument that we can spend money on education and get no practical results.

 

[HokieJoe]

What's up with those pics dude? I can't enlarge those (well, it's not like I'm going to look at them anyway).

What did you think you would achieve with this thread? Maybe that's the problem with some of you Americans. You want to get worshipped by everyone. As long as America keeps on giving and doing the right stuff (they're not doing the right stuff, btw) then, you will gain gratitude from people around the world automagically.

Having said that, I believe the American people are just as noble and kind as any other people on the planet. It's the American government that's the problem here, bub.

What does one want to achieve with any thread? Are you saying that as long as I post a thread that agrees with your position, whatever that may be, then it's OK?

Personally, I don't want to get worshipped by anyone, entity, municipality, government, country, or continent. I just think that it's fair to present both sides of the issue.

So to summarize, I posted a statistic about the amount of donations given to Africa vs. Europe. People chimed in, saying so what, "what about you're own destitute".

I responded in kind.

 

[HokieJoe]

hahahahahahahahaha

*wipes tears from eyes* The fucking CATO INSTITUTE! There isn't enough lol in all of the roflmines of Lmaoistan to express how funny citing the Cato Institute as a rebuttal to a claim of skewed data points is.

Conservatives are living proof of their own argument that we can spend money on education and get no practical results.

Uhhh, OK.

And where was the part that I said I was a conservative?

 

[Ruzbeh]

What does one want to achieve with any thread? Are you saying that as long as I post a thread that agrees with your position, whatever that may be, then it's OK?

Personally, I don't want to get worshipped by anyone, entity, municipality, government, country, or continent. I just think that it's fair to present both sides of the issue.

So to summarize, I posted a statistic about the amount of donations given to Africa vs. Europe. People chimed in, saying so what, "what about you're own destitute".

I responded in kind.

Well, with threads you can discuss and gain knowledge and everything. And certain threads are just there for shits and giggles.

Anyway. You say you responded in kind, you say you think it's fair to present both sides, but why? So you can feel better about yourself knowing that other people know both sides of the issue? For shits and giggles? Or because deep down inside you just want to be thanked or feel appreciated because your tired of anti-American bullshit?

 

[fart]

Uhhh, OK.

And where was the part that I said I was a conservative?

so conservatives aren't the only ones who can't read. i see.. very interesting. i will tabulate this data and get back you.

 

[Drinky Crow]

Where was the part where *I* said you were?

Last I checked, the Cato Institute was a major conservative / capital "L" Libertarian think tank.

If you're a free market moralist -- basically, a pseudo-libertarian -- feel free to assume I included you in my mockery.

If you're a liberal and don't know what the Cato Institute is, likewise.

 

[HokieJoe]

Well, with threads you can discuss and gain knowledge and everything. And certain threads are just there for shits and giggles.

Anyway. You say you responded in kind, you say you think it's fair to present both sides, but why? So you can feel better about yourself knowing that other people know both sides of the issue? For shits and giggles? Or because deep down inside you just want to be thanked or feel appreciated because your tired of anti-American bullshit?

:lol

Jesus carimba man, stop it with psychoanalytical crap- I was psyche major.

I see a lot of negative shit on this board about America. Being an American, it pisses me off to see stuff which I consider to be one-side at times. Therefore I think it's fair to present both sides. Would you not do the same if you felt that your country, or your family, or your person were being unfairly at times denigrated?

 

[ronito]

I see a lot of negative shit on this board about the Bush administration.

Fixed. You can thank me later.

 

[Ruzbeh]

:lol

Jesus carimba man, stop it with psychoanalytical crap- I was psyche major.

I see a lot of negative shit on this board about America. Being an American, it pisses me off to see stuff which I consider to be one-side at times. Therefore I think it's fair to present both sides. Would you not do the same if you felt that your country, or your family, or your person were being unfairly at times denigrated?

HAHA IT WORKED

And by the way, that was hardly psychoanalytical. I mean, it was very basic. I was just asking what your motives are! And how you feel about certain stuff. Is all. See? I care. Yes. I do.

 

[lexy]

Where was the part where *I* said you were?

Last I checked, the Cato Institute was a major conservative / capital "L" Libertarian think tank.

If you're a free market moralist -- basically, a pseudo-libertarian -- feel free to assume I included you in my mockery.

If you're a liberal and don't know what the Cato Institute is, likewise.

I realize that the majority of posters here are liberals that openly mock conservative point of views but I'm not going to take issue with them based on my personal views (or at least try not to). It's pretty much pointless and I don't care enough about what you think.

See the second part that I bolded. Religious missionaries can have some pretty big strings attached as well.

Okay, I already mentioned that in the quote you quoted.

 

[HokieJoe]

Where was the part where *I* said you were?

Last I checked, the Cato Institute was a major conservative / capital "L" Libertarian think tank.

If you're a free market moralist -- basically, a pseudo-libertarian -- feel free to assume I included you in my mockery.

If you're a liberal and don't know what the Cato Institute is, likewise.

Given this quote,

Conservatives are living proof of their own argument that we can spend money on education and get no practical results.

and the overall tone of your post, I assumed you were talking about me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Now to your points. Whether the Cato Institute a conservative, libertarian, or liberally-inclined think tank should not detract from the data in and of itself. There's no reason to poison the well so to speak.

No matter the source, the assertions should be gauged on their merit alone, no?

 

[Drinky Crow]

I don't care enough about what you think.

You most certainly do -- otherwise, why post? Because you like to see your ASCII scratch onscreen?

Man up and take us evil liberals head on.

 

[HokieJoe]

HAHA IT WORKED

And by the way, that was hardly psychoanalytical. I mean, it was very basic. I was just asking what your motives are! And how you feel about certain stuff. Is all. See? I care. Yes. I do.

I'm glad I could share with you.

 

[evilromero]

Isn't the real evil empire Africa's leaders who pocket all of the money, drive around in gold plated luxury cars and never give anything back (and certainly don't give two shits about their country)? Or are we not concerned with such things?

If you ask me, giving money is just a losing battle. You need to target the top as well.

 

[Guileless]

Don't disturb the party line on this issue HokieJoe unless you want condescending lectures from people who are so firmly convinced of their moral and intellectual superiority they won't deign to engage in substantive give-and-take. Granted your tone doesn't exactly encourage high-minded debate, but even if you posted the link without editorial comment the results would have been largely the same.

And for everyone lecturing the US government about ignoring African famine and genocide, go watch Black Hawk Down and get back to us. And remember that not only did bin Laden take credit for the deaths of the soldiers there, he specifically used the presence of American troops in Somalia in his litany of American crimes justifying 9/11.

 

[MC Safety]

Isn't the real evil empire Africa's leaders who pocket all of the money, drive around in gold plated luxury cars and never give anything back (and certainly don't give two shits about their country)? Or are we not concerned with such things?

If you ask me, giving money is just a losing battle. You need to target the top as well.

I agree wholeheartedly. Most of the monies donated simply don't reach their intended targets. And that's certainly above and beyond the amounts the charities keep to sustain themselves.

Past the problem of monies being diverted from the people who need it, most of the needy African countries have infrastructures and economies that are wrecked. People simply don't have the tools or the resources to sustain themselves. That issue needs to be addressed as much as immediate aid --food, medical supplies, shelter for the displaced --does.

And now, back to the pissing and moaning about who's more kindly and charitable.

 

[Excess Poo Flakes]

What did you think you would achieve with this thread? Maybe that's the problem with some of you Americans. You want to get worshipped by everyone.

I think a big part of it is to counter the ridiculous amount of amerihate that appears here.

 

[B-B-Bomba!]

I'm an America-hating European summummabitch, and I've had my opinion on this issue altered somewhat. But I still agree with fart.

Can we go now?

 

[stormer]

America is the evil empire all right- yep, that about sums it up. [/SARCASM]

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=730652005

the whole intro to this thread was pretty lame imo.. i mean you can put hundreds of links to prove they are an evil empire .. hah guess it goes both ways. Your sarcasm set the tone for the hate i guess..

 

[HokieJoe]

the whole intro to this thread was pretty lame imo.. i mean you can put hundreds of links to prove they are an evil empire .. hah guess it goes both ways. Your sarcasm set the tone for the hate i guess..

Difference of opinion I suppose. IMO, my tone simply educed what already was there. Like I said, I didn't see the hurt in posting the information. As for the sarcasm, perhaps I could've taken a different tone; but then, I didn't know so many here were thin-skinned.

 

[FightyF]

so conservatives aren't the only ones who can't read. i see.. very interesting. i will tabulate this data and get back you.

Heheh.

HokieJoe: Your original statement was:

"America is the evil empire all right- yep, that about sums it up. [/SARCASM]"

Yet you've been shown to be wrong. It is indeed the Evil Empire. You see, by refering to "Evil Empire" you are refering to the government. The data you've shown shows that the great majority of the contributions are NOT from the government. Secondly, other data posted in this thread show that the US government is among the LOWEST to give aid to Africa.

Thus, your original sarcastic remark doesn't apply. It is a very misinformed comment.

 

[HokieJoe]

Heheh.

HokieJoe: Your original statement was:

"America is the evil empire all right- yep, that about sums it up. [/SARCASM]"

Yet you've been shown to be wrong. It is indeed the Evil Empire. You see, by refering to "Evil Empire" you are refering to the government. The data you've shown shows that the great majority of the contributions are NOT from the government. Secondly, other data posted in this thread show that the US government is among the LOWEST to give aid to Africa.

Thus, your original sarcastic remark doesn't apply. It is a very misinformed comment.

So, an Evil Empire is possible without it's willing participants?

Who knew.

The way the U.S. Constitution is written, the people are the government.

Of course I'm sure some of you will say that this link is old-skool Politburo-style...
but here goes anyway:

http://usinfo.state.gov/usinfo/Archive/2005/Jun/27-261931.html

 

[FightyF]

The way the U.S. Constitution is written, the people are the government.

I know you claim not to be a Republican, but this is Republican logic. This has nothing to do with the fact that your government gives far less aid to Africa than most countries.

The government doesn't spend much on Africa. Many other governments do.

 

[stormer]

I know you claim not to be a Republican, but this is Republican logic. This has nothing to do with the fact that your government gives far less aid to Africa than most countries.

The government doesn't spend much on Africa. Many other governments do.

I am sure the US government still gives tons more than most countries.. just cuz a billion here or there is nothing to them