Lol, $140 billion over, and I could be mistaken, 10 years for the high-risk pools. I believe the estimates would say that $100 billion is needer PER YEAR to make those pools work.
US House votes to adopt AHCA (Republican health care); bill moves to Senate
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Lol, $140 billion over, and I could be mistaken, 10 years for the high-risk pools. I believe the estimates would say that $100 billion is needer PER YEAR to make those pools work.
Finn of Ooo
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This will never become a thing but lawmakers should be forced to use the healthcare they put in place.
LiquidSword
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I believe Nevada also has some bills going through the state congress now to keep essential health benefits and protect those with pre existing conditions. So the states picking up the slack is definitely a possibility.
They are.
The problem is money, States have to have a balanced budget. Shifting an entire industry at the state level is going to require money being pulled from somewhere else be it taxes education funding, infrastructure spending and so on. No one is going to want their economy to take that hit.
Since the Federal government doesn't have those restraints you really want it to be done at that level.
Poodlestrike
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I mean.. They are and they aren't. They stripped the specific protections, but remember, the waivers are state by state. You really think the District is gonna apply?
Escape Goat
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Fuuuuuckkkk....is this from The Knick?
Laevateinn
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Are JPEG compression artifacts a pre-existing condition? Because I think I just caught cancer.
mckmas8808
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Sounds like he's mostly describing the Medicaid funding the state would lose, so yes.
MA would hardly be the only state with that problem; the Medicaid cuts total something like $800 billion over 10 years.
Angelus Errare
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I dunno that strategy has been working out well for conservatives for like ever
I'm going to refer to Patton Oswalt's bit about respecting someone else's beliefs versus simply acknowledging them. Respect is earned, and you absolutely do not have to respect somebody who believes something you think is horseshit.
jimmypython
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It feels more like Paul Ryan and Trump needed a win. But this win is at a cost of many republicans future political careers..
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
He doesn't have to be a magician. He only has to get a bill back to the house.
It's a near certainty that republicans in the freedom caucus aren't going to want to be the only thing standing between the repeal of obama care. Even if it's not cruel enough for their liking they still vote to pass it because not doing so will ruin the wet dream of all republicans. They aren't going to be seen as the group that refused to repeal obamacare. These are the guys that benefit most with their base for repealing.
Honestly the only way to stop this from passing now is to put enough pressure and fear into the GOP that they are going to lose their jobs that most of them decide this isn't the hill they want to die on and back off Obamacare. Their constituents might have originally wanted to repeal the black man's law and further erase the presidency of Obama but now that they know how much it will fuck them they are starting to back off.
Now more than ever is the time to be very loud and obnoxious about this bill. Need to continue to call, show up to town halls, and raise tons of money for Democratic challengers to ALL GOP controlled house seats.
Fox Mulder
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Pod save America said otherwise. Basically the congressional exemption is a separate bit of legislation that cannot be completed under reconciliation, so therefor needs 60 votes in the senate - and it's never getting 60 votes in the senate.
A lot of old pieces of shit in North County San Diego would probably still vote at least Duncan Hunter in, and I've seen some young assholes wearing MAGA hats and Trump shirts. Issa is probably toast though as he only barely won, likely partially because of that Comey shit.
Angelus Errare
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I'm on mobile but I'll drop this here.
I AM CACKLING
I AM CACKLING
Which senator is going to want to go on record as being for the congressional exemption?
I think it's Twilight maybe?
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I AM CACKLING
It's not funny. It's more tragic day by day, and the fact that the administration campaigned on helping those people affected by opiod epidemic are now suddenly turning around and doing more damage is nothing any of us should chuckle about.
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thepotatoman
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Why would democrats filibuster it?
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I AM CACKLING
Sessions is against legal weed and yet this happens? Fucked up.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/860573284462669824
Of course the Australians have better healthcare than we do --everybody does. ObamaCare is dead! But our healthcare will soon be great.
Of course the Australians have better healthcare than we do --everybody does. ObamaCare is dead! But our healthcare will soon be great.
Sho_Nuff82
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Sidewinder
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mmkaay...
He probably wants a burger.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
I think Chris Christie will do the new program honestly. I am okay with that.
He has a staggeringly dim view of his own supporter's intelligence. Luckily for him, he's mostly correct
I mean his statement is a total and utter lie
PandaPandaPanda
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the tweet doesn't have the same tone of his normal tweets (basically no words are in all caps etc) so i'm going to assume it's an aide/staffer and not him directly tweeting
that said, it's not 3am so why is he watching tv mid day
oh right, he doesn't know how to do anything else
Frustrated_me
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What a post, deserves to be reposted.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Joel Was Right
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Can someone explain this to me?
If the Conservative position on healthcare is demonstrably more damaging than the alternatives, yet debates have failed to convince the electorate of this truth, then why not pass their bill and let the public understand this truth during their visit to the A&E?
If the Conservative position on healthcare is demonstrably more damaging than the alternatives, yet debates have failed to convince the electorate of this truth, then why not pass their bill and let the public understand this truth during their visit to the A&E?
I'm on mobile but I'll drop this here.
I AM CACKLING
Gotta funnel money to private prisons somehow.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
They call it 'hillbilly heroin' for a good reason. White rurals ie.. Trump voters.
Is this the new elect Trump for the lulz and to teach people a lesson?
I would rather not irreparably ruin peoples lives in order to teach conservatives a lesson. When is the last time a conservative was convinced of anything at all that opposed their world view. I've been trying for 25 years to convince my conservative family of certain truths and have never succeeded.
Amibguous Cad
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There's more than enough rage to go around. I'm not absolving anyone of anything.
You don't see how coming in a thread about people losing their health insurance, and someone saying "haha, at least it's people who live in [your state] isn't just a little bit shitty? This isn't a game. People are going to die. Lives are going to be upended. I've spent the last twenty four hours mostly talking with people who know shit how I'm going to arrange my life once I can no longer get the care I need.
And if you think it's remotely acceptable to say that it amuses you that the people affected live in states like mine, I don't know what to tell you.
An elderly in his 70s could arguably save much much more by simply dropping dead too. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯djplaeskool
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I'm on mobile but I'll drop this here.
I AM CACKLING
Jesus H Christ.
This is seguing from funny to just profane.
Once again, all that talk, and they will literally kill the agency at the spearhead of combating Opioid abuse. Better build some more prisons I guess.
An elderly in his 70s could arguably save much much more by simply dropping dead too. ¯_(ツ
That wiki portrait.
That's what I thought. People can be offended at the cackle all they want...at a point all you can do is cackle when people keep fucking voting against their best interest.
Facts don't work. Their families losing shit doesn't work. Losing jobs doesn't work. Nothing works to convince these people that republicans don't give a shit about you.
Also...give me a break calling out forum posters on GAF because of their reaction. If an ounce of your ire is directed anywhere other than the policy makers making your lives worse then you're doing it wrong.
Republicans love it when they know you're blaming anyone else about anything because it's the same BS they pull. Blame or point a finger at the person who has nothing to do with your situation being the way it is.
Won't need prisons, just more graveyards.
Angelus Errare
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You're fucked whether or not he says "Oh no" or "Whelp that's what they voted for lol".
Yea it's almost as if republicans really don't give a fuck about poor white people.
I'm cackling because like always, racism ALWAYS ends up fucking over white people eventually.
I'm cackling because the political party who made a pillar of the southern strategy revolve around framing drugs, users, addicts as something happening to "black people" to get America to be for the war on drugs and the resulting apathy towards drug users is the same party who doesn't give a fuck if it happens to white folks either.
It's almost as if the shit black folks have been trying to warn poor white folks about for ages is actually happening. It's almost like...Repubs don't give a damn about white poor folks.
Only difference is now there is no safety net (democrats) that protect them from voting against their own interest and fucking themselves over. Instead of the slow erosion that happens due to republican fuckery while demos are in charge but laying the blame on democrats is no longer a thing. People are going to see that it is republicans who hate their "freedom", and all other abused phrases. Maybe this will make them realize that despite all the gas republicans pump them up with, that these poor white folks are no better in any capacity than black folks, and that these laws are fucked and that republicans do not give a fuck about them.
If only there was another political group who had been advocating to helping these poor folks for at least 15 years...
If only.
Imperfected
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As much as I would enjoy the irony of Republic stronghold all losing their coverage because their states won't/can't afford to pick up the slack, I know their constituents will just keep using it as an excuse to push for abolishing health care altogether. They've sufficiently proven their vote exists only as hateful little mess of spite to lash out at people they perceive as being better off than themselves as it is.
Great...and with no mandate why would a healthy mid 20's person get insurance at all?
Anyone know if there's any CBO estimate timeline?
Do we have confirmation that the Senate can get this through reconciliation? It seems like that shouldn't be the case
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