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[Forward]

End homelessness? End hunger? End narcotics addiction?

Naaah... let's dump $700,000,000,000 into the Banksters' Global Hegemony's Protection Force.

Gotta keep killing those 3rd world brown people, and starve our own homeless to death. Yup. Murika - Land of the Free-Reign Sociopath Billionaires.

 

[Meowster]

Gillibrand coming through with that spotless record.

Shame about everyone else..

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Some of you seem to be reading this as though it is an increase of $700b when that's what the entire budget is.

The $77b increase is a lot of money, but for the US government, not really. Certainly it couldn't pay for single payer



Given that single payer would cost far more than $77b/year and would garner zero Republicam support, you have no point.

How much would it cost per year?

And the idea to not bother trying or support it because the other party won't do it is such utter horse shite, we can skip that for now. It's just a common theme that gaffers love tripping over themselves defending democratic leaders for doing the same shit as republican leaders all the time.

 

[JaggedSac]

So usual Gaf overreaction?

It is certainly annoying that they increased it at all, but yes, this does seem a little bit of an over reaction.

 

[Hierophant]

The US military is a blight on the planet, it has caused so much pain and suffering under the flag of freedom and is pretty much a vehicle for imperialists to rape and pillage less powerful countries, fuck em.

This budget is just signalling their intent to continue this disgusting state of affairs and keep murdering innocents across the world, all in the name of democracy.

 

[Forward]

Almost three quarters of a trillion dollars spent on bombs guns and bullets.

I cannot imagine anything more important.

Spoiler

Hard /s

 

[RPGCrazied]

And this is why they want to cut medicare by like 800 billion, they want it to go to the military.

Screw people's health. Idiots. Its like they want a war.

 

[Forward]

And this is why they want to cut medicare by like 800 billion, they want it to go to the military.

Screw people's health. Idiots. Its like they want a war.

They want to justify murdering the U.S. poor enmass, once the poor finally realize they have nothing left to lose.

Make no mistake, the U.S. military is there to protect billionaires - not me, not you, not the world at large.

 

[ClosingADoor]

The US military is a blight on the planet, it has caused so much pain and suffering under the flag of freedom and is pretty much a vehicle for imperialists to rape and pillage less powerful countries, fuck em.

This budget is just signalling their intent to continue this disgusting state of affairs and keep murdering innocents across the world, all in the name of democracy.

Alternative please? Because that vacuum will be filled by Russia and China, not really attractive options.

US has its problems, and a lot of them. But reactions like this are just as stupid.

 

[Hierophant]

Alternative please? Because that vacuum will be filled by Russia and China, not really attractive options.

US has its problems, and a lot of them. But reactions like this are just as stupid.

I feel justified in these reactions because the US repeatedly did rape and pillage my homeland, killing countless innocents and leaving the country broken, but you can call my opinions stupid I guess because America needs to be World Police and keep destroying third world countries?

 

[Forward]

Alternative please? Because that vacuum will be filled by Russia and China, not really attractive options.

US has its problems, and a lot of them. But reactions like this are just as stupid.

How about a good guy for once?

U.S. Russia China.

Evil is evil is evil.

 

[JettDash]

How much would it cost per year?

And the idea to not bother trying or support it because the other party won't do it is such utter horse shite, we can skip that for now. It's just a common theme that gaffers love tripping over themselves defending democratic leaders for doing the same shit as republican leaders all the time.

A lot more than $77b a year.


And individual Democrats can support whatever they want. Though those that pretend that it is possible to pass single payer right now are outright liars.

 

[mackattk]

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/909924140412538880

also, so much for "The Resistance"

https://t.co/Qyybq6wHFt

This shit should be illegal.

 

[Quixzlizx]

And this is why they want to cut medicare by like 800 billion, they want it to go to the military.

Screw people's health. Idiots. Its like they want a war.

They want to cut Medicaid by $800 billion so they can pass tax cuts for the 1% while only needing 50 votes in the Senate to do so.

So if you're going to get angry over that (and you should), at least get it straight.

 

[JettDash]

This shit should be illegal.

It is impossible to make it illegal for Congresss to fund things how they want

 

[Skellig Gra]

I'm not sure what you guys expect. It's not realistic for them to just lop off 300 billion dollars from one departments budget. If it were to happen at all it would be a very gradual reduction and definitely not when the Republicans control everything.

 

[bplewis24]

Lots of Democrats also voted for this.

Democrats don't claim to be the party of small government, though. And they also aren't trying to lower taxes on the rich while keeping the military budget at the same level.

Not that they are off the hook with this vote. But it doesn't make them hypocrites.

 

[Wamb0wneD]

Wait Elisabeth Warren voted yes? What the fuck?

 

[smisk]

I keep seeing people talking about cutting our defense budget to fund single payer.. $700 billion is a lot of money, but universal healthcare would cost 3-4x that annually, so even if we slashed our defense budget in half we wouldn't come close.
We need other sources of funding, Bernie's new plan has some good ideas.

I've largely come to think of our bloated military budget as a form of welfare.. Aside from active service members it keeps thousands of civilian government employees and contractors (including myself) in bread, no one wants to cut it for fear of losing those jobs.

 

[RPGCrazied]

I'm not sure what you guys expect. It's not realistic for them to just lop off 300 billion dollars from one departments budget. If it were to happen at all it would be a very gradual reduction and definitely not when the Republicans control everything.

They are trying to cut Medicaid/Medicare by 800 billion. That's how they want to pay for it. They don't care about the sick, they just want to amass weapons of mass destruction like North Korea would do.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I feel justified in these reactions because the US repeatedly did rape and pillage my homeland, killing countless innocents and leaving the country broken, but you can call my opinions stupid I guess because America needs to be World Police and keep destroying third world countries?

Which is why I said it had big problems, but at this moment, what is the alternative. I see no nations that are going to be just good, and a power vacuum is going to be filled no matter what.

How about a good guy for once?

U.S. Russia China.

Evil is evil is evil.

Who though, that is the big problem.

But it is true the US military doesn't need this amount of money, it is too much.

 

[Harp]

Isnt this just approving the military budget? Its not dumping an additional 700 billion. This is actually not that much of an increase.

This is what controlling the world with miltary power looks like. North Korea threats America with one nuke and we are ready to go to war. Just imagine a world where we weren't pointing 1,000 of nukes at everyone else.

 

[Fenderputty]

Some of you seem to be reading this as though it is an increase of $700b when that's what the entire budget is.

The $77b increase is a lot of money, but for the US government, not really. Certainly it couldn't pay for single payer



Given that single payer would cost far more than $77b/year and would garner zero Republicam support, you have no point.

Shhh the far left is marking off their purity test bingo cards.

 

[zelas]

Some of you seem to be reading this as though it is an increase of $700b when that's what the entire budget is.

The $77b increase is a lot of money, but for the US government, not really. Certainly it couldn't pay for single payer



Given that single payer would cost far more than $77b/year and would garner zero Republicam support, you have no point.

Yeah, the poorly worded OP isn't helping.

 

[Skellig Gra]

They are trying to cut Medicaid/Medicare by 800 billion. That's how they want to pay for it. They don't care about the sick, they just want to amass weapons of mass destruction like North Korea would do.

Pay for what? This is more or less maintaining the status quo budget year over year. This isn't a hill any member of Congress is going to die on.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

A lot more than $77b a year.


And individual Democrats can support whatever they want. Though those that pretend that it is possible to pass single payer right now are outright liars.

What is a rough estimate that they need annually, I'm genuinely curious.

Your last statement still doesn't take away from what I said at all, it's just a blanket statement.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Pay for what? This is more or less maintaining the status quo budget year over year. This isn't a hill any member of Congress is going to die on.

The 700 billion increase to military spending.

 

[Fenderputty]

What is a rough estimate that they need annually, I'm genuinely curious.

Your last statement still doesn't take away from what I said at all, it's just a blanket statement.

1.4 trillion a year was the estimate for Bernies recent plan. Double the entire military budget for the year

The misleading OP was low hanging fruit for those who desire purity

 

[rjinaz]

End homelessness? End hunger? End narcotics addiction?

Naaah... let's dump $700,000,000,000 into the Banksters' Global Hegemony's Protection Force.

Gotta keep killing those 3rd world brown people, and starve our own homeless to death. Yup. Murika - Land of the Free-Reign Sociopath Billionaires.

Yep. America first! Oh wait...

 

[Tall4Life]

Cant believe Sanders is trying to divide the Democratic Party about not giving 700 billion to the military, smh

 

[CyclopsRock]

The US military is a blight on the planet, it has caused so much pain and suffering under the flag of freedom and is pretty much a vehicle for imperialists to rape and pillage less powerful countries, fuck em.

This budget is just signalling their intent to continue this disgusting state of affairs and keep murdering innocents across the world, all in the name of democracy.

A big part of the seemingly excessive size of US military operations are because it does things that a) either no one else does, or they do on a much smaller scale that benefit everyone and b) don't make headlines, unlike drone strikes. Pax Americana is a real thing, and it's tough to really ascertain how many lives and how much prosperity it's saved by virtue of existing, but in things as diverse as meteorological information to the protection of shipping channels, it does things that other militaries either cannot, or can only do within a very limited sphere.

 

[le.phat]

Gotta protect all those poor, sick, elderly and addicted people from terrorism yo!

 

[5taquitos]

Merkley and Wyden stay fucking winning. I love my state.

 

[ClosingADoor]

The 700 billion increase to military spending.

There is no 700 billion increase here.

 

[Fenderputty]

Cant believe Sanders is trying to divide the Democratic Party about not giving 700 billion to the military, smh

Can't believe the sanderistas refuse to actually make sense of the shitty OP ... oh wait I can

 

[Skellig Gra]

The 700 billion increase to military spending.

It's not an increase it's the total budget

 

[JaggedSac]

The 700 billion increase to military spending.

You are misunderstanding the increase.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Can't believe the sanderistas refuse to actually make sense of the shitty OP ... oh wait I can

Well, I mean they are giving the military $700bn, even if the increase is only $77bn.

 

[matthewuk]

I keep seeing people talking about cutting our defense budget to fund single payer.. $700 billion is a lot of money, but universal healthcare would cost 3-4x that annually, so even if we slashed our defense budget in half we wouldn't come close.
We need other sources of funding, Bernie's new plan has some good ideas.

I've largely come to think of our bloated military budget as a form of welfare.. Aside from active service members it keeps thousands of civilian government employees and contractors (including myself) in bread, no one wants to cut it for fear of losing those jobs.

I don't get why single payer would be so hugely expensive in the US. It costs 120bn to give every one free healthcare in the UK we have a population of 60m so lets factor that up to the size of the US population 323 million so 323/60 is 5.3 x the population. So 120bn x 5.3 is 636bn. What are you guys doing with the 900bn your spending now???

 

[RPGCrazied]

There is no 700 billion increase here.

https://www.murkowski.senate.gov/pr...o-reinvest-in-our-state-and-national-defense-

legislation that authorizes the appropriation of $700 billion to the United States military. The bill boosts our nation's defense capabilities and ensures that our military have the resources and tools needed to protect our nation.

 

[Matt]

The 700 billion increase to military spending.

There is no $700 billion increase. There is a $77 billion increase to the annual military budget.

If you are going to be mad (and that perfectly reasonable), be mad about reality.

 

[Quixzlizx]

https://www.murkowski.senate.gov/pr...o-reinvest-in-our-state-and-national-defense-

I wasn't aware we spent $0 billion on the military last year.

 

[ClosingADoor]

https://www.murkowski.senate.gov/pr...o-reinvest-in-our-state-and-national-defense-

That is no 700 billion increase. That number is the total.

 

[JettDash]

What is a rough estimate that they need annually, I'm genuinely curious.

Your last statement still doesn't take away from what I said at all, it's just a blanket statement.

Like $1.5 trillion/year.

The simple reality of the matter is that it will never happen with Republicans in charge. If you ever want it to even have a shot, I suggest you stop being mad at Democrats for being unable to deliver the impossible and understand that the Republicans are the real enemy.

 

[Fenderputty]

Well, I mean they are giving the military $700bn, even if the increase is only $77bn.

Yes yes, nobody posting "700 billion rawr both sides" has made that distinction. Most couldn't make the distinction between non discretionary spending vs discretionary spending

 

[PdotMichael]

I don't get why single payer would be so hugely expensive in the US. It costs 120bn to give every one free healthcare in the UK we have a population of 60m so lets factor that up to the size of the US population 323 million so 323/60 is 5.3 x the population. So 120bn x 5.3 is 636bn. What are you guys doing with the 900bn your spending now???

People just believe the propganda. The rest of the western world has a functional universal healthcare system and pays far less than the USA right now

 

[rokkerkory]

10% increase in spending yikes

 

[kirblar]

People just believe the propganda. The rest of the western world has a functional universal healthcare system and pays far less than the USA right now

The issue with going to single payer immediately is that you destroy the current health care system. That would be very bad. It has to be a slow and gradual transition as 140m people get insurance via a job.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I don't get why single payer would be so hugely expensive in the US. It costs 120bn to give every one free healthcare in the UK we have a population of 60m so lets factor that up to the size of the US population 323 million so 323/60 is 5.3 x the population. So 120bn x 5.3 is 636bn. What are you guys doing with the 900bn your spending now???

The solution isn't just throwing money at it. We have enormous cost overruns and overcharging at every level of the healthcare system. We have to fix that before single payer is even remotely realistic.

 

[old manatee]

10% increase in spending yikes

It's pragmatic don't worry about it.