US Tarrif's Will Exempt Phones, GPUs, SSDs, servers, and ICs - Even Those Made in China

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Because Geopolitics and global economics are way more important to EVERYONE than gaming.

I could spell it all out, but I'm not wasting my time on you, the ramifications are that obvious.

That guy probably thinks if China invades Taiwan (largest manufacturer of semiconductors in the world) everything will be sweet and doesn't affect him, a guy living in the USA. And that's not even mentioning about the turmoil within East Asia with countries like Japan, S. Korea, and other countries like Australia in the Pacific. Forget to mentioned China has dubiously claimed almost the entirety of the South China Seas which impacts trade within the whole region of East and Southeast Asia, which also will affect the USA.

That guy should go back to console warring instead of trying to talk geopolitics.
 
There is no need to let down his supporters. Just maintain the policy while adding 1000 exemptions. Just announce that we stuck it to those foreigners and won! Problem solved.
 
I am sure Tim Cook had alot to do with this. Guessing anyhow
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It's a fluid situation, so it's to be expected but it's a good thing. The guy could cure cancer and people would still find a way to be unhappy about it.

As I said before it'll be fine, everything always works itself out. 🇺🇸
 
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China may have a totalitarian regime but that doesn't mean we blame them for standing up for themselves to another regime.

The tariffs aren't taking money that China "owes us" as "payback". They just make it impossible to do business here because nobody (here) will want to pay double. He is applying the tariffs for no purpose but leverage. Trump is very similar to some bad dudes I've dealt with in my own life.

Given he is positioning to kill term limits, anything any other country does to box him in is probably positive for the future of the entire world.
 
So just to be clear all consoles are fucked? Didn't MS try to classify their consoles as computers to get around something previously?
 
It's a fluid situation, so it's to be expected but it's a good thing. The guy could cure cancer and people would still find a way to be unhappy about it.

As I said before it'll be fine, everything always works itself out. 🇺🇸
More like curing a cancer that he was also the one who caused it

But anyway. Glad that this stupidity was slightly reverted.
 
So just to be clear all consoles are fucked? Didn't MS try to classify their consoles as computers to get around something previously?

Nothing is that kind of clear. The whole world is sleeping with one eye open. All this could change again in a week.
 
It's a fluid situation, so it's to be expected but it's a good thing. The guy could cure cancer and people would still find a way to be unhappy about it.

As I said before it'll be fine, everything always works itself out. 🇺🇸

This seems to go both ways. There seems to be nothing so he can do that is so bad you wouldn't be happy about it. Internal talks at Fox were that fact-checking would alienate viewers -just on the completely random chance it's your only information source.
 
This seems to go both ways. There seems to be nothing so he can do that is so bad you wouldn't be happy about it. Internal talks at Fox were that fact-checking would alienate viewers -just on the completely random chance it's your only information source.

Because he hasn't done anything that is so bad for me to be unhappy.. Border is closed, pos illegal criminals are being escorted out nicely, men out of women's sports... Not seeing a problem. I'll take all of that if that meant some price hikes.
 
Because he hasn't done anything that is so bad for me to be unhappy.. Border is closed, pos illegal criminals are being escorted out nicely, men out of women's sports... Not seeing a problem. I'll take all of that if that meant some price hikes.

"Price hikes"

Push all our partners who didn't like each other, even Japan and China, to work together to hedge against our unpredictable BS in the future while trashing the economy. Economically, this is like what Putin did strategeically by pushing neutral countries on its border into NATO. Creating the very situation you wished to prevent.

"Illegals being escorted out nicely" you call it "nicely" that we kick out a family man with a wife and kids without due process into a foreign prison while ignoring court orders to reverse it?

Sorry, authoritarianism isn't worth men out of women's sports, as much as I want that. We're acting American on talking points, while being more undemocratic and un-American than ever.
 
Just wait it out. It will resolve itself in time.

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"Price hikes"

Push all our partners who didn't like each other, even Japan and China, to work together to hedge against our unpredictable BS in the future while trashing the economy. Economically, this is like what Putin did strategeically by pushing neutral countries on its border into NATO. Creating the very situation you wished to prevent.

"Illegals being escorted out nicely" you call it "nicely" that we kick out a family man with a wife and kids without due process into a foreign prison while ignoring court orders to reverse it?

Sorry, authoritarianism isn't worth men out of women's sports, as much as I want that. We're acting American on talking points, while being more undemocratic and un-American than ever.

Gotta break some eggs to make an omelet my dude, I'll take that over any fawking thing those fucking insane dems could even muster up. The party of hate, the party of violence... No thanks.

America voted Trump for a reason and I applaud it
 
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China may have a totalitarian regime but that doesn't mean we blame them for standing up for themselves to another regime.

The tariffs aren't taking money that China "owes us" as "payback". They just make it impossible to do business here because nobody (here) will want to pay double. He is applying the tariffs for no purpose but leverage. Trump is very similar to some bad dudes I've dealt with in my own life.

Given he is positioning to kill term limits, anything any other country does to box him in is probably positive for the future of the entire world.
Dude, china has been screwing over every rule of the WTO for as long as it's been in it. Blatant copyright infrigiment, breaking contracts, delivering products way below proper quality (people literally died due to this one), and when people try going after the chinese companies to throw the book at them, they're all but shielded by the CCP.

If theres a country that deserves this kind of unilateral, unreasonable business terms, its china.
 
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Gotta break some eggs to make an omelet my dude, I'll take that over any fawking thing those fucking insane dems could even muster up.

So you'll take killing rule of law and the economy together over coexisting with people who disagree -who might do some bad thing you haven't figured out yet.

That's an awful lot of preemptive moves to prevent something "bad".

Look I get why people liked Trump -but now that we have him, open both eyes. We are literally in act 1 of Revenge of the Sith right now, only he doesn't bother hiding it. He says to your face I'm a dictator. Who waves an American flag for that? You're telling me Harris would do something even worse than abolish term limits? It makes my skin crawl to even mention her, and wish we had it.
 
So you'll take killing rule of law and the economy together over coexisting with people who disagree -who might do some bad thing you haven't figured out yet.

That's an awful lot of preemptive moves to prevent something "bad".

Look I get why people liked Trump -but now that we have him, open both eyes. We are literally in act 1 of Revenge of the Sith right now, only he doesn't bother hiding it. He says to your face I'm a dictator. Who waves an American flag for that? You're telling me Harris would do something even worse than abolish term limits? It makes my skin crawl to even mention her, and wish we had it.

Dude I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion and you can have yours but wow, I mean... That's literally the type of hyperbolic nonsense I hear if I left CNN or msnbc on for 5 seconds and has been the case for years now.. Like man honestly life ain't that bad, go outside, enjoy life and family and games... You're way to deep if that's truly what you're sittin there thinking
 
Dude I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion and you can have yours but wow, I mean... That's literally the type of hyperbolic nonsense I hear if I left CNN or msnbc on for 5 seconds and has been the case for years now.. Like man honestly life ain't that bad, go outside, enjoy life and family and games... You're way to deep if that's truly what you're sittin there thinking

I consume all the news sources. Fox, CNN and in between.

My conclusions come from Trump's behavior itself. I watched his inauguration speech (the longest one ever). I watched his address to congress. I see the things he says and does reported by various news outlets (observing the slant of all).

Trump positioning for another term is factual. It is not made-up. He began planting the seeds late last year. Of course, there is much more you could talk about that is catastrophic, but I'm honing in on the most alarming point of all to sum it all up. We are in deep shit.
 
I consume all the news sources. Fox, CNN and in between.

My conclusions come from Trump's behavior itself. I watched his inauguration speech (the longest one ever). I watched his address to congress. I see the things he says and does reported by various news outlets (observing the slant of all).

Trump positioning for another term is factual. It is not made-up. He began planting the seeds late last year. Of course, there is much more you could talk about that is catastrophic, but I'm honing in on the most alarming point of all to sum it all up. We are in deep shit.

I don't consume leftists trash so that's where we differ, I tired of all their nonsense hoaxes, lies, over dramatic garbage. Every month is a new thing... And not one has denounced the violence towards tesla, look at fucking CA...anything blue is absolutely trash so I would love to see trump for a 3rd term 1000%. The guy gets things done and that is something that left doesn't do anymore.
 
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I don't consume leftists trash so that's where we differ, I tired of all their nonsense hoaxes, lied, over dramatic garbage. Every month is a new thing... And not one has denounced the violence towards tesla, look at fucking CA...anything blue is absolutely trash so I would love to see trump for a 3rd term 1000%. The guy gets things done and that is something that left doesn't do anymore.

As said earlier in the thread, Fox feels that fact-checking alienates viewers. I watch it to understand the full picture. As you may know, they have lost lawsuits for lying.

So using this as your only/primary news source is a self-imposed lobotomy.

It doesn't mean CNN has no slant either. But you're in the deepest darkest slant on the other side with no way out.
 
Dude I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion and you can have yours but wow, I mean... That's literally the type of hyperbolic nonsense I hear if I left CNN or msnbc on for 5 seconds and has been the case for years now.. Like man honestly life ain't that bad, go outside, enjoy life and family and games... You're way to deep if that's truly what you're sittin there thinking

That's the thing- I don't even bother with clips from those networks. They're unreliable trash. Instead, check out even the most sympathetic experts on these moves and they're saying it's sketchy as hell. Most are seeing it worse. Anything i can find that's outright positive is from random crypto guys, highly partisan commentators, or fox news. Which is the same thing as cnn, btw. Just telling an audience what they want to hear.

What blacktron is describing is closer to the prevailing view worldwide than one side of the us political spectrum. At this point, the ones claiming this is the right approach should be offering explanations. (Not that they owe any just to speak their mind, of course.) You could say it's a hard sell.
 
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As said earlier in the thread, Fox feels that fact-checking alienates viewers. I watch it to understand the full picture. As you may know, they have lost lawsuits for lying.

So using this as your only/primary news source is a self-imposed lobotomy.

It doesn't mean CNN has no slant either. But you're in the deepest darkest slant on the other side with no way out.

At 46 I can sit back and decipher where I feel the truth is and when I listen to most on fox it aligns with my thinking. I find it normal to my thought process, how do I deny when someone is saying something that I am personally saying as well?

The left has the lowest approval in forever, many are not good people... They bowed to the far far left and even dems are saying they are in a hole... So that's on them. If they come back to the actual real middle where working class Americans like myself, and actually care about real issues not caring about some 0.1% freak that is mentally ill, I'll absolutely take a listen again but until then I have not a single care what hardly any of them say. It is what it is.
 
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It's funny seeing Liberals now strongly against Tariffs. Go back 15 to even 30 years ago. You will hear Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and even Bernie Sanders of all people. Saying that we needed to enact tougher tariff policies on China. It was Republicans that used to be against them and wanted free trade. Democrats were saying how we were losing jobs to China and our middle class was being destroyed. It sounded very similar to what Trump is saying. But, because he's now saying it. Liberals are like against it. Lol
 
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I don't consume leftists trash so that's where we differ, I tired of all their nonsense hoaxes, lies, over dramatic garbage. Every month is a new thing... And not one has denounced the violence towards tesla, look at fucking CA...anything blue is absolutely trash so I would love to see trump for a 3rd term 1000%. The guy gets things done and that is something that left doesn't do anymore.

I missed the third term part, maybe it was the edit.

Dude. You are literally an Imperial. What you just said is an attack on the Constitution. Basically America's enemy waving an American flag around.
 
I don't consume leftists trash so that's where we differ, I tired of all their nonsense hoaxes, lies, over dramatic garbage. Every month is a new thing... And not one has denounced the violence towards tesla, look at fucking CA...anything blue is absolutely trash so I would love to see trump for a 3rd term 1000%. The guy gets things done and that is something that left doesn't do anymore.
To be fair, hoaxes and lies are primarily devices used by conservatives. What are some "hoaxes" you think the "left" spreads?

Lots of prominent talking heads in the Democratic and Republican parties have denounced the violence against Tesla dealerships and cars. What exactly do you expect to be done? Vandalism to private property is a crime…if you get caught.

Lastly, the "left" has never actually been in power. I think you're referring to centrist liberals, or pretty much all democrats. In terms of governance they don't really get that much done in favor of most people because they don't want to actually shake things up - whereas the conservatives appear to "get stuff done" when in reality most of their policies negatively affect working class people.

Take the tariff shit for example - it just fucked up everyone's retirement savings, including your boomer parents. And if Trump keeps on it, it's going to drive up the cost of pretty much everything you buy from groceries to clothing. That's not a lie or a hoax, it's the next step.
 
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At 46 I can sit back and decipher where I feel my the truth is and when I listen to most on fox it aligns with my thinking. I find it normal to my thought process, how do I deny when someone is saying something that I am personally saying as well?

"My truth" ah yes the feel good 22 year old girl way. There is one way out of this -a devotion to finding the truth.

The left has the lowest approval in forever, many are not good people... They bowed to the far far left and even dems are saying they are in a hole... So that's on them. If they come back to the actual real middle where working class Americans like myself, and actually care about real issues not caring about some 0.1% freak that is mentally ill, I'll absolutely take a listen again but until then I have not a single care what hardly any of them say. It is what it is.

Yes, the left is to blame for creating a situation for Trump to get in. Now that he is in, he is a direct threat to democracy, which is even worse. Maybe you don't care about being undemocratic -gotta break some eggs right? On the scale of American patriotism, I'm gonna put freedom, rule of law and democracy over kicking out woke media and sports rules.
 
"My truth" ah yes the feel good 22 year old girl way. There is one way out of this -a devotion to finding the truth.



Yes, the left is to blame for creating a situation for Trump to get in. Now that he is in, he is a direct threat to democracy, which is even worse. Maybe you don't care about being undemocratic -gotta break some eggs right? On the scale of American patriotism, I'm gonna put freedom, rule of law and democracy over kicking out woke media and sports rules.

It's not funny. If enough people "joke" about it, it could end democracy.

Whats it like waking up being a spaz? Not being a dick just curious
 
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